Haha, thank you! My family actually make that reference a lot since they watched the show. Best of luck to you in your pursuits as well!Congratulations Doogie!(If that joke went over your head you now know how old I am!) Congratulations on your accomplishment and your own unique story. I hope you'll find a lot of joy pursuing the field!
. I don't think I ever considered that I wouldn't be settled with someone, maybe married, maybe with a kid, by the time I was 40. But things just didn't work out that way...and I feel differently about having kids now, and thats ok. Its all good, I've been having fantastic adventures and travels etc over the past few years, I have had relationships, I have amazing friends and family, and I guess the above mentioned (not really loved) career, and I consider myself very very lucky. So go ahead, the rest will figure itself out and the right person will come along, if thats what you would like, when its supposed to! .. 
Hello!! Welcome to the active SDN crew! You'll find that much like the majority of vet folks here, we are a welcoming sort. This includes in real life, so don't be afraid to apply to shadow with having some life under your belt. There are many non trads in this modern world pursuing this career, and I've always found clinics welcome all. If you listen and learn, age will never be a factor.Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster here... So delighted to see this as a new dedicated thread! I think I have read every section of every thread written about non trad applicants in the last ten years or so
Saw a quick pop up from @LetItSnow there early. Sir, I have read a LOT of your posts lol... that sounds very stalker-ish. It was really that you were one of the non trads that came from an unrelated career, similar in age, and your posts were so helpful, so thank you.
So, I currently work in finance/tax... for like 16 years, and I just turned 41. I have a very successful career by 'normal' measures.. but I've been dreaming about pursuing a second career in vet med for many years now (and like many, it was my growing up career choice). A good friend who originally went to med school in the Caribbean was pushing me to properly look into it over drinks about 3/4 years ago..as I confessed what I spent my spare time looking into in secret... her words 'just do it, dude', you'll be done before you know it. And now look, in theory I actually could be nearly done-ish! I say that flippantly, not nearly that simple of course I understand... pre-reqs, experience, actually getting in etc etc etc. And for me, honestly, a healthy dose of 'I couldn't possibly do anything as mental as that' FEAR. ie. giving up a lucrative career, to not earn anything for four years at least (in fact the opposite), to start again in a brand new career that will never ever pay me the same. Pls don't get me wrong, I'm not all about the salary, at all, by any means, I'd happily give it up to be a vet...but I do find comfort as a single person in knowing I can save to support myself growing old...and it's a scary thought to risk that. But is it scarier to just keep plodding on, tolerating my working life, wondering, what if?
So I decided when I turned 40 last year, that reading about this would not solve anything.. and early this year, in 2020, I applied to Uni, and I just finished my first Bio class, whilst still working my FT finance job. I was hoping to get some vet shadowing experience over the past summer, but I felt stuck with Covid. So this year, as I continue taking classes, I'll bite the bullet and look for shadowing. Anyone feel a bit embarrassed asking to shadow at this age? I guess I'm just afraid of the reaction I might get...of people thinking I'm a crazy lady...
Maybe I don't get there with this, maybe I reconsider after some proper shadowing (because I do understand I that I can't really know I want this for sure until I do plenty of shadowing), maybe I discover another passion along the way as I learn new things... the evolution / genetics has been pretty cool.. (I did bio / chem in high school a billion years ago, but these are my first uni level courses) ...we will see, I see no waste in any education regardless.
But one thing I will offer after reading this full thread... re people worrying about losing time to not finding relationships, settling down, having kids etc.. let me just say.... I'm not discounting the time and focus that vet med takes, but remember there are really no guarantees in life. If you don't go for what you want, life will still pass, and you may not meet that person, or have kids, in that planned timeframe. Sorry, that sounds awful, but I mean it in the nicest way and without any bitterness I swear!
Anyhow, if I figure all this out.. and take another two years to finish pre-reqs, I could be starting at 43/44... will I be brave enough to stay the course down this road?! We shall see. I'm excited for everyone on this journey anyway, and wish everyone the best, Ill be cheering along!
