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CoffeeQuestionMark said:
If there is a solid case against em I'd be willing to go there instead, just that she'd likely have my vote tomorrow if we were both alive

@Dinashadow
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Coffee I think you need to step back and consider that I'm on your side.

And like I said yesterday we should really consider trying to lynch a wolf than trying to lynch chaos.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
If there were no more wolves remaining the game would've ended right then. So any conversions would've had to happen before that point
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I think this is a very important point. I asked yesterday if there were no more wolves, even people in process of conversion, would the game end? They said yes. So when stagg was killed there was already another wolf.
What people have previously done before then doesn't matter. I'm going to go back and look at voting records also. I think it's pretty darn convenient that em and dina both "tried" to switch their vote from MSU a minute late.
 
FINAL Day 4 Spooky Space Creature or Horrible Alien? Lynch Tally - CHeCk YO VoTEs
Mutt (8) - Doc-S, zigzagoon, Matty ice, killer, dolphin, dinamite, coffee?, barkley
Msu (3) - shelter, emmy, mutts
Koffee (1) - pickles
dina (1) - stagg
Matt (1) - MSU


Unofficial Day 5, Part 2 Does Santa Deliver to Spaceships? Lynch Tally
Barkley (4) - dolphin, zigzagoon, DrS, Stagg
MSU (1) - killer
M935 () -
Stagg (4) - M935, MSU, dinamite, Barkley

9/12 voting
Deadline now

tie!

Unofficial Final Manator Tally Takeover D6 Lynch Tally

Dr. S () -
killer (1) - koffee
barkley (6) - shelter, emmy, msu, DrS, killer, dinamite
MSU () -
emmy (3) - zigzag, barkley, matty
matty () -


Day 7 Official Sudden But Inevitable Betrayal Lynch Tally
zigzag (2) - emmy, killer
shelter (6) - matty, zigzag, koffee, shelter, doc-s, Dina

8/9
 
Stagg737 said:
*********************Padawan Post*******************

On the other hand, let's say you have 8 players left and you have 5 village and 3 wolves. If you lynch a villager then the game will end if the wolves get a night kill. HOWEVER, if you decide as a village that you are not going to lynch anyone, then the game will not end the following day even with a night kill, as the following day would still have a count of 4:3 with village still having the advantage. This is called MyLo, which stands for MISLYNCH AND LOSE. So as long as you don't lynch a villager, you will be safe that day. However, this almost certainly means the following day will be LyLo.

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WildZoo said:
Hmmm...I get the feeling if a villager is lynched today...well, let's just say you probably don't want to do that
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Does this mean we are at mylo? Maybe someone with more game knowledge could help me out?
6 players remain:
- em
- m#
- Dina
- me
- MSU
- coffee

If we Lynch a villager, down to 5 people. The wolves kill someone overnight, then we are at 4 people. And this would be parity??? Are there 2 wolves???
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
I think this is a very important point. I asked yesterday if there were no more wolves, even people in process of conversion, would the game end? They said yes. So when stagg was killed there was already another wolf.
What people have previously done before then doesn't matter. I'm going to go back and look at voting records also. I think it's pretty darn convenient that em and dina both "tried" to switch their vote from MSU a minute late.
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Ok sorry my internet lags!! I was literally seconds after WZ posted it was closed. If @ziggyandjazzy wasn't so sporadic the last 10 min of voting trying to get everyone to switch after being so sure the entire day, we wouldn’t have that issue. Tell me that’s not odd. Three days in a row...
 
emlady09 said:
Ok sorry my internet lags!! I was literally seconds after WZ posted it was closed. If @ziggyandjazzy wasn't so sporadic the last 10 min of voting trying to get everyone to switch after being so sure the entire day, we wouldn’t have that issue. Tell me that’s not odd. Three days in a row...
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I'm not really sure what you mean by ME causing the waffling in the last 10 minutes 3 days in a row.

D5 near 7 PM PST: stagg and m# going back and forth. I stayed on Barkley the whole time. Go ahead and look at pg 33. No waffling from me.

D6 near end of Lynch: All I tried to do the whole time was to try and save Barkley. I really didn't care who was lynched at that point, I just didn't want it to be barkley as I knew she had a x1 kill given from dolphin and knew this would be very useful. MSU also thought she would be dead in the water regardless
MSUcvmHOPE said:
What is the plan if we don't lynch Bark??? She is good as dead for saying she can assassinate anyone anytime and has not used it yet.
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But I knew I could protect her that night so I said
ziggyandjazzy said:
Not necessarily
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This is on pg 40.

