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i doubt 45% increases can be attributed to essay prompts
i doubt 45% increases can be attributed to essay prompts
i doubt 45% increases can be attributed to essay prompts
The late-eighteenth-century popular philosopher and cultural critic George Lichtenberg wrote, "Just as we outgrow a pair of trousers, we outgrow acquaintances, libraries, principles, etc. at times before they're worn out and at times-and this is worst of all-before we have new ones." Write an essay about something you have outgrown, perhaps before you had a replacement-a friend, a political philosophy, a favorite author, or anything that has had an influence on you. What, if anything, has taken its place?
Chicago author Nelson Algren said, "A writer does well if in his whole life he can tell the story of one street." Chicagoans, but not just Chicagoans, have always found something instructive, and pleasing, and profound in the stories of their block, of Main Street, of Highway 61, of a farm lane, of the Celestial Highway. Tell us the story of a street, path, road—real or imagined or metaphorical.
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*grabs schrizto's shovel*
*grabs schrizto's shovel*
well i guess i should help by stopping it instead, but scriz man,
why would you think they have something to hide? theres nothing wrong with attracting more research funding or pumping out students that residency director will like more, is there?
Whut? I still don't get what's going on.
i haven't done error calculations yet
What's April 1st?honestly, i wouldn't have had any idea that they were coming out if i hadn't seen this thread. i DEFINITELY will not be running to that website tomorrow like some eager 12th grader runs to the mailbox on april 1st.
I may not have been as clear as I hoped previously, but to explain, what I mean is that many institutions will do the "easy things" (ie. admit only applicants with ridiculous numbers, not necessarily matriculate them) for the sake of the rankings, in order to "rest on their laurels" so to speak.
I may not have been as clear as I hoped previously, but to explain, what I mean is that many institutions will do the "easy things" (ie. admit only applicants with ridiculous numbers, not necessarily matriculate them) for the sake of the rankings, in order to "rest on their laurels" so to speak.
I think there is a mentality out there, on an individual and institutional level, that tends to "want the glory" the easy way, you know, like people who get those little letters on the end of their name (PhD, etc.) primarily to impress or be perceived as something they are not.
I mean, in terms of day to day life, to each his/her own. Go with it if it makes you happy. But as someone looking for an institution to help me learn how to best serve patients in the future, a ranking is not what I believe will help. It frightens me that any institution would make one of its primary goals to be "high in the rankings." It is one thing if the institution follows great practices in admitting students, training physicians, etc., and completely fine, in my opinion, if they happen to acheive a great ranking as a result of great practices focused on improving the educational model of the school.
It may seem semantics, but as someone who has taught in the classroom, public and private collegiate level, it makes a BIG difference to me.
What's April 1st?
Admit but don't matriculate them? How exactly would a school go about doing that?
Also, I believe the numbers used for US News are of matriculants, not of all those admitted.
I thought, but please feel free to correct me if mistaken, that the rankings are based on the avg. numbers of those admitted, not matriculated. They do that by telling kids with 4.0/40's they are welcomed to attend...and those kids proceed to tell them "nah, I'm going to Harvard."
But there are also ways that institutions have for fudging data, etc. to look good.
the fact is, tho, that prestige attracts applicants, and it is well within the schools' interest to attract the best applicants. perhaps they want the rankings just for vanity's sake, but its hard to argue with the results.
I thought, but please feel free to correct me if mistaken, that the rankings are based on the avg. numbers of those admitted, not matriculated. They do that by telling kids with 4.0/40's they are welcomed to attend...and those kids proceed to tell them "nah, I'm going to Harvard."
But there are also ways that institutions have for fudging data, etc. to look good.
the gpa and mcat is a pretty small part of the formula anyway
I think the data would be extremely flawed if this were the case because then it would be affected by the number of schools an applicant applies to. The MSAR IIRC lists the MCAT and gpa of those accepted, not of matriculants, but the MSAR doesn't rank schools so that is different.
To play devil's advocate, though, if they reject these kids, people would probably just claim that the school is yield protecting and trying to keep their acceptance rate low!I thought, but please feel free to correct me if mistaken, that the rankings are based on the avg. numbers of those admitted, not matriculated. They do that by telling kids with 4.0/40's they are welcomed to attend...and those kids proceed to tell them "nah, I'm going to Harvard."
But there are also ways that institutions have for fudging data, etc. to look good.
