Noobs...in SPAAAAACE - 5th Annual Noob WW Game

[sheltermed]

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Wow lots of things that make me cringe.

Uhm is everyone who voted to lynch killer suddenly wiser and decided not to support that? Not that it was the best option yesterday but I find it odd that you’re all kinda past it. Or at least seem to be past it.

I think a lot of people haven't checked in yet but I don't remember for sure who voted that way yesterday and whether or not those people have indeed not checked in

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

My initial vote for Killer yesterday was a bandwagon vote, as were most of them I think. I don't think any of them were for any substantive reason, which is probably why people aren't voting to lynch her.

 

[Beagle-Brigade]

so basically m935 is saying that he possessed a seering ability (item?) that he couldn't use himself so he gave it to pickles. he said that then and then figured he was "revealing too much" and edited it out. if anyone is not alarmed by this i'm not sure what you're doing

Maybe a noob mistake? If M### isn't lynched tomorrow morning I'll be SHOOK

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Maybe a noob mistake? If M### isn't lynched tomorrow morning I'll be SHOOK

I bet you would be.

 

[dolphin106258]

Day 1 Unofficial "Where no manator has gone before" Lynch Tally
M935 (3) - z&j, killer, emlady
emlady (1) - MSU
Beagle (1) - Barkley
killer (6) - beagles, dandelion, Dinashadow, mutts, pickles, grebes
shelter () -
pickles () -
Dandelion (1) - Dr. S
Ski (1) - dolphin
Dinashadow (1) - Ski
mpmoose (1) - Coffee?
grebes (5) - Stagg, M935, shelter, mpmoose, FrostySparrow
z&j () -

20/21 votes
Missing: Stella

Some of the killer votes have indeed not checked in...I think? But these are the peeps @picklegurl @Beagle-Brigade @muttmanager @Dandelion18 @Dinashadow

 

[deleted867257]

Wow lots of things that make me cringe.

Uhm is everyone who voted to lynch killer suddenly wiser and decided not to support that? Not that it was the best option yesterday but I find it odd that you’re all kinda past it. Or at least seem to be past it.

Probably a combination of bandwagon, and it being D1. Without any significant conversation or history, it's also pretty standard (I would think) for the first day vote to be random or to have a very weak reasoning (at least compared to when we get further along).

keep in mind that the noobs have mentors that are coaching them to whatever extent

That's true, I forget that we all have adult WW players helping. So, scripted is possible. But if we lynch beagle and she is villager, then how is the mentor going to have M backtrack on that? They've already given so much away that it'd be a weak/temporary argument. Because the moment beagle is lynched, if villager, all of our heads are going to snap right at the people who started to make claims.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

That's true, I forget that we all have adult WW players helping. So, scripted is possible. But if we lynch beagle and she is villager, then how is the mentor going to have M backtrack on that? They've already given so much away that it'd be a weak/temporary argument. Because the moment beagle is lynched, if villager, all of our heads are going to snap right at the people who started to make claims.

Either way, we get a wolf. If we lynch beagle and she is a villager, then pickles is a wolf. If we lynch beagle and she is a wolf, then we get a wolf and know pickles is village.

 

[Dinashadow]

I'm around, I am just working 11 hours today and behind in the thread. I'll check in and catch up when I get home.

 

[dolphin106258]

My initial vote for Killer yesterday was a bandwagon vote, as were most of them I think. I don't think any of them were for any substantive reason, which is probably why people aren't voting to lynch her.

Generally it’s best to explain especially under the odd circumstances surrounding killer’s lynch why people aren’t voting there.

 

[sheltermed]

Coffee seems to be actively searching for wolves.

How did you come to this conclusion? I don't really think she's said anything particularly helpful except defining lovers and masons for us. She defended herself against my theory against her, and then she voted for beagle without giving any reason, presumably trusting pickle's oddities. I don't see any of that as active wolf hunting.

 

[dolphin106258]

Probably a combination of bandwagon, and it being D1. Without any significant conversation or history, it's also pretty standard (I would think) for the first day vote to be random or to have a very weak reasoning (at least compared to when we get further along).



That's true, I forget that we all have adult WW players helping. So, scripted is possible. But if we lynch beagle and she is villager, then how is the mentor going to have M backtrack on that? They've already given so much away that it'd be a weak/temporary argument. Because the moment beagle is lynched, if villager, all of our heads are going to snap right at the people who started to make claims.

