New podiatry school approved - UT Rio Grande Valley (UTRGV)

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UT System Board of Regents approves proposal for UTRGV School of Podiatry

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First there was a major residency shortage. Now, new residency graduates are entering a tough job market due to saturation. It's shocking that some people think that this is good for the profession. A better solution would be to reduce class sizes at every pod school around the country and hope that the job market slowly improves. It'll never happen because pod schools want all the tuition money they can get. As long as they can get their students to pass the boards and have a 98-100% match rate, they will continue to do what they are doing with no regard of the future of podiatry for young practitioners.
 
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Ridiculous
 
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Harmless needs to stop with this nonsense. Too bad he doesn’t listen to his colleagues
 
I ran into the dean of TUSPM at the ACFAS national. He painted a pretty bleak picture of the profession’s future, applicant pool, applicant quality, etc. The last thing this profession needs is another school. *****ic to even consider the idea.

By the way, what ever happened with the DPM, MD from Chicago who was opening a school to obtain a dual degree?
 
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ExperiencedDPM said:
I ran into the dean of TUSPM at the ACFAS national. He painted a pretty bleak picture of the profession’s future, applicant pool, applicant quality, etc. The last thing this profession needs is another school. *****ic to even consider the idea.

By the way, what ever happened with the DPM, MD from Chicago who was opening a school to obtain a dual degree?
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Ummmm....the dean? Like the guy in charge of 100 new podiatrist a year? Great news....
 
What will this be like for those of us who are in the class of 2024?
 
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Call me crazy, but a few years ago there was a podcast or something I watched of the Temple dean saying - yeah, its bad right now, but Temple at least is still ok - the schools that can't fill their classes should give their spots to me - I can fill them.

How could it get so much worse so quickly! ;)
 
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What will this be like for those of us who are in the class of 2024?
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Unless this new school has a class of 2024 I don't see how it hurts us as far as residency.
 
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Is there a way to stop this school going forward?

I can't get why they think there needs to be another school. If they let it proceed, they should cut seats at other schools with large class sizes that fill their seats with people below 3.0 and below 490 MCAT
 
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de Ribas said:
Is there a way to stop this school going forward?

I can't get why they think there needs to be another school. If they let it proceed, they should cut seats at other schools with large class sizes that fill their seats with people below 3.0 and below 490 MCAT
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The only way to stop this school from opening is to stop Dr. Harkless who is on a power trip.

It does nothing for our profession. It does nothing for the advancement of our profession. It does nothing but continue to pump out more unqualified doctors into an already saturated field.
 
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CutsWithFury said:
The only way to stop this school from opening is to stop Dr. Harkless who is on a power trip.

It does nothing for our profession. It does nothing for the advancement of our profession. It does nothing but continue to pump out more unqualified doctors into an already saturated field.
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Do you think emailing or signing a petition would do any help?
 
more schools opening that we dont need smh. Founders just want money
 
this is such a podiatry thing to get up in arms about. No different than the older pods trying to restrict privileges to younger ones, or offering dog**** associate salaries.

there's plenty of feet out there.

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Do you think emailing or signing a petition would do any help?
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has that ever worked?
 
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GreenHousePub said:
this is such a podiatry thing to get up in arms about. No different than the older pods trying to restrict privileges to younger ones, or offering dog**** associate salaries.

there's plenty of feet out there.
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It is supply and demand.
There is absolutely ZERO justification for this school to open.

If there was a demand, we wouldn't be up in arms about it.

And don't give me that "aging diabetic population" crap.
 
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GreenHousePub said:
this is such a podiatry thing to get up in arms about. No different than the older pods trying to restrict privileges to younger ones, or offering dog**** associate salaries.

there's plenty of feet out there.
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it’s very different from older pods trying to restrict privileges. And do you know why pods can offer awful compensation and still find people willing to work for them?


The largest gathering of job listings for podiatrists is probably (and laughably) PMnews. How many jobs are listed at any given time, 10? 15 at the most? We have double the attrition (at least) of our MD/DO counterparts. 30-40% of new grads can’t pass ABFAS exams/case reviews. I’m not looking to hoard patients from young podiatrists, I’m just trying to get a job that pays more than $100k. Or when one opens up, there isn’t 100 applications within the first 48 hours of posting.

I’m nowhere near “up in arms,” hell I could put out a press release saying the board of my new, for profit online college has decided to pursue offering a DPM degree. It’s nowhere near a reality at this point. But your post was wrong enough that I felt like commenting.

how about this. I’ll support the new school when multiple hospital/MSG jobs go unfilled for years at a time AND when the Ohio school graduates 94% of their incoming freshman class...
 
Reflect back to this article


The goal at the time was to have 10% more residency positions than graduates per year.

First, find a way to ensure 10% more full time positions available than residency grads per year, then talk about increasing the number of graduates per year
 
CutsWithFury said:
The only way to stop this school from opening is to stop Dr. Harkless who is on a power trip.

It does nothing for our profession. It does nothing for the advancement of our profession. It does nothing but continue to pump out more unqualified doctors into an already saturated field.
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I interviewed at Western right before Dr. Harkless left. I was the only one on the interview so I talked to him for a good 3 hours one on one. The whole conversion all he talked about was money.
 
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we need a 1 year residency option for people who don’t want to do surgery. Going 4 years of undergrad + 4 years of pod school + 3 years residency just to make less than $100k with $300k debt. At least let me start paying down debt earlier.

Miserable.

also to the topic at hand. another school? What a joke. Every major city is already saturated.
 
