Not all that surprising

[shamwowzer]

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6115a1.htm

The adults who chose to forgo their vaccination shouldn't be surprised, but you have to feel bad for those kids who got measles because their parents are boneheads.

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[Planets]

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6115a1.htm

The adults who chose to forgo their vaccination shouldn't be surprised, but you have to feel bad for those kids who got measles because their parents are boneheads.

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I'm on your side with this, but believe me - those parents think we are boneheads and they have it justified pretty well. I guess it's a personal decision.

 

[facetguy]

I had seen this study where pertussis vaccine was found to be unexpectedly ineffective between ages 8-12:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22423127

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/243719.php

The OP's link related to measles, not pertussis, and obviously the vaccines are different. But I couldn't help but wonder how many cases of pertussis get blamed on unvaccinated kids when in reality it's the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of the pertussis vaccine that is at fault. Perhaps we'll come to find something similar with measles vaccine, who knows.

 

[SpecterGT260]

I'm on your side with this, but believe me - those parents think we are boneheads and they have it justified pretty well. I guess it's a personal decision.

how are you defining "justified"?

 

[SpecterGT260]

I had seen this study where pertussis vaccine was found to be unexpectedly ineffective between ages 8-12:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22423127

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/243719.php

The OP's link related to measles, not pertussis, and obviously the vaccines are different. But I couldn't help but wonder how many cases of pertussis get blamed on unvaccinated kids when in reality it's the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of the pertussis vaccine that is at fault. Perhaps we'll come to find something similar with measles vaccine, who knows.

Efficacy was still 25% in that age range. What is the OR for any negative side effect of the vaccine? Any discussion of herd immunity aside (as a confounder) I feel like if I was told I had a 25% shot of immunity with current dose vs a negligible chance of some arbitrary side effect Id definitely go for it.

 

[facetguy]

Efficacy was still 25% in that age range. What is the OR for any negative side effect of the vaccine? Any discussion of herd immunity aside (as a confounder) I feel like if I was told I had a 25% shot of immunity with current dose vs a negligible chance of some arbitrary side effect Id definitely go for it.

I'm not arguing that one should forego the vaccines. I'm saying that what we thought was a very effective vaccine vs. pertussis turned out to not be so effective, at least in that particular age range (and at least according to that particular study). Prior to that knowledge, we might be tempted to look at data and conclude that all those kids either weren't vaccinated or got pertussis due to lack of community vaccination. This is all conjecture of course.