Even tho this is a noob game we had a lot of conversation and data points to analyze. And people in past games have reminded me frequently that D1 is not as much of a crap shoot as most people allow it to be categorized as.

 

[Beagle-Brigade]

Some of the killer votes have indeed not checked in...I think? But these are the peeps @picklegurl @Beagle-Brigade @muttmanager @Dandelion18 @Dinashadow

I voted based on name (random really) early yesterday. Killer's responses made me less worried about them being a wolf, but the not getting lynched part raised some red flags. However I still feel like the best candidate for being a wolf is pickles, so that's why I voted that way

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Generally it’s best to explain especially under the odd circumstances surrounding killer’s lynch why people aren’t voting there.

I mean, yesterday she said something bad about beagles and like 5 people voted to lynch her just based on that. I don't think there were any other reasons. By the end of the day cycle, half the people who initially voted to lynch Killer jumped off the bandwagon.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I voted based on name (random really) early yesterday. Killer's responses made me less worried about them being a wolf, but the not getting lynched part raised some red flags. However I still feel like the best candidate for being a wolf is pickles, so that's why I voted that way

Convenient that you think pickles is the best candidate.

 

[dolphin106258]

I mean, yesterday she said something bad about beagles and like 5 people voted to lynch her just based on that. I don't think there were any other reasons. By the end of the day cycle, half the people who initially voted to lynch Killer jumped off the bandwagon.

Well I’m not really referring to people who jumped off. Talking to the ones who chose to stay and go through with the lynch.

 

[Dandelion18]

Some of the killer votes have indeed not checked in...I think? But these are the peeps @picklegurl @Beagle-Brigade @muttmanager @Dandelion18 @Dinashadow

I voted for killer yesterday as a throw a way day 1 vote and left it there to see how she reacted. She led the vote even when she could have switched her vote to grebes to tie it up and have a chance at life, but she didn’t. I could be wrong, but if she were a wolf I would imagine her wolf buddies would be yelling at her to switch her vote already, she could justify it as self-preservation, but she didn’t.

The way grebes reacted just struck a chord with me, hence the vote.

 

[deleted867257]

Even tho this is a noob game we had a lot of conversation and data points to analyze. And people in past games have reminded me frequently that D1 is not as much of a crap shoot as most people allow it to be categorized as.

I don't think it's necessarily as much as one, but compared to other nights it can be. I think it starts being useful when you can look back and see whose done/said/voted what/for who. But unless someone slips up, I'd have a hard time getting a pretty good lead on a potential wolf. I'll admit that my D1 vote was a very brief look of the forum due to studying for a test for this am... and wanting to make sure I got at least something said and at least read something.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Well I’m not really referring to people who jumped off. Talking to the ones who chose to stay and go through with the lynch.

Oh, yeah I don't know. That does seem fishy. But at this point, I'm just waiting to see what happens with beagles/pickles. If enough people vote for beagle and she gets lynched, we will know whether she or pickles is a wolf.

 

[dolphin106258]

I voted for killer yesterday as a throw a way day 1 vote and left it there to see how she reacted. She led the vote even when she could have switched her vote to grebes to tie it up and have a chance at life, but she didn’t. I could be wrong, but if she were a wolf I would imagine her wolf buddies would be yelling at her to switch her vote already, she could justify it as self-preservation, but she didn’t.

The way grebes reacted just struck a chord with me, hence the vote.

I am satisfied with this response. Thanks for the explanation!

 

[Dandelion18]

Would love to hear more from @grebes4lyfe. Any wolf/village leans?

 

[Barkley13]

Generally it’s best to explain especially under the odd circumstances surrounding killer’s lynch why people aren’t voting there.

I assumed ski was going to die no matter who we voted to lynch yesterday based on her post right before the results and because she was counted as a noob in the signups and I don't think she is

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I assumed ski was going to die no matter who we voted to lynch yesterday based on her post right before the results and because she was counted as a noob in the signups and I don't think she is

I was wondering why ski died.

 

[dolphin106258]

I assumed ski was going to die no matter who we voted to lynch yesterday based on her post right before the results and because she was counted as a noob in the signups and I don't think she is

No I am leaning that way as well. But I meant it in the way that you voted for someone wanting to see wolf or village and you didn’t get to. So if you did vote there you should have a convincing explanation or reasoning as to why you’re feelings have changed.