US News said:Mean MCAT Score (.13 in the research medical school model, .0975 in the primary-care medical school model) The mean composite Medical College Admission Test score of the 2007 entering class.
Mean Undergraduate GPA (.06 in the research medical school model, .045 in the primary-care medical school model) The mean undergraduate grade-point average of the 2007 entering class.
To play devil's advocate, though, if they reject these kids, people would probably just claim that the school is yield protecting and trying to keep their acceptance rate low!
Anyway, with regards to your earlier post, I mostly agree except that I wouldn't be worried so much about schools "having something to hide" as much as a school prioritizing the wrong things. To make up a ridiculously extreme example, if USNews started including data like "% of graduates who get one of their top 3 residency choices," a school that's majorly concerned with rankings might try to persuade some of their 4th years to rank their residency programs more "realistically" or something (OK, probably too extreme of an example, but hopefully you get my general idea)
US News uses the numbers of the entering class, not of those accepted. It's in their methodology:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/educ...4/22/medical-school-rankings-methodology.html
Schools in general take it pretty seriously. I'm personally interested to see if the prediction of Baylor bouncing back happens now that the rice deal broke down.
Yeah, I only have a very basic understanding of law schools, but I get the sense that most of the "big law" firms recruit at "top" schools for the most part. For med school, though, you can pretty much get into any specialty from any schooland to add to the discussion...it's one thing to think that ranking doens't matter for med school, because were all gonna get m.d.'s and yadda yadda....but the rankings matter so much for B-school and law school.
so people dont need to click...
Top 25 Medical Schools (Research):
1 - Harvard
2 - UPenn
3 - Hopkins
4 - California SF
4 - WUSTL
6 - Duke
6 - Michigan Ann Arbor
6 - Washington
6 - Yale
10 - Columbia
11 - Stanford
11 - UCLA
13 - Chicago
14 - Pittsburgh
15 - Vanderbilt
16 - Cornell
16 - UCSD
18 - Mount Sinai
18 - Northwestern
20 - Case Western
20 - Emory
20 - UNC Chapel Hill
20 - UTexas Southwestern Medical Center
24 - Baylor
25 - Virginia
so people dont need to click...
Top 25 Medical Schools (Research):
1 - Harvard
2 - UPenn
3 - Hopkins
4 - California SF
4 - WUSTL
6 - Duke
6 - Michigan Ann Arbor
6 - Washington
6 - Yale
10 - Columbia
11 - Stanford
11 - UCLA
13 - Chicago
14 - Pittsburgh
15 - Vanderbilt
16 - Cornell
16 - UCSD
18 - Mount Sinai
18 - Northwestern
20 - Case Western
20 - Emory
20 - UNC Chapel Hill
20 - UTexas Southwestern Medical Center
24 - Baylor
25 - Virginia
Things that jump out. UPenn takes over JHU, Mount Sinai rose even more, and Stanford and Baylor especially fell quite a bit.
michigan also jumped a lot. 11 to 6.
I'm not surprised Case is now a top 20. Their match list this year was just frigging ridiculous. Too bad they rejected me ......
what does the match list have to do with ranks....lol
i'll be the first to give the rankings some validation...
I know for a fact Vandy, Pritzker, an Dartmouth take the ranking pretty seriously.
Vandy - they brought it up during second look here and there. They know they didn't accomplish this task: http://www.mc.vanderbilt.edu/reporter/index.html?ID=2041 , but they are still looking to move up
UChicago doesn't like the fact that their medical school is the lowest ranked out of all its grad schools, so the administration is working on moving up the list. Heard this from multiple students during my interview.
Dartmouth - Our new President of the College (Dr. Jim Kim) came in with the mindset that DMS could be a top 15 medical school on USNews...this was a breath of fresh air because the students of the undergrad and med school felt that while the rest of Dartmouth was doing great, the former president didn't really care about the med school.
The rankings, if anything, show trends. A school constantly moving up in the #'s is obviously doing something right. I'm not talking about a measly 1/2 spots, but those that have been making significant improvement over the past few years. Same goes with those on the decline.
now choosing #22 over #30 just cause of the ranking...yea, that's dumb.
i would hope a student admitted to vandy and baylor would be intelligent enough not to factor baylor's financial situation into their decision (how bad is it really? perhaps overblown hearsay?)
it has no impact on a medical student, just like a school banking $100 mil more in NIH money. you arent getting any of the cut!