D7 I started to get very suspicious of Dina near the end of the Lynch. I have now been informed it looks bad to waffle right at the end. I thought I had things figured out, but I didn't and got freaked out and caused pandemonium. I understand that and I am sorry. I am sure we now know why though, as MSU flipped village.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Does this mean we are at mylo? Maybe someone with more game knowledge could help me out?
6 players remain:
- em
- m#
- Dina
- me
- MSU
- coffee

If we Lynch a villager, down to 5 people. The wolves kill someone overnight, then we are at 4 people. And this would be parity??? Are there 2 wolves???
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uhhh I've honestly never had to calculate this myself before but I thought I had it right...
There is confirmed chaos. So treated as if there were 5 players today. If there were 2 wolves that'd make this lylo and not mylo. And if there are 2 wolves I don't know what to think other than if MSU was brought back as wolf?
I think ask your manator please because I actually don't understamd
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
uhhh I've honestly never had to calculate this myself before but I thought I had it right...
There is confirmed chaos. So treated as if there were 5 players today. If there were 2 wolves that'd make this lylo and not mylo. And if there are 2 wolves I don't know what to think other than if MSU was brought back as wolf?
I think ask your manator please because I actually don't understamd
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I will check with my manator. What do you mean by the bold?
 
Ok I think this is correct:
Mylo: we can Lynch either wolf or chaos, just not village
Lylo: we have to Lynch wolves.

So it would only be Lylo if there were 2 wolves.
For Lylo: If we Lynch a villager, down to 5 people. The wolves kill someone overnight, then we are at 4 people. And this would be parity with 2 wolves

Mylo: 6 people. 4-1-1. 3 options:
- We Lynch the wolf= win
- We Lynch chaos: 5 people remain. wolf kills 1 overnight most likely, 4 people remain the next day: 3 villagers and 1 wolf
- We Lynch a villager and (likely/definitely?) lose

So the resurrection can be confirmed NOT to have been a wolf and MSU is back and def not a wolf:soexcited:😍
 
Hey guys done with work.
So I do still need to go back and look at previous posts/days. Sorry for pushing Killer but that was honestly my best guess at the time. So it'll take a minute for me to formulate anything helpful.

I have returned as village, but no abilities and I cannot vote.
But I can say that living is supes painful, and I like really long for the sweet release of death again or whatever...

But hey. No one is going to claim they brought me back?? It's been asked twice and no one has owned up to it.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I was almost 100% yesterday. After rechecking the timeline, it doesn’t appear she even could be anything but village. She was role revealed as village after the conversion of stagg and led the lynch of him after she could talk again.
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Wondering why you say this.
What we know:
- The conversion must have happened before Stagg's death. Stagg died d6/wednesday
- Coffee was revealed as a villager on d4/Monday. Unless I am missing something, coffee could've been converted.

If we are talking about inability to vote, coffee didn't vote d3 or d5.
Emmy didn't vote d5. Em could you lay out for me why you were unable to vote? Do you suspect any chaos was involved here? Why were you told you couldn't vote.

At this point, I trust absolutely NONE of you besides MSU. sorry not sorry lol
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Wondering why you say this.
What we know:
- The conversion must have happened before Stagg's death. Stagg died d6/wednesday
- Coffee was revealed as a villager on d4/Monday. Unless I am missing something, coffee could've been converted.

If we are talking about inability to vote, coffee didn't vote d3 or d5.
Emmy didn't vote d5. Em could you lay out for me why you were unable to vote? Do you suspect any chaos was involved here? Why were you told you couldn't vote.

At this point, I trust absolutely NONE of you besides MSU. sorry not sorry lol
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I was the one that called Stagg out though and led his lynch. If I HAD been converted this would be a poor move for 1. Driving the lynch of a wolf that people weren't really suspecting (Matt started a lynch the night before but regretted it) 2. Explaining the mechanics of conversion
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Ok I think this is correct:
Mylo: we can Lynch either wolf or chaos, just not village
Lylo: we have to Lynch wolves.