Also, this is ridiculously long... thank you to anyone who reads this far. Fair play to you
Hi! I'm 37, and I'll be 41 when I finish vet school (if I get accepted this cycle). Reading your post made me think of "Mindshift" by Barbara Oakley. It highlights the experiences of very successful people who were afraid to change career paths. I will try to keep this short. About four years ago, I chose to pursue vet med instead of pursuing a career in aviation. I have had my pilot's license since I was 19. I love flying, but medicine has always been my passion. I have a farm, and taking care of my livestock revived my interest in becoming a doctor. At first, I thought I was too old to go to college, but my husband encouraged me to pursue my dream. As he says, I have been his cheerleader and support system throughout his dream career (he is an EMS helicopter pilot, hence the influence in aviation, Lol), and it is his turn now. We are fortunate to have a lot of freedom because we chose not to have children. Anyway, I'll be graduating in May with a B.S (VHS), which is exciting. This academic career hasn't been easy, and I know the hardest is yet to come, but I haven't looked back, and I know it'll be worth it! cheering along for you too!Hi all, long time lurker, first time poster here... So delighted to see this as a new dedicated thread! I think I have read every section of every thread written about non trad applicants in the last ten years or so
Saw a quick pop up from @LetItSnow there early. Sir, I have read a LOT of your posts lol... that sounds very stalker-ish. It was really that you were one of the non trads that came from an unrelated career, similar in age, and your posts were so helpful, so thank you.
So, I currently work in finance/tax... for like 16 years, and I just turned 41. I have a very successful career by 'normal' measures.. but I've been dreaming about pursuing a second career in vet med for many years now (and like many, it was my growing up career choice). A good friend who originally went to med school in the Caribbean was pushing me to properly look into it over drinks about 3/4 years ago..as I confessed what I spent my spare time looking into in secret... her words 'just do it, dude', you'll be done before you know it. And now look, in theory I actually could be nearly done-ish! I say that flippantly, not nearly that simple of course I understand... pre-reqs, experience, actually getting in etc etc etc. And for me, honestly, a healthy dose of 'I couldn't possibly do anything as mental as that' FEAR. ie. giving up a lucrative career, to not earn anything for four years at least (in fact the opposite), to start again in a brand new career that will never ever pay me the same. Pls don't get me wrong, I'm not all about the salary, at all, by any means, I'd happily give it up to be a vet...but I do find comfort as a single person in knowing I can save to support myself growing old...and it's a scary thought to risk that. But is it scarier to just keep plodding on, tolerating my working life, wondering, what if?
So I decided when I turned 40 last year, that reading about this would not solve anything.. and early this year, in 2020, I applied to Uni, and I just finished my first Bio class, whilst still working my FT finance job. I was hoping to get some vet shadowing experience over the past summer, but I felt stuck with Covid. So this year, as I continue taking classes, I'll bite the bullet and look for shadowing. Anyone feel a bit embarrassed asking to shadow at this age? I guess I'm just afraid of the reaction I might get...of people thinking I'm a crazy lady...
Maybe I don't get there with this, maybe I reconsider after some proper shadowing (because I do understand I that I can't really know I want this for sure until I do plenty of shadowing), maybe I discover another passion along the way as I learn new things... the evolution / genetics has been pretty cool.. (I did bio / chem in high school a billion years ago, but these are my first uni level courses) ...we will see, I see no waste in any education regardless.
But one thing I will offer after reading this full thread... re people worrying about losing time to not finding relationships, settling down, having kids etc.. let me just say.... I'm not discounting the time and focus that vet med takes, but remember there are really no guarantees in life. If you don't go for what you want, life will still pass, and you may not meet that person, or have kids, in that planned timeframe. Sorry, that sounds awful, but I mean it in the nicest way and without any bitterness I swear!
Anyhow, if I figure all this out.. and take another two years to finish pre-reqs, I could be starting at 43/44... will I be brave enough to stay the course down this road?! We shall see. I'm excited for everyone on this journey anyway, and wish everyone the best, Ill be cheering along!
Also, this is ridiculously long... thank you to anyone who reads this far. Fair play to you
Your word is law. Your self worth depends on it. 98% of the population will drift through life doing what they're "supposed to." Unfulfilled, dissatisfied. What people think of your goals or dreams is their business. What brings you joy and a sense of purpose is yours. There are plenty of hospitals and clinics that will be delighted to have a mature, willing learner under their roof. Try your hand at all kinds--they can be wildly different. A solo practice, a mobile vet, a 5 doctor hospital, an emergency or specialty facility, a wildlife center..there are so many things to try and it's a lot of fun finding out what suits you best. You're going to get older whether you pursue the dream or not. I'm 37 and hope to graduate at 42..I'm right there with youHi all, long time lurker, first time poster here... So delighted to see this as a new dedicated thread! I think I have read every section of every thread written about non trad applicants in the last ten years or so
Saw a quick pop up from @LetItSnow there early. Sir, I have read a LOT of your posts lol... that sounds very stalker-ish. It was really that you were one of the non trads that came from an unrelated career, similar in age, and your posts were so helpful, so thank you.
