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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by Jon Davis, Jun 19, 2002.

  1. Jon Davis

    Jon Davis I killed the bank.

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    Hi, I'm a Canadian citizen currently going to an American university on a student visa. Do I have a viable chance to even apply there (with my Canadian citizen status)? What types of credentials do I really need? I've read what they have written on the web site, but I want to know the "nitty gritty" of what it really takes to be a contender and possibly get in. If you need more info. on me, I will be around to add more posts to this thread.

    Thanks.
     
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  3. Ryo-Ohki

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    The medical school?

    .0000000000000001%

    california medical schools usually favor in-state residents.
     
  4. Procrastinator

    Procrastinator Senior Member

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    Read the thread on UCLA's Waitlist Club and see if you really want to be subjected to the purgatory of waiting that their admissions committee has subjected so many of us to.
     
  5. Jon Davis

    Jon Davis I killed the bank.

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    Thanks for the honest replies.
     
  6. sluox

    Physician

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    Just to reiterate, you do have a chance, albeit smaller, if you had a greencard as a non Cali resident. However, in your case where you are a pure unalterated international student, I do believe the policy is against you. University of California schools I believe don't accept intl's AT ALL. However, every year some exceptional kids slip through the cracks at some other schools (i.e. USC or Stanford). Check USNEWS for statistics on international students.

    My recommendation is to somehow get a greencard (either get married or get a job) and then apply. Or you can go to a Canadian medical school and apply for a US residency. I believe Canadians participate in the same match system and are not counted unfavorably.
     
  7. Mr.D

    Mr.D insipidus maximus

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    Jon,

    I would suggest calling the admissions office directly and see what they tell you. They indeed favor California residents (not necessarily California students) and exceptionally qualified out of state residents. Let us know what they say. :D
     
  8. Doctora Foxy

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    Jon Davis was my interviewer's name at UF, but he spelled Jon with an h <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
  9. Jon Davis

    Jon Davis I killed the bank.

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    Hey Sluox, I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion about obtaining a green card. I do have about 3 yrs of undergrad left and maybe SOMEHOW I can get one within that time frame. I know about the green card lottery and I am qualified to enter in it, but its a huge long shot to be actually chosen. Who knows right? I acutally want to get a hold of an immigration lawyer soon and go through my options.
    However, Aesculapian made a valid point to call the office and just see what happens. I will try that and see what happens but judging by the UCLA waitlist thread, they are a busy bunch there.

    I understand that I have to be an exceptional student, but what credentials qualify an applicant to be an exceptional applicant?
    Thanks.
     
  10. tBw

    tBw totally deluded

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jon Davis:
    <strong>Hey Sluox, I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion about obtaining a green card. I do have about 3 yrs of undergrad left and maybe SOMEHOW I can get one within that time frame. I know about the green card lottery and I am qualified to enter in it, but its a huge long shot to be actually chosen. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Are you sure you can get a green card through the lottery? I couldn't find this years eligibility list but Canada has been on the exclusion list for the last 5 years. This is from the US State dept web site:

    WHO IS NOT ELIGIBLE?

    Persons born in "high admission" countries are, in most instances, not eligible for the program. "High admission" countries are defined as those from which the United States has received more than 50,000 immigrants during the last five years in the immediate relative, family and employment preference categories. Each year, the INS adds the family and employment immigrant admission figures for the previous five years, to identify the countries that must be excluded from the annual Diversity Lottery. Since there is a separate determination made prior to each lottery entry period, the list of countries that do not qualify is subject to change each year.

    For DV-2003, the "high admission" countries are: Canada, China (mainland born), Colombia, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Haiti, India, Jamaica, Mexico, Pakistan, the Philippines, South Korea, the United Kingdom and dependent territories, and Vietnam. Persons born in Hong Kong SAR, Macau SAR, Taiwan, and Northern Ireland are eligible to apply for the DV-2003 lottery.
     
  11. tBw

    tBw totally deluded

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    If you wish to get a green card you should talk to an immigration attorney as soon as possible. The length of time varies but I did it through employment and faced deportation twice and the whole process took 5 years to complete. It can take a long time so don't delay too long if you are seriously thinking about it. One resource you may find useful is the web site <a href="http://www.immigration.com" target="_blank">www.immigration.com</a> which has a large FAQ about immigration.

    Good luck, it's a horrible process.
     
  12. Explosivo

    Explosivo blah!

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    UCLA gives NO PREFERENCE TO STATE RESIDENTS OF CALIFORNIA. This is according to their admissions website:

    "Residence: No preference is given to state of residence. However many applicants come from California. Acceptees from California are more likely to matriculate at UCLA. Out of 145 freshman, 85 percent were from California."

    <a href="http://www.medstudent.ucla.edu/admiss/admreq.htm#prereq" target="_blank">UCLA Admissions Pre-Reqs</a>

    As for int'l students, I don't know.
     
  13. Bikini Princess

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Explosivo:
    <strong>UCLA gives NO PREFERENCE TO STATE RESIDENTS OF CALIFORNIA..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This may be their public stance, Explosivo. And it's interesting that acceptances for in-state residences are almost the same % as out of staters. But almost all schools give a mild favoritism to in-state residents, since they want their students to come back to practice. It's interesting, I always thought of the UC's as pretty much in-state schools, I guess I've been wrong.
     
  14. apocalypse3678

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    hey boy wonder,
    wasup man? i would like to know how did you obtain a green card "through employment". from the posts that i read here the best way is to get married but if employment is an option i would like to know how did you go about doing it. let me know please and i think this posts is very crucial and significant to those who are trying to get into med school as residents since we will not be looking down the barrel of a gun when we have to pay full tuition without having the chance to apply for loans like everyone else. thanks alot.
    me
     
  15. none

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    California doesn't have a problem getting physicians to the state. CA has a problem getting them to the Central Valley, but that's another thread... LA and SF don't have much of a preference for in-staters, but the other UCs do.
     
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  17. paean

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    I have always heard that most medical schools in the US don't consider Canadians as international applicants, but put them on the same footing as US citizens. Do I have proof? No, it is something I learned and had reinforced long ago, so I can't cite my source. As for the comment about USC and Stanford accepting international students, they are private, totally unrelated to the UC system, and make their own rules, which I believe at least in Stanford's case explicitly allow international students (no slipping through the cracks necessary). But most of my post is hearsay. :p
     
  18. moo

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    Jon, I applied to UCLA this year as a Canadian. I got a secondary (and yes, even this year they screened for secondaries) but no further. I don't believe they discriminate against Canadians but I do believe that it is exceptionally hard to get in. Don't apply unless your GPA is above 3.8 and MCAT is at least 33 with double digits on all sections.
     
  19. Jon Davis

    Jon Davis I killed the bank.

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    So if I am not discriminated against, I have to be an exceptional student. What credentials qualify one to be an exceptional student?
     
  20. Jon Davis

    Jon Davis I killed the bank.

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    P.S.
    I sent you a private message Moo.
     

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