So it would only be Lylo if there were 2 wolves.
For Lylo: If we Lynch a villager, down to 5 people. The wolves kill someone overnight, then we are at 4 people. And this would be parity with 2 wolves

Mylo: 6 people. 4-1-1. 3 options:
- We Lynch the wolf= win
- We Lynch chaos: 5 people remain. wolf kills 1 overnight most likely, 4 people remain the next day: 3 villagers and 1 wolf
- We Lynch a villager and (likely/definitely?) lose

So the resurrection can be confirmed NOT to have been a wolf and MSU is back and def not a wolf:soexcited:😍
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@Matthew9Thirtyfive
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Wondering why you say this.
What we know:
- The conversion must have happened before Stagg's death. Stagg died d6/wednesday
- Coffee was revealed as a villager on d4/Monday. Unless I am missing something, coffee could've been converted.

If we are talking about inability to vote, coffee didn't vote d3 or d5.
Emmy didn't vote d5. Em could you lay out for me why you were unable to vote? Do you suspect any chaos was involved here? Why were you told you couldn't vote.

At this point, I trust absolutely NONE of you besides MSU. sorry not sorry lol
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And actually, you should reread the timeline. coffee was caught in the gravitational pull right after mutts was lynched. The next morning she used her healing ability and was pronounced a villager by the mods.
 
Also on that thing about how no one has claimed to have rezzed me, why me? I feel like maybe bringing someone like dolphin back who died before we figured it who she had given all her upgrades to, or others? Maybe, probably there are others I'm missing that could have been brought in some insight since they had active abilities, where mine was passive.
Or possibly only the last to die could be rezzed, then ok.
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Ok I think this is correct:
Mylo: we can Lynch either wolf or chaos, just not village
Lylo: we have to Lynch wolves.

So it would only be Lylo if there were 2 wolves.
For Lylo: If we Lynch a villager, down to 5 people. The wolves kill someone overnight, then we are at 4 people. And this would be parity with 2 wolves

Mylo: 6 people. 4-1-1. 3 options:
- We Lynch the wolf= win
- We Lynch chaos: 5 people remain. wolf kills 1 overnight most likely, 4 people remain the next day: 3 villagers and 1 wolf
- We Lynch a villager and (likely/definitely?) lose

So the resurrection can be confirmed NOT to have been a wolf and MSU is back and def not a wolf:soexcited:😍
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Just saw this. Yes, I agree with this. That is actually why I went ahead with the resurrection. I was thinking MSU could still be a third party possibly, but I knew they couldn't make her wolf because we'd automatically lose.
 
MSUcvmHOPE said:
Also on that thing about how no one has claimed to have rezzed me, why me? I feel like maybe bringing someone like dolphin back who died before we figured it who she had given all her upgrades to, or others? Maybe, probably there are others I'm missing that could have been brought in some insight since they had active abilities, where mine was passive.
Or possibly only the last to die could be rezzed, then ok.
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It was me. I made a resurrection stone the night before last and used it on you last night.
 
Look. This is how it is.

MSU is definitely not wolf.
Coffee is definitely not wolf.
I am definitely not wolf (for one, I know I'm village--but you can also look at the entire thread and can see that I have not done a single thing including after conversion that would indicate wolf).

So. The wolf is either zig, em, or dina. You guys really just need to convince us why it isn't you.
@ziggyandjazzy @emlady09 @Dinashadow
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Just saw this. Yes, I agree with this. That is actually why I went ahead with the resurrection. I was thinking MSU could still be a third party possibly, but I knew they couldn't make her wolf because we'd automatically lose.
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Wait... You just said that no one should trust me either cause I could be wolf or other.
Now you're saying you knew that I couldn't be wolf and that's why you rezzed me?
 
MSUcvmHOPE said:
Wait... You just said that no one should trust me either cause I could be wolf or other.
Now you're saying you knew that I couldn't be wolf and that's why you rezzed me?
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Yeah, sorry. What I meant was when I resurrected you, I was told by the mods that there is a chance you could be village, a chance you could be wolf, and a chance you could be third party. I figured it didn't make sense for them to make you wolf because of how many people are left, so I went ahead with it anyway.

But I'm super paranoid because if we lynch a villager we lose. I resurrected you to keep us alive for another day basically.

