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$87 pager fee? I didn't know pagers still existed, let alone that they cost $87 :p
 
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The new requirements: 1 year of History, Philosphy OR Fine Arts.
I liked the old ones better :(
 

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Their updated costs page is absolutely frightening.

http://dentistry.usc.edu/doctoral.aspx?id=912&linkidentifier=id&itemid=912&menu_id=258

It even blows NYU out of the water now.
The total tuition for USC is about $270,000 (The 4th year is $47,000 because students take two trimesters on their last year). And the total for NYU is $252,000. However, I think for housing costs, USC has overestimated room and board costs. I think on average the room and board cost should be around $15,000-16,000. By the way, their new website looks good!
 

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The new requirements: 1 year of History, Philosphy OR Fine Arts.
I liked the old ones better :(
They probably apply it next cycle. For this cycle, they already checked our pre-requisite at the end of our interview and they don't need it.
 

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29% of the class earned a degree from one of 7 University of California campuses while less than 1% earned a degree from California State University campuses.


Posted that, quoted directly from the USC website for all of you guys who still have the moniker of "there's no difference in what undergrad you go to". There is, and the proof is in the numbers for multiple schools folks.

 

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The total tuition for USC is about $270,000 (The 4th year is $47,000 because students take two trimesters on their last year). And the total for NYU is $252,000. However, I think for housing costs, USC has overestimated room and board costs. I think on average the room and board cost should be around $15,000-16,000. By the way, their new website looks good!
$20,000 is a big difference. Especially $20,000 over what used to be considered the most expensive school in the nation. I'm considering applying to USC since I have family ties there, but there's no way I'd attend unless I had a military scholarship/or it was the only place I got into.
 

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29% of the class earned a degree from one of 7 University of California campuses while less than 1% earned a degree from California State University campuses.


Posted that, quoted directly from the USC website for all of you guys who still have the moniker of "there's no difference in what undergrad you go to". There is, and the proof is in the numbers for multiple schools folks.

you have no idea what you're talking about...
that statement only means that more people apply from the UC system rather than the CSU system, which makes lots of sense.

Look at the following hypothetical numbers:

total applicants to USC Dental School 4000

UC applicants ~ 2200
Out of State ~ 1500
CSU ~ 300
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I know many people that went from the CSU system to USC (especially USC)... I know of people who have gotten to UCLA, UCSF and Harvard. The amount of applicant is way lower than the UC system, that's why!

Have a good one
 

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you have no idea what you're talking about...
that statement only means that more people apply from the UC system rather than the CSU system, which makes lots of sense.

Look at the following hypothetical numbers:

total applicants to USC Dental School 4000

UC applicants ~ 2200
Out of State ~ 1500
CSU ~ 300
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I know many people that went from the CSU system to USC (especially USC)... I know of people who have gotten to UCLA, UCSF and Harvard. The amount of applicant is way lower than the UC system, that's why!

Have a good one
Why would CSU's have a significantly lower number of applicants than UC's. He does make an assumption that UC/CSU applicant pool is probably similar, but it is an assumption that a logical person COULD come to. Thus, he does have a semblance of an idea of what he's talking about.

In reality, I agree that the numbers do not prove that CSU's are less successful in D school admissions; but it provides a hint that maybe they are.

Also, I think it's been established that undergrad name provides a little help to admissions; especially if you are comparing, for example, Harvard vs. Tennessee State. However, for most of us- it is of minimal importance.
 
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Why would CSU's have a significantly lower number of applicants than UC's. He does make an assumption that UC/CSU applicant pool is probably similar, but it is an assumption that a logical person COULD come to.

In reality, I agree that the numbers do not prove that CSU's are less successful in D school admissions; but it provides a hint that maybe they are.
Devil's advocate: Why would CSU's have an on par number of applicants? People who end up going to CSU's (SPOILER: stereotype coming) don't tend to be as motivated as people who end up at UC's. People who apply to dental school tend to be motivated people, so it would make sense for more applicants to come from the UC system.
 