So, I currently work in finance/tax... for like 16 years, and I just turned 41. I have a very successful career by 'normal' measures.. but I've been dreaming about pursuing a second career in vet med for many years now (and like many, it was my growing up career choice). A good friend who originally went to med school in the Caribbean was pushing me to properly look into it over drinks about 3/4 years ago..as I confessed what I spent my spare time looking into in secret... her words 'just do it, dude', you'll be done before you know it. And now look, in theory I actually could be nearly done-ish! I say that flippantly, not nearly that simple of course I understand... pre-reqs, experience, actually getting in etc etc etc. And for me, honestly, a healthy dose of 'I couldn't possibly do anything as mental as that' FEAR. ie. giving up a lucrative career, to not earn anything for four years at least (in fact the opposite), to start again in a brand new career that will never ever pay me the same. Pls don't get me wrong, I'm not all about the salary, at all, by any means, I'd happily give it up to be a vet...but I do find comfort as a single person in knowing I can save to support myself growing old...and it's a scary thought to risk that. But is it scarier to just keep plodding on, tolerating my working life, wondering, what if?
So I decided when I turned 40 last year, that reading about this would not solve anything.. and early this year, in 2020, I applied to Uni, and I just finished my first Bio class, whilst still working my FT finance job. I was hoping to get some vet shadowing experience over the past summer, but I felt stuck with Covid. So this year, as I continue taking classes, I'll bite the bullet and look for shadowing. Anyone feel a bit embarrassed asking to shadow at this age? I guess I'm just afraid of the reaction I might get...of people thinking I'm a crazy lady...
Maybe I don't get there with this, maybe I reconsider after some proper shadowing (because I do understand I that I can't really know I want this for sure until I do plenty of shadowing), maybe I discover another passion along the way as I learn new things... the evolution / genetics has been pretty cool.. (I did bio / chem in high school a billion years ago, but these are my first uni level courses) ...we will see, I see no waste in any education regardless.
But one thing I will offer after reading this full thread... re people worrying about losing time to not finding relationships, settling down, having kids etc.. let me just say.... I'm not discounting the time and focus that vet med takes, but remember there are really no guarantees in life. If you don't go for what you want, life will still pass, and you may not meet that person, or have kids, in that planned timeframe. Sorry, that sounds awful, but I mean it in the nicest way and without any bitterness I swear!
Anyhow, if I figure all this out.. and take another two years to finish pre-reqs, I could be starting at 43/44... will I be brave enough to stay the course down this road?! We shall see. I'm excited for everyone on this journey anyway, and wish everyone the best, Ill be cheering along!
Also, this is ridiculously long... thank you to anyone who reads this far. Fair play to you
GO FOR IT.
I'm in a post-bacc pre-med program with student generally in their mid-late twenties..they think I am the same age. I do not correct them lolThank you all so much for your kind words and support! Means a lot to wake up to those messages on Christmas eve...so happy holidays all
@angelrose315 that book sounds like a great read, thanks... I just checked it out and the blurb speaks of dealing with Imposters Syndrome, and advancing age... ha, check annnnd check.
Congratulations on your impending graduation, thats fantastic, very exciting times ahead for you.
@Lupin21 and @Cassafrass thank you for your feedback also... definitely helps. There's a few clinics I know quite well just from being a client with my bulldog, so Ill get that list going and look further afield as well...I've been stalking a wildlife centre also... so time to stop the incessant lurking, and start asking!
Got another Bio course starting Jan as well... so study head back on. It was actually a lot of fun going back, and I got over the feeling old there too, albeit it was online...I still had group projects and small labs. Don't think my group mates have two twigs what age I was, I had the benefit of being able to whip us up PPT's in work hours no prob.
We're only as old as we feel I'm glad you're enjoying your studies so far--it certainly is rejuvenating to me!