 

[sheltermed]

I assumed ski was going to die no matter who we voted to lynch yesterday based on her post right before the results and because she was counted as a noob in the signups and I don't think she is

I distinctly remember that Ski had made posts DIRECTLY before and after WZ's lynch close that also announced she died. The post directly before the lynch close is now gone.

 

[dolphin106258]

I distinctly remember that Ski had made posts DIRECTLY before and after WZ's lynch close that also announced she died. The post directly before the lynch close is now gone.

Oh really?!? Interesting.

 

[Dandelion18]

I distinctly remember that Ski had made posts DIRECTLY before and after WZ's lynch close that also announced she died. The post directly before the lynch close is now gone.

Yes, the post where she said she was glad she got a second noob game is missing.

 

[sheltermed]

Yes, the post where she said she was glad she got a second noob game is missing.

Thanks for remembering what it said, I didn't!

 

[deleted867257]

Yes, the post where she said she was glad she got a second noob game is missing.

What does that even mean?

 

[Dandelion18]

What does that even mean?

Nothing game related that I could tell. Just seemed like a throwaway comment about her being happy to be in a second game. I can’t see why it would go missing...

 

[sheltermed]

What does that even mean?

Personally, I don't know, but it made me feel as though she knew her death was coming.

 

[dolphin106258]

Personally, I don't know, but it made me feel as though she knew her death was coming.

Maybe so and that’s why it was deleted? I’m not sure I still don’t completely understand why Ski died...

 

[WildZoo]

Attention: Day 1 writeup has been updated

 

[sheltermed]

basically the mods didn't want to waste day 1 on that idiotic killerleaf vote

 

[dolphin106258]

Also @Matthew9Thirtyfive this pertains to you currently but is for everyone. Generally unless you have some kind of result from the mod that says this person is a wolf, it’s not always the best idea to reveal types of abilities or allude to it. To some you’ll be sketchier, and to some they’ll be willing to follow your lead. It just leaves things up to people’s interpretation, especially with hints which I’m historically bad at.

But you know anyone can ignore my advice lol.

 

[WildZoo]

Please remember, manators are serving in advisor-type roles, not playing for their nooblets. As stated in the rules:

Rules for Mentors: Mentors are here to advise you of the mechanics of playing, and to discuss general strategy, but remember you are the ones who are playing. You will learn best from mistakes you make over the course of this game. Do not ask the mentor to tell you exactly what to do.

I am observing all tor/tee interactions closely and will step in if I see any manators giving their manatees too much assistance.
Let us focus on the players in the game, and not on who may or may not be advising them behind the scenes. ​

 

[MSUcvmHOPE]

Today I chose someone I haven't heard from much to see if I could draw out some chat from them. I'll wait to cast or change votes as the evening progresses... And I get out of work.

I do find it interesting, and believe that pickles could have gotten a lead on beagle from the possible secret/loaded question, but whether that lead is beneficial for one party or the other I've yet to determine.

 

[Barkley13]

I'm really on the fence about shelter and pickle..
Shelter because I don't really agree with her logic on some things but she does seem to be actively wolf hunting and sharing her thoughts which makes her seem more village
Pickle because yesterday she was all over the place and then with whatever happened this morning... but also I feel like there might be a reason for that

So for now I am going to

Lynch Beagle

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Also @Matthew9Thirtyfive this pertains to you currently but is for everyone. Generally unless you have some kind of result from the mod that says this person is a wolf, it’s not always the best idea to reveal types of abilities or allude to it. To some you’ll be sketchier, and to some they’ll be willing to follow your lead. It just leaves things up to people’s interpretation, especially with hints which I’m historically bad at.

But you know anyone can ignore my advice lol.

Meaning I can't say I believe someone is a wolf? I don't know for sure who is a wolf. I just know of a way to find out which one of two people are.

 

[WildZoo]

Day 2 Time And Relative Dimension In Space Lynch Tally

coffee? () -
shelter (1) - grebes
grebes (2) - dandelion, zigzag
beagles (5) - pickle, dirty thirty, coffee?, frosty, barkley
Barkley (1) - msu
dirty thirty (1) - shelter
pickles (1) - beags

11/19 votes
Deadline: 10pm EST (~5.5 hours)

@Beagle-Brigade You are winning!