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Devil's advocate: Why would CSU's have an on par number of applicants? People who end up going to CSU's (SPOILER: stereotype coming) don't tend to be as motivated as people who end up at UC's. People who apply to dental school tend to be motivated people, so it would make sense for more applicants to come from the UC system.
Well, you just provided a valid possible reason on why CSU's would have less applicants. That's more than DDSLA said, who just stated that the guy was talking out of his ass. I'm not taking sides on that one, because we only have anecdotal evidence on the success rate of CSU's.
 

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I feel bad for USC folks. Whenever they open up a new thread, they either get bashed or discussion move to the different direction.:laugh:

Anyway, new web page looks good, and I like the media section. It has number of video's uploaded. I am sure they add more components to the website soon.
 
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$20,000 is a big difference. Especially $20,000 over what used to be considered the most expensive school in the nation. I'm considering applying to USC since I have family ties there, but there's no way I'd attend unless I had a military scholarship/or it was the only place I got into.
As Rose1010 mentioned, both NYU and USC have almost the same prices. You can choose one over the other one because of their PBL or lecture format, but the housing cost in LA is cheaper than NYC and if you go to NYU then $20,000 surplus goes to monthly rents and deposit. But if you are a LA resident and you plan to stay with family, then I guess still USC is cheaper because you don't pay for housing.
 

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Why would CSU's have a significantly lower number of applicants than UC's. He does make an assumption that UC/CSU applicant pool is probably similar, but it is an assumption that a logical person COULD come to. Thus, he does have a semblance of an idea of what he's talking about.

In reality, I agree that the numbers do not prove that CSU's are less successful in D school admissions; but it provides a hint that maybe they are.

Also, I think it's been established that undergrad name provides a little help to admissions; especially if you are comparing, for example, Harvard vs. Tennessee State. However, for most of us- it is of minimal importance.

I go to CSU and out of over 500 bio majors that I know and have talked to ( I work in the Pre-health, med, dent, opt ) office, only about 11 actually applied to dental schools. Many want to apply and simply don't, and many apply to med and opt. I don't know why but I rarely come across pre-dents.
 

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That looks a lot better. The tuition scares me...
 

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"I feel bad for USC folks. Whenever they open up a new thread, they either get bashed or discussion move to the different direction"

They (the SC haters) are just jealous because they don't have red hair. Must be hell having all that pent up envy.
 

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you have no idea what you're talking about...
that statement only means that more people apply from the UC system rather than the CSU system, which makes lots of sense.

Look at the following hypothetical numbers:

total applicants to USC Dental School 4000

UC applicants ~ 2200
Out of State ~ 1500
CSU ~ 300
-------------------------

I know many people that went from the CSU system to USC (especially USC)... I know of people who have gotten to UCLA, UCSF and Harvard. The amount of applicant is way lower than the UC system, that's why!

Have a good one
Don't fault the number of applicants. There are 3-4 times as many CSU campuses as UC's and probably more overall students than UC's combined, yet UC's dominate the applicant and accepted pool. Why? Because school matters, we are more motivated, and more prepared to succeed. I'm not saying you can't end up at Harvard or UCLA after going to a CSU, I am just saying you have more likely of a chance to do so if you go to a better university.

Also, i'll stop hijacking this thread :D
 

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Don't fault the number of applicants. There are 3-4 times as many CSU campuses as UC's and probably more overall students than UC's combined, yet UC's dominate the applicant and accepted pool. Why? Because school matters, we are more motivated, and more prepared to succeed. I'm not saying you can't end up at Harvard or UCLA after going to a CSU, I am just saying you have more likely of a chance to do so if you go to a better university.

Also, i'll stop hijacking this thread :D

10 UCs
23 CSUs
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"I'm not saying you can't end up at Harvard or UCLA after going to a CSU, I am just saying you have more likely of a chance to do so if you go to a better university."

Well, Ofcourse!!! The CSU system is kind of like the People's school rather than UC where you need to have a high GPA, SAT and other stuff to get in.
You're chances go up because there are way more people who are going in that direction (pre-health)...

ps. didn't mean to take it away from the USC system. Oh sir, very sorry. SC for LIFE...
 