So, I currently work in finance/tax... for like 16 years, and I just turned 41. I have a very successful career by 'normal' measures.. but I've been dreaming about pursuing a second career in vet med for many years now (and like many, it was my growing up career choice). A good friend who originally went to med school in the Caribbean was pushing me to properly look into it over drinks about 3/4 years ago..as I confessed what I spent my spare time looking into in secret... her words 'just do it, dude', you'll be done before you know it. And now look, in theory I actually could be nearly done-ish! I say that flippantly, not nearly that simple of course I understand... pre-reqs, experience, actually getting in etc etc etc. And for me, honestly, a healthy dose of 'I couldn't possibly do anything as mental as that' FEAR. ie. giving up a lucrative career, to not earn anything for four years at least (in fact the opposite), to start again in a brand new career that will never ever pay me the same. Pls don't get me wrong, I'm not all about the salary, at all, by any means, I'd happily give it up to be a vet...but I do find comfort as a single person in knowing I can save to support myself growing old...and it's a scary thought to risk that. But is it scarier to just keep plodding on, tolerating my working life, wondering, what if?
So I decided when I turned 40 last year, that reading about this would not solve anything.. and early this year, in 2020, I applied to Uni, and I just finished my first Bio class, whilst still working my FT finance job. I was hoping to get some vet shadowing experience over the past summer, but I felt stuck with Covid. So this year, as I continue taking classes, I'll bite the bullet and look for shadowing. Anyone feel a bit embarrassed asking to shadow at this age? I guess I'm just afraid of the reaction I might get...of people thinking I'm a crazy lady...
Maybe I don't get there with this, maybe I reconsider after some proper shadowing (because I do understand I that I can't really know I want this for sure until I do plenty of shadowing), maybe I discover another passion along the way as I learn new things... the evolution / genetics has been pretty cool.. (I did bio / chem in high school a billion years ago, but these are my first uni level courses) ...we will see, I see no waste in any education regardless.
But one thing I will offer after reading this full thread... re people worrying about losing time to not finding relationships, settling down, having kids etc.. let me just say.... I'm not discounting the time and focus that vet med takes, but remember there are really no guarantees in life. If you don't go for what you want, life will still pass, and you may not meet that person, or have kids, in that planned timeframe. Sorry, that sounds awful, but I mean it in the nicest way and without any bitterness I swear!
Anyhow, if I figure all this out.. and take another two years to finish pre-reqs, I could be starting at 43/44... will I be brave enough to stay the course down this road?! We shall see. I'm excited for everyone on this journey anyway, and wish everyone the best, Ill be cheering along!
Also, this is ridiculously long... thank you to anyone who reads this far. Fair play to you
Welcome and congratulations!! I'm so glad you're following your dreams, I'll be 38 in February and we're going to get older whether we follow the dream or not..one precious human life...important to make it count!!
That is so cool! Do you have a business page or social media we can follow to support? I also was accepted to Midwestern last year but ultimately withdrew my seat due to the high cost of tuition. Good luck with your interview next month! In-state tuition is the way to go for sure.
One of my first GDV surgeries, I offered referral to our surgeon vs having me cut it (at the time there was a significant cost difference, so some people went one way, some went another). The couple looked at me and said "well, I'm sure you know what you're doing" with a clear gosh-you-look-old-and-experienced connotation. I wasn't about say "nope, not one bit, only done this a few times."
I still have to convince people I'm in my late 30's, if they see me. One of the nicer things in my opinion for myself about telephone/curbside is my looks are taken out of the equation.A bit, but my personal experience was this: So long as you're interested, personable, and willing to do the grunt work, people - on average - take you seriously. And sometimes it makes it easier to get opportunities because people assume you're more 'serious' than they might someone younger (that isn't fair to the younger person, but ... it is what it is). If you give off a vibe that you think you deserve to advance more quickly just because you're older, that probably won't fly.
It is a little awkward feeling, especially later in vet school during things like rotations when you're older than the interns or residents or even staff who are teaching and grading you, but if you use body language and whatnot to communicate that you respect their expertise and want to learn from them, people get over it quick.
At the end of the day, similar interests and excitement to learn bring people together more than age drives people apart.