Edit to add: but when I posted that, I was thinking you might still be a third party, which could be good or bad for village. But zig's math confirmed what I was thinking last night--you can't be wolf.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Yeah, sorry. What I meant was when I resurrected you, I was told by the mods that there is a chance you could be village, a chance you could be wolf, and a chance you could be third party. I figured it didn't make sense for them to make you wolf because of how many people are left, so I went ahead with it anyway.

But I'm super paranoid because if we lynch a villager we lose. I resurrected you to keep us alive for another day basically.

Edit to add: but when I posted that, I was thinking you might still be a third party, which could be good or bad for village. But zig's math confirmed what I was thinking last night--you can't be wolf.
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Ok I'll take that. You can see how I was like 'wut' though.
But yeah so why me? Were you able to choose who to bring back?
 
Just for full disclosure:

I made the resurrection stone two nights ago to resurrect shelter. As I've said before, I can make an item one night and use it the next. I tried to find a loophole to make it and use it the same night so we'd get shelter back the next day, but they wouldn't let me. They also told me that there was a chance they wouldn't come back village and almost no chance they'd have their abilities.

So I ended up rezzing MSU because shelter has moved over to the new game and hasn't posted here, while MSU just died. It seemed like a better move. And, to be perfectly honest, I figured if she did get rezzed as a third party or wolf, she has made enough noob mistakes that she might give herself away. Sorry, MSU. :/
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
And actually, you should reread the timeline. coffee was caught in the gravitational pull right after mutts was lynched. The next morning she used her healing ability and was pronounced a villager by the mods.
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Ok so mutts was lynched d4. Then the "gravitational pull" that caused coffee to heal herself started happening d4? then coffee healed herself and that why she was unable to vote d5 (mon-tue). Does this sound correct?
Then it would stand to reason that the gravitational pull also affected em and she was possibly converted? idk!

I have never thought m# to be a wolf and resurrecting somehow confirms (I think) that you aren't chaos. As chaos wants to reduce numbers

Interested in hearing more about Dina's powers and what you have found out/don't for the village besides just protecting yourself at night. @Dinashadow

Also want to hear from em on why she couldn't vote. @emlady09
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
Ok so mutts was lynched d4. Then the "gravitational pull" that caused coffee to heal herself started happening d4? then coffee healed herself and that why she was unable to vote d5 (mon-tue). Does this sound correct?
Then it would stand to reason that the gravitational pull also affected em and she was possibly converted? idk!

I have never thought m# to be a wolf and resurrecting somehow confirms (I think) that you aren't chaos. As chaos wants to reduce numbers

Interested in hearing more about Dina's powers and what you have found out/don't for the village besides just protecting yourself at night. @Dinashadow

Also want to hear from em on why she couldn't vote. @emlady09
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So, here's the reason I'm not suspicious of coffee. Mutts died. Coffee says she received a PM immediately after mutts died saying she was caught in a gravitational pull. She said she used her healing ability on the next morning to heal herself. Right after that happened, she was revealed by the mods to be a villager. At the start of the next day cycle, she immediately lynched stagg and told everyone why she knows he was a wolf.

So yes, if you're not a wolf, then it's either dina or em. And em voted for stagg twice--once during the end of the day cycle when I suspect he was already converted, but possibly wasn't, and then again the following day cycle after he was definitely converted--and she would have been too.

So if it's not you, I think all signs point to em being the wolf and dina being chaos. When we had a tie the first time, no one died. Then the second time we would have had a tie, dina broke the tie by voting to lynch a villager.

Edit: em is the only one of us who didn't vote for stagg. She said she couldn't, but that's a convenient reason. Her resurrection also failed and no one has claimed doing that, and no one can explain why it ultimately failed (unless I missed that). I think she could have been converted during the process, and she didn't have any reason to try to make sure it happened.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
I also made an item last night that can restore a player's abilities. I was going to use it tonight, but it doesn't seem to matter anymore. We have to win today apparently.
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We don't HAVE to win today I don't think. We just can't lynch a villager.

The game will end if we lynch a villager (I think). It will def end if we Lynch the remaining wolf.

If we Lynch chaos, 5 people will remain, with one wolf and 4 villagers. The wolf will likely kill someone overnight. Then tomorrow there would likely be 1 wolf and 3 villagers if the wolf kills overnight. Coffee and I are the ones who have lost our powers, so you could try to give it to one of us. But there is a chance one of us would be killed, or you would be killed if you can't protect yourself. Don't tell me whether you can or cannot protect yourself, I don't want to make you more of a target then you likely already are.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
@ziggyandjazzy I will be honest in that I am still a little suspicious of you. You have voted to lynch a number of villagers since mutts died. I'm less suspicious of you than em, but it's still there.