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As Rose1010 mentioned, both NYU and USC have almost the same prices. You can choose one over the other one because of their PBL or lecture format, but the housing cost in LA is cheaper than NYC and if you go to NYU then $20,000 surplus goes to monthly rents and deposit. But if you are a LA resident and you plan to stay with family, then I guess still USC is cheaper because you don't pay for housing.
SC is more expensive than NYU based on new SC tuition rates. If you find a roommate at NYC and use the public transportation you can definitely lower the living costs. NYU estimates 25,000 for housing but it can be lowered though. I know friends who go to NYU and pay about 1500/month for their room so the overall cost of housing can be around 15-16k/yr for NYU. SC is still 20k more expensive than NYU. I wonder why they raised their tuition since they are running based on PBL system. Based on their new tuition, I think there is no doubt that NYU is a better choice. NYU offers traditional lectures, lectures are recorded on itunes, and they have a superior website! I am accepted to SC, UPenn and NYU and I plan to submit my deposit for NYU even if I live in northern california and SC was close to home.
 

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SC is more expensive than NYU based on new SC tuition rates. If you find a roommate at NYC and use the public transportation you can definitely lower the living costs. NYU estimates 25,000 for housing but it can be lowered though. I know friends who go to NYU and pay about 1500/month for their room so the overall cost of housing can be around 15-16k/yr for NYU. SC is still 20k more expensive than NYU. I wonder why they raised their tuition since they are running based on PBL system. Based on their new tuition, I think there is no doubt that NYU is a better choice. NYU offers traditional lectures, lectures are recorded on itunes, and they have a superior website! I am accepted to SC, UPenn and NYU and I plan to submit my deposit for NYU even if I live in northern california and SC was close to home.
NYU over Upenn? Interesting
 
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How many people here are actually GOING to USC?
I don't think any body knows for sure how many first round accepted people attend USC, but at this point I don't think many people attend based on what I see on this forum. If California residents who get accepted to NYU or UPenn turn down their USC offer then I guess USC needs to send another full round of acceptances very soon.
 

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USC even raised its tuition from last year:scared::scared: Based on the financial packet that they gave us in our interview session, the second year tuition has been raised from $65,298-->68,562 , third year has been raised from $65,298-->$71,990 , and their fourth year has been raised from $43,532-->$48,250.

USC definitely blows NYU out of water. NYU has not even raised their tuition for last 4-5 years and their tuition is still the same $52,510 even if they have one of the best clinics, and they offer lectures for first two years. I don't know who goes to USC but I think it should be your last last choice! When I went for an interview the financial aid person told us that our total cost of education at USC will be 400,000:scared::scared: but the total cost at NYU was about 340,000-350,000, and I guess the total for UPenn was 335,000!

If USC updates the new numbers, their tuition definitely looks very very scary.
 

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USC even raised its tuition from last year:scared::scared: Based on the financial packet that they gave us in our interview session, the second year tuition has been raised from $65,298-->68,562 , third year has been raised from $65,298-->$71,990 , and their fourth year has been raised from $43,532-->$48,250.
Um... wow

Considering the price and subpar graduation rates, they're going to have a hard time attracting top students. Good thing they have the USC name to rely on.
 
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Um... wow

Considering the price and subpar graduation rates, they're going to have a hard time attracting top students. Good thing they have the USC name to rely on.
omg condoleezarice is going into dentistry now that the bush administration is ending and hilary is taking over?
 

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no one i know of who got accepted into USC wants to attend there.
I guess a new dean needs to make several changes including collecting enough funding so they don't need to raise tuition.
 

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USC will eventually fill their class just fine....its just not many people's first choice, but many people will accept over other schools come the 2nd, 3rd, 4th waves.
 

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PBL is the biggest problem that I decide not to go to USC, but my friend told me that she enjoyed studying there, because it's much easier than undergrad!! how interesting ><...
 

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No wonder they don't graduate their students on time. :rolleyes:
1. This thread took a turn in the wrong direction. :sleep:

2. I'm not sure I understand why you think we don't graduate our students on time? Because of PBL? Because someone thought the curriculum at the dental school was easier than undergrad? Please elaborate.