It can be a bit lonely in vet school as someone significantly older. I'm not talking about most people who call themselves 'non-traditional' who are 26 or 28 or something like that. There are so many of those it's normal. But doing vet school in your late 30s or 40s puts you as one of the oldest couple students in your class. People will certainly work with you, study with you, etc., but part of vet school is social circles - just like jr high, high school, and college - and when it comes to that you just won't fit in as well. Not in a bad way, like people shun you or anything. Just .... you don't naturally cycle into many of the social groups that form.
One bonus to being older - when you get out into practice, people (clients) automatically assume you have more experience.
I always thought this must be so difficult for grads in med or vet med.. I mean, I felt a little intimidated in my early working years by our clients and some of my peers..everyone just seemed so 'adult' to me. But that was just business stuff... it must be a million times harder with the stress, emotions and stakes involved with medicine!
Thanks, yes I would imagine so. I don't think this would bother me at all...we're in such a different stage of life, and thats ok, but I suppose in the intensity and over a four year course, one might miss some of the camaraderie maybe. But for sure, exams and study are a great equalizer!
Best of luck, you have some amazing experiences on your resume!
you have some really amazing experiences. i'm a rehabber too, and gradually reached similar conclusions with diagnosing. i'm itching to work with sea turtles; and if i end up with another gap year the plan is to try and pursue some turtle work! I was thinking about going somewhere warm for a change but i adore new england and research - i may reach out with some questions about that at some point.
Sure thing! Happy to share info!
No matter which school you'll apply to, two intro bios with lab, two intro chemistry with lab, two intro physics with lab, at least one orgo (some schools ask more +/- lab), biochem, genetics are basically universally required. I also did a microbiology without lab, a physiology, and have statistics from undergrad. These were good for about 8 schools I'm applying to this year. I'm also taking calculus and another biochem to satisfy the prereq of a few schools I have interviews with. It took me 2 years with part-time working schedule. Let me know if you have any questions!
Not all vet schools require a 2 semester sequence of physics...the only one I can remember right now is Iowa but I know there are a few more.
It really can drive you crazy.I did see this same thing pop up on the fb page, and a lot of people really recommend staying off of SDN, because you generally are comparing yourself to the best applicants in the pool. Try to remember looking at applicants on SDN is not really a realistic portrayal of what the actual applicant pool is like. There are a lot of people in the same exact situation as you, and try to stay positive and optimistic!! It takes a lot just to get to the point of applying, and that’s a huge achievement in itself. Try not to compare, and just do your personal best
With regards to experiences-seek them out. Be relentless in their pursuit. If you can't find one try and create one--I'm in the process of doing that now. Try very hard to stay focused on what's in your control and let go of what's not (life hint--99% of everything is in the NOT category). There is only ONE you and that ONE YOU brings something to the table no one else here does. What is it? How can you best use it to advance the field or the human animal bond? What makes you, you? What are you proud of? Focus there. All of us have weaknesses--I have no research experience and my GPA is sort of a hodgepodge due to a bunch of factors I was unable to control. I'm not giving up hope this is going to be a successful cycle for me just because John Doe has 500 research hours and a 4.0. Maybe his bedside manner stinks. Maybe he is terrified of dogs. Maybe he's not a nice human. There are a million and one ways to be a good veterinarian and YOU will do it differently from every other person in this thread. All you need is ONE school to give you a chance. Look at yourself holistically and compare it to the programs that do the same and know that everyone feels the imposter syndrome. We're here for you, but you have nothing to be ashamed of. Don't doubt yourself. Be a first rate YOU and don't worry about being a second rate anyone else.
I'm in MA, I was grandfathered in though--I had drs I worked with sign off on my hours to take the exam...you may ask potential employers if they'd assist you. You may have some online options. I'm sorry you're feeling down, it's smart to look at what you can do to improve your chances--I'm looking at MPH programs myself.
www.avma.org
I'm so sorry 🙁
How old are you? I'm wondering because life comes with great and not so great experiences. The longer you live the more of them you have to talk about, especially if you have an adventurous spirit. Some people start having adventures earlier in life than others. But, it's never too early or too late to live life to the fullest, regardless of what that means to each person. Be positive, just doing everything it takes to meet the requirements and apply to vet school is a fun adventure in itself!