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

How did you come to this conclusion? I don't really think she's said anything particularly helpful except defining lovers and masons for us. She defended herself against my theory against her, and then she voted for beagle without giving any reason, presumably trusting pickle's oddities. I don't see any of that as active wolf hunting.

Pshh coffee works 7-3 job (PST) you're lucky at all I post while on the clock but thats not the time for wolf hunting

I was wondering why ski died.

I distinctly remember that Ski had made posts DIRECTLY before and after WZ's lynch close that also announced she died. The post directly before the lynch close is now gone.

Maybe so and that’s why it was deleted? I’m not sure I still don’t completely understand why Ski died...

I am assuming ski joined the game as a sacrifice so no player would die with only 1 day of play. For anyone nor up to speed she's not an actual noob 🙄

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I am assuming ski joined the game as a sacrifice so no player would die with only 1 day of play. For anyone nor up to speed she's not an actual noob 🙄

I have literally never watched a game or played, so I had no idea she wasn't actually a noob. After she was the ritual sacrifice, I figured it might have something to do with that, but wasn't sure.

 

[killerleaf]

Believe me, I was as surprised as anyone I survived that lynch. I even pm'd WZ, saying that she called me by the wrong name in the writeup!! I had to go back and reread it....

 

[killerleaf]

then realized it was skiotter who died.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

@sheltermed i forgot to include that it is a worthwhile thing when someone comes and says "I have information" to test that information.

Like if I said I had reasons to believe so and so is a wolf (@WildZoo rreasons for the dictionary?) Then rather than being like oh maybe she is telling the truth but I don't know if I trust her.

Reasons is a statement designed to maintain some degree of subtleness/privacy.

Coming out and then lynching me and saying "TELL US YOUR REASONS"

is harmful to village as then the wolves have information potentially on a power role.

Instead trust the information, test it, and if it is bad info get an explanation following that.

 

[WildZoo]

(@WildZoo rreasons for the dictionary?)

Meh. If I add reasons I should probably add tinfoil. Don't feel like it.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

@sheltermed i forgot to include that it is a worthwhile thing when someone comes and says "I have information" to test that information.

Like if I said I had reasons to believe so and so is a wolf (@WildZoo rreasons for the dictionary?) Then rather than being like oh maybe she is telling the truth but I don't know if I trust her.

Reasons is a statement designed to maintain some degree of subtleness/privacy.

Coming out and then lynching me and saying "TELL US YOUR REASONS"

is harmful to village as then the wolves have information potentially on a power role.

Instead trust the information, test it, and if it is bad info get an explanation following that.

I'm still not convinced shelter isn't a wolf.

 

[CoffeeQuestionMark]

I have literally never watched a game or played, so I had no idea she wasn't actually a noob. After she was the ritual sacrifice, I figured it might have something to do with that, but wasn't sure.

Yep, it's described in the writeup. She doesn't play much anymore but you'll find her spectating basically every game 😀

 

[killerleaf]

I think i am following what dirk was saying...he had an object, he gave it to pickles, because he could not use it himself...and apparently it was a seering type thing. pickles then came up with some weird thing, and voted to lynch beagles. so the reasoning is that if beagle is a wolf, then pickles is village, but if beagle is village, then pickles is a wolf. But what if they are both wolves, and pickles is throwing beagle under the bus to make themselves look good?

or what if the crackling announcement was pickles being infested with an alien, that made her do the weirdo posting restriction, weird lynch thing?

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

Yep, it's described in the writeup. She doesn't play much anymore but you'll find her spectating basically every game 😀

Clearly, I didn't read the write-up very carefully lol.

 

[Matthew9Thirtyfive]

I think i am following what dirk was saying...he had an object, he gave it to pickles, because he could not use it himself...and apparently it was a seering type thing. pickles then came up with some weird thing, and voted to lynch beagles. so the reasoning is that if beagle is a wolf, then pickles is village, but if beagle is village, then pickles is a wolf. But what if they are both wolves, and pickles is throwing beagle under the bus to make themselves look good?

I think the last one is pretty unlikely. There are only like 4 or 5 of them, so sacrificing one doesn't make much sense.

or what if the crackling announcement was pickles being infested with an alien, that made her do the weirdo posting restriction, weird lynch thing?

I guess that's a possibility, but there's no way to test for that really.