I want to trust coffee, but her feelings have been off before (grebes, for example).
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I'm about to eat but I will come back and try to give examples of why it would be implausible for me to be a wolf. Look at some of my posts this morning also: re attempting to save barkley from Lynch and hinting at protection
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
We don't HAVE to win today I don't think. We just can't lynch a villager.

The game will end if we lynch a villager (I think). It will def end if we Lynch the remaining wolf.

If we Lynch chaos, 5 people will remain, with one wolf and 4 villagers. The wolf will likely kill someone overnight. Then tomorrow there would likely be 1 wolf and 3 villagers if the wolf kills overnight. Coffee and I are the ones who have lost our powers, so you could try to give it to one of us. But there is a chance one of us would be killed, or you would be killed if you can't protect yourself. Don't tell me whether you can or cannot protect yourself, I don't want to make you more of a target then you likely already are.
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Got it. Then we can go for broke and try to lynch the wolf, or we can try to lynch chaos and give ourselves another day and more info in the morning. I honestly think dina is the best bet for chaos, but it could possibly be you (sorry).
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
I'm about to eat but I will come back and try to give examples of why it would be implausible for me to be a wolf. Look at some of my posts this morning also: re attempting to save barkley from Lynch and hinting at protection
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Yeah, I'm honestly thinking dina as chaos and em as wolf.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
@ziggyandjazzy I will be honest in that I am still a little suspicious of you. You have voted to lynch a number of villagers since mutts died. I'm less suspicious of you than em, but it's still there.

I want to trust coffee, but her feelings have been off before (grebes, for example).
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Here are another couple things in my defense:
- I feel like being a protector is a pretty solid villager role (I could be wrong). You know I have protected you several times. People can't be converted to chaos (that I know of)
- Killer tracked me 2 nights. The first night I went to Dina, the second night, I was sick in bed recovering from being stabbed. I said both of these. I feel like if she objected to it being incorrect, she would've said something (but she was relatively quiet so I could be wrong)
- I fought hard to save barkley on the day she was lynched because I believed she got an extra shot from dolphin and I knew I could prevent her from attack. Barkley was lynched after stagg died so the wolf would've been converted at this point
- I have voted in every lynch, even if misdirected/irrationally
- I can try to think of others...
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
Yeah, I'm honestly thinking dina as chaos and em as wolf.
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I believe so as well. Dina was very vocal when we were trying to Lynch her (self preservation?) and all of a sudden, silence. Emmy was confused why we were lynching dina and wasn't going for it (could mean she knew she was Chaos and didn't want to see her lynched). Part of my rationale for lynching her was to see reactions. They are both being very very quiet now.

So I am just going to
Lynch emmy
to get her talking, hopefully. And I am off to a movie, I'll be back in a few hours
edit because it cut a few words off
 
ziggyandjazzy said:
I believe so as well. Dina was very vocal when we were trying to Lynch her (self preservation?) and all of a sudden, silence. Emmy was confused why we were lynching dina and wasn't going for it (could mean she knew she was Chaos and didn't want to see her lynched). Part of my rationale for lynching her was to see reactions. They are both being very very quiet now.

So I am just going to
Lynch emmy
to get her talking, hopefully. And I am off to a movie, I'll be back in a few hours
edit because it cut a few words off
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This seems solid. @CoffeeQuestionMark ?
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
This seems solid. @CoffeeQuestionMark ?
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I looked back at when Emmy didn't vote, and it was the same day as me. Following that, her and shelter pushed lynches towards Barkley (who came out as vigilante before that) and Ziggy (and though I've been wrong this game I really feel she is village). Shelter flipped village, but we know they were discussing their choices in PM, so I could see pocketing going on in PM :/

Another interesting note, she did not vote for Stagg after I came out that he was probably converted. Granted, this was the day that they were restricted, but she didn't post until after he was dead.

So, it doesn't seem unreasonable to think upon mutt's death she was given two conversion attempts. Thus why at her death write-up it said 1 conversion, then or 2? or 3?, because the 2nd and 3rd hadn't gone through

Lynch Emmy
 
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