I am pretty sure this was a rhetorical question....but I am 26. It is hard not to compare myself to those super traditional people who get into vet school when they're 21/22 and knew from the second they popped out of the womb what they wanted to do. It makes me feel like I am a fraud... for lack of a better term....but not everyone is afforded the same opportunities. This is a cliche quote but I think it's relevant....I recite it in my head when I am starting to get into a self-depricating mood... "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
Mine is "Though placed in poorer soil, good seed can yet of its own nature, bear a shining crop." We all have to walk our own paths. I'm ancient compared to most folks here but I will regret the things I don't do!!
Ah, I miss GOT, even though I watched it after everyone else ... Not today!
Yes! Exactly.
Be a dragon.
Hi, I'm yet another non-traditional 'lurker' in this thread who's inspired to post to say hi after reading everyone's stories here. Each of you - the 18 year old non traditional to the 40 year old non traditional - is an inspiration. Congrats to all of us, on being here, in this step
I'm a nontraditional applicant in every way that you want to slice and dice it! I'm 38, had previous life spent in corporate business management and marketing, undergrad in business AND an expensive MBA to go along with it. I've had 'pocket pets' since I was a tiny child, started actually considering vet school in my early 20s, during which I concluded that since I was already on a business career path and was going to get married/start a family it was too late for me to try (HA), so I suffered through a phase of of total depression before moving on. Then the bug surfaced again in my mid 20s, when I didn't end up getting married (HAHA), and spent a few weeks trying to figure out how to reconfigure life and logistics to make vet school happen, but then I got a big unexpected promotion at work and was convinced by mentors (and myself really) that it was way too late to completely change careers (HAHAHA) and that I should get an MBA instead. Fast forward a few years later, I was armed with an Ivy League MBA (in hindsight, probably just to please my parents), a high paying career with clear upward mobility, and a husband. A vet visit with my dog who swallowed a tennis ball (yup) spurred the ache in me once more. I talked to a few contacts in the veterinary field, and planned out a way to make it happen this time around.... and then I found out I was pregnant. At this point, I looked back at my 20s self, shaking my head for naively believing that 20s was too late to 'start' over, and decided that now, in my early 30s, it really was too late.
Then one day, I met a vet who told me she quit her advertising career, in her 40s, and went for it and never turned back. It made me think back on each phase of my life when I, truly, believed that it was too late for me, and I realized: I'm not going to let it happen again. So in my mid 30s, I took my first science class since high school, and got a part-time job with a kind hearted (but probably skeptical) clinic owner assisting techs but really just cleaning a lot of cages and making a million surgical packs. But of course, last year life decided to yet again make it fun for me: I got pregnant. With twins (2 humans. At the same time). But you know what? I think it's because by now I've had enough life twists under my belt to know that even this is not as prohibitive of an obstacle as my brain tries to scare me into thinking. Sure, it complicates things, but it's not insurmountable. So, I'm now 38, with one small kid and 2 tiny kids, with an entire business career under my belt, 50+ completed pre-req credits, a submitted application, and luckily just got an interview invite from my IS (Davis). Who knows what's next - I guess the rest will work out how ever it will.
Life is weird, guys. My lesson learned is this: if you know, right now, that you want something, GO FOR IT. Stop muddying the path you want to choose with hypotheticals, future uncertainties, and made up what ifs.
Happy holidays to you, new friends along with me on this journey
My GPA isn't fabulous--I had a rough go at some classes after undergrad but before my post-bacc program (science gpa under 3.0 cough--though this semester should have fixed that) and I interviewed with AVC..don't sell yourself short!
I can show you my rejection letter from the AVC 😂 I appreciate the support I was fortunate to get an interview with the RVC so not all is lost! And I'm holding out hope for CSU also
fingers and toes crossed you get the school you desire
I was kinda shocked to interview with AVC. My undergrad GPA was fine enough--3.6, but because of those bad classes I had an overall of like 3.29 or something and a science of like 2.97..it was mortifying when I saw how VMCAS calculated it. I wound up writing a letter to every school I applied to explaining what happened, what my current trend was and why I felt those gpas were not indicative of the student I am today..so far that seems to have been a successful tactic lol
I wrote about my poor undergrad gpa and my current trend in my application statement. I had such a bad gpa (2.73) in undergrad when you average my masters and post bacc with it I don’t make the cut. I’m depending on schools to ignore that score and see that I’m much better at balancing time now.fingers and toes crossed you get the school you desire