3. Anyways, I thought the website looked really nice, which was the entire point of this thread.
 

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1. This thread took a turn in the wrong direction. :sleep:

2. I'm not sure I understand why you think we don't graduate our students on time? Because of PBL? Because someone thought the curriculum at the dental school was easier than undergrad? Please elaborate.

3. Anyways, I thought the website looked really nice, which was the entire point of this thread.
Haha. This thread did take a wrong turn somewhere. Cool site!
 

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This thread veered off wrongly in a few ways lol....like someone mentioned above...all threads with the words "USC" in them will. Poor PBL....who knows maybe 20 years down the line PBL will be the norm and all the USC folks graduating these days will have the last laugh.
 

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PBL is going out the window at usc, they will be changing a lot of things
 

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This thread veered off wrongly in a few ways lol....like someone mentioned above...all threads with the words "USC" in them will. Poor PBL....who knows maybe 20 years down the line PBL will be the norm and all the USC folks graduating these days will have the last laugh.
PBL is a wonderful adjuct and good will come of this 'experiment' that USC did with PBL only.

The med schools use lots of PBL so it isn't just USC 'idiots' trying to give out low cost education at high prices....hey that's a similar model to most denture mills....

I bet if USC was half the price, everyone would be fighting to get in! Who wouldn't want all that PBL time to self study? Self study was my entire first year of dental school and I only got night time hours to do it..... :(
 

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"The DMD Curriculum is presented in a problem-based approach in which concepts are mastered through group discussion and analysis of real-patient cases."

This is the description of Harvard's curriculum. Nobody seems to be ragging on Harvard for having PBL. Obviously pure PBL which was tried at USC modeled after Vancouver's PBL program had problems. The education model will be modified, but PBL in concept is still valid. Graduate education is essentially PBL where the group is fellow residents and the real-patient cases are real patients. There just needs to be more guidance for the foundation of didactics underlying the PBL. Harvard however only charges $38,000 for their PBL, but they have NO pre-clinical dentistry. There are no hand skill courses for the two years of the PBL. I think this is where the difference is in the tuition, having PBL plus preclinical dentistry is expensive. You people should look carefully at the curriculums and see what is really there. There is no standard format or formula for dental school. Some people will flourish in a PBL format, others will wither. The Best and the Brightest are usually up to the challenge. But it does depend upon you own personal learning style and where you would be comfortable. So know thyself and choose wisely.
 

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"The DMD Curriculum is presented in a problem-based approach in which concepts are mastered through group discussion and analysis of real-patient cases."

This is the description of Harvard's curriculum. Nobody seems to be ragging on Harvard for having PBL. Obviously pure PBL which was tried at USC modeled after Vancouver's PBL program had problems. The education model will be modified, but PBL in concept is still valid. Graduate education is essentially PBL where the group is fellow residents and the real-patient cases are real patients. There just needs to be more guidance for the foundation of didactics underlying the PBL. Harvard however only charges $38,000 for their PBL, but they have NO pre-clinical dentistry. There are no hand skill courses for the two years of the PBL. I think this is where the difference is in the tuition, having PBL plus preclinical dentistry is expensive. You people should look carefully at the curriculums and see what is really there. There is no standard format or formula for dental school. Some people will flourish in a PBL format, others will wither. The Best and the Brightest are usually up to the challenge. But it does depend upon you own personal learning style and where you would be comfortable. So know thyself and choose wisely.
As a predent and someone who plans to enter dental school next year, I can tell you that I am open to learn concepts in a PBL format. What bothers me is the fact that USC raised its tuition significantly within a year to $75,000/yr (not including hosuing costs and expenses) and now seems the most expensive dental school in the nation! And it creates more uncertainty when we hear all different sort of complains from USC students on the forum with regard to the clinic. I think some of these issues can be resolved if USC admissions let students to be interviewed by faculty at USC so at least some of these concerns can be answered by faculty or dean of dental school. I don't think even Admission staff did enough to present USC in my interview session. I wish I could ask some of my questions directly from dean or faculty members instead of listening for one hour to director of admissions, and even he could not make a convincing case for PBL and their graduation rate!
 
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