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Osworld said:
we need a 1 year residency option for people who don’t want to do surgery. Going 4 years of undergrad + 4 years of pod school + 3 years residency just to make less than $100k with $300k debt.
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More division is going to create more confusion amongst the general population about what we do. Even worse is the guys who refer to themselves as "Foot and Ankle Surgeons"

I also don't know anyone making that little amount of money.
 
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Osworld said:
we need a 1 year residency option for people who don’t want to do surgery. Going 4 years of undergrad + 4 years of pod school + 3 years residency just to make less than $100k with $300k debt. At least let me start paying down debt earlier.

Miserable.

also to the topic at hand. another school? What a joke. Every major city is already saturated.
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Yea this seems like a win win for everyone involved except for the actual people practicing the profession. It’s a quick money grab on one side and a way to serve (free labor) an underserved area that is difficult to recruit to on the other side.
 
Osworld said:
we need a 1 year residency option for people who don’t want to do surgery. Going 4 years of undergrad + 4 years of pod school + 3 years residency just to make less than $100k with $300k debt. At least let me start paying down debt earlier.

Miserable.

also to the topic at hand. another school? What a joke. Every major city is already saturated.
[/QUOTE(whispers) don't live in a major city

All my friends killing it are in cities less than 250k. And not coastal cities
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Those nursing home jobs pay well. $125k plus for full time.
 
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I work with Crna’s making 200k plus a year. Why in the world are podiatric surgeons paid so low?
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Crappy surgical reimbursements. Medicare paid more for 28296 in 2000 than it does in 2020. When inflation is added, it comes to a more than 50% decline in the amount.
 
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king22 said:
Crappy surgical reimbursements. Medicare paid more for 28296 in 2000 than it does in 2020. When inflation is added, it comes to a more than 50% decline in the amount.
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Excuse my ignorance since I’m just a pre med. Have MD/DO surgical specialities faced a reimbursement decline as well??
 
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Excuse my ignorance since I’m just a pre med. Have MD/DO surgical specialities faced a reimbursement decline as well??
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For medicare? Yes (the fee schedule between MD/DO and DPM are the same for medicare). As for all other insurers, I'd have to say yes
 
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The nursing home jobs you are only working at most 4 hours a day 5 days a week. How many hours are those CRNAs putting in?
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They work 40 hours. Most are on four 10x hour shifts and others work five 8 x hour shifts. You can also work two 24 hour shifts if you want. The cool thing is they get paid to take call and there is always OT available to them which can significantly increase their pay. Seems like an amazing gig I wish I did it.
 
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They work 40 hours. Most are on four 10x hour shifts and others work five 8 x hour shifts. You can also work two 24 hour shifts if you want. The cool thing is they get paid to take call and there is always OT available to them which can significantly increase their pay. Seems like an amazing gig I wish I did it.
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one of the things that sucks about podiatry (and many other medical specialties) is that there is not a linear increase in work/pay. As a CRNA, ED, anesthesia and some others its as simple as picking up extra shifts. Like hey, I need a couple extra grand this month so i can buy something fancy for my spouse, I will work a few more shifts.
 
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GreenHousePub said:
More division is going to create more confusion amongst the general population about what we do. Even worse is the guys who refer to themselves as "Foot and Ankle Surgeons"

I also don't know anyone making that little amount of money.
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Agreed with the above. We do not need any more changes to the 4-years curriculum or the residency years.
What we need is to fix current issues (much of what is stated in this thread) like helping grads finding jobs with fair salaries, educating the public and other healthcare professionals about our current knowledge/scope, and fixing our board examinations to have a standard that is accepted by all.

There is no need for this new school (if it goes through).
 
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I work with Crna’s making 200k plus a year. Why in the world are podiatric surgeons paid so low?
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Because it takes a lot of skill to play on your phone and occasionally move the table up or down. Doing the actual surgery is easy
 
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This is worse than the ACFAS "free- labor" fellowships. Harkless and his schools... I seriously hate this profession.
 
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hematosis said:
This is worse than the ACFAS "free- labor" fellowships. Harkless and his schools... I seriously hate this profession.
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Reading all of these posts is pretty depressing. I was excited to start podiatry school in July, but I am not sure if I am making the right decision.
 
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Dr. Extra said:
Reading all of these posts is pretty depressing. I was excited to start podiatry school in July, but I am not sure if I am making the right decision.
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You’re not. It’s going to get more challenging in the future if we don’t stop the AAOS and AOFAS from taking surgery away from us.

Do a simple internet search for jobs. Look up podiatrist jobs then look up foot and ankle orthopedic surgeon jobs. There are zero jobs for podiatrists promoted on all the job websites and there are numerous foot and ankle orthopedic jobs. Foot and ankle ortho can get any job at any major hospital at any major city they want.

Ortho groups want ortho foot and ankle. That ship has sailed for us. It’s either multi speciality groups or go solo. NEVER work for another podiatrist


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Oh come on.
Podiatry is not perfect but no medical profession is.
Most doctors complain about their field.
A lot of people on here bash the profession but I can assure you many are just as happy as the unhappy people on here.
I am quite happy. In fact I'm crushing it.
Just work hard and I agree dont work for another podiatrist.

....Insert Cuts with fury/jew on this personal slandering attacks against anything positive I post to follow.

Signed the most podiometric Dr. DYK343 DPM, ACFOAM, ASPS, FACFAS, specialist in peripheral nerve surgery, CWS, board certified via the ABPM
 
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Dr. Extra said:
Reading all of these posts is pretty depressing. I was excited to start podiatry school in July, but I am not sure if I am making the right decision.
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look into nursing or PA.
theres a real need for those professions .
 
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