Not Sure Who To Believe

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  1. Dr JPH

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    Hey all.

    As you know I will be attending PCOM next year (Class of 2006).

    Now that I have cleared this hurdle, I am finding that there are many more in the future that I did not anticipate.

    There has been a recent accumulation of posts on here highlighting the negative aspects of Osteopathic residencies, or the difficulty of DO grads gaining competitive, high quality residency spots.

    I want to attend PCOM, not only because it is an Osteopathic school, but because I really like the school itself. I told myself I would make my decision based on which school I felt best about and PCOM was that place.

    But now I am worried about the future. I am confident that I will gain a top quality education at PCOM, but what about after that?

    What about getting a top residency spot, particularly in an allopathic institution? What about an attending spot at an allopathic hospital if I do indeed do an osteopathic residency?

    What if I want to do Cardiology or Surgery? I also have heard that there are fewer "quality" Emergency medicine residencies around that one might think.

    I know, I know...people say to get good grades and do well on the boards. But is that all it takes?

    I have been outspoken to premeds and my fellow med school acceptancees about osteopathic medicine and how I feel it will gain more notariety in the future. Now I am confused.

    Is this really the truth, or is this just what I have been lead to beleive by those who were denying a harsh reality?

    Looking for some knowledgable and truthful answers if there are any out there.

    Thanks.
     
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  3. jhug

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    you can find many DO's in various competitive residencies and practices. What we've seen on some of these posts are people who didn't apply themselves enough in preparing for medical school and didn't end up where they may have wanted, and are now not applying themselves enough to make a name for themselves and get the residency they want. This is the harsh reality! Look at their reaction to someone who did actually achieve what they set out to accomplish-- "your living in a dream world"....no, you are living in MY dream world, i'm just too lazy to actually achieve it!! If you work your guts out and really impress those with whom you will work-- you will have no problem ending up where you want-- just take FULL advantage of every opportunity that comes your way to prove how good you really are and don't listen to all the negativity. Congrats on the acceptance and best to you!
     
  4. macman

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    Hear, hear to the previous post. Personnally I think I have a better shot at a competititve specialty b/c I am a big fish in a little pond (within the DO realm). At my school I rank a lot higher in my class than if I went to UMass med, one school I considered. You can achieve only as much as you are willing to work for, whether MD or DO.

    Where do you think health is moving/going? I see myself filling a great niche that MDs have a tougher time doing. If all you want to do is write scripts (not MD bashing here, you can be a great doc regardless of title) then you'll just be bored with parts of the DO education. I plan to use OMM/OPP to my patients health benefit and, admitedly, my own financial benefit. Medicine is not what it used to be in terms of $, so if you aren't unique, what are you? Slave to an HMO? If osteopathic medicine got you excited when you researched it, do not let someone take that fire away from you!
     
  5. tBw

    tBw totally deluded

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JPHazelton:
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    I have been outspoken to premeds and my fellow med school acceptancees about osteopathic medicine and how I feel it will gain more notariety in the future. Now I am confused.

    </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Osteopaths gaining more "notoriety" ha ha, this cracked me up -

    notoriety

    \No`to*ri"e*ty\, n. [Cf. F. notori['e]t['e]. See Notorious.] n : the state of being known for some unfavorable act or quality [syn: ill fame] -- commonly used in an unfavorable sense; as, the
    notoriety of a crime.
    Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, ? 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc.

    For the record, I don't think anyone has expressed it better than jhug did above. There are detractors in every field, including MD. Unfortuantely in DO there are people that went into it because they really wanted MD and have never made peace with that decision. These people are invariably vocally disgruntled. Don't get me wrong - there are also problems with the AOA that I doubt even the most die-hard DO would deny. But I think there is plenty of evidence of people doing just find despite the "disadvantage" of DO in an allopathic medical world. Choose the field you want, and accept that it (and you) will have your own unique set of pleasures and problems wherever you end up.
     
  6. Dr JPH

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    I agree that I did not consult a dictionary prior to my post.

    I apologize for any inconvenience that this may have caused to those who read it.

    :D
     
  7. tBw

    tBw totally deluded

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    well, I hope you realize my response was posted in good spirit not (okay and now I need a thesaurus cos I can't think of the word I want...!) to quibble, to split hairs, to be excessively precise..damnit what is that word!??

    I just thought it was funny as what you said meant the exact opposite of what I think you intended to say...

    <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
     
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    JP -

    I work in a major nyc hospital. I know four of the cardiologists on staff are DO - all interventional & well-respected - I realize this is anecdotal but in talking to them it all comes down to the same thing: excel at the occasions where all medstudents are ostensibly on a level field, ie boards, rotations, interviews etc. You want to be chief of pediatric neurosurgery at Stanford? PCOM is a bad idea (As is, probably, MCP-Hahnemann). Otherwise you'll do fine as long as you maintain your passion and interest for medicine. You have many things yet in your life - and what kind of medicine you have occasion to practice will - as time and your life grow - be just a part of a greater jp hazelton whole.
     
  9. David511

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    Josh,

    I say go with what your heart tells you. If you have serious reservations about going DO, deal with them. This is a big decision, one that will shape the rest of your life. Make sure that what you do is right for you.

    On the other hand, I've dealt with the feelings you're having now. I think most entering DO students do. What it comes down to, at least in my mind, is a simple case of cold feet.

    It's like you're standing there at the alter next to the girl of your dreams, and you're hesitating because you're thinking back to that one day at the bar when some a$$hole said your wife-to-be had a big ass, and now you're thinking that you don't want to have a wife with a big ass, as so you're getting all confused and panicky. But the truth is that guy was just badmouthing your chick because he was insecure (and perhaps a little jealous?) and wanted to put you down so he could boost his own faltering ego.

    Did that make any sense?

    Anyways, the barriers that DOs face are to me just another reason to work harder. I may be just a naive M1, but I feel that as a DO I will have a world of opportunities awaiting me when I graduate. As with life in general, I'll have to work my ass off to take advantage of them. That's something I'm willing to do. Are you?
     
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    David and others.

    Your responses really do make sense to me.

    I know that becoming a DO is right for me. I am certain that PCOM is right for me. And I am also confident that I will be able to do well in medical school.

    I think I may be questioning everything only because for a long time people told me that I would never even get into a medical school. I knew that I could and I worked so that I could.

    Now I'm just looking at the situation where people are telling me what I can (and cannot) do again.

    Although my future lies with me only, I'm a bit tired of people placing limits on someone based on numbers, letters, or in this case, choice of medical school.

    And again, I am truly excited about the opportunities that lie ahead. I hope that I can become a great physician that can provide complete care to patients.

    JPH
     
  11. David511

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    Good to hear, Josh. You scared me a bit there, after all, your posts regarding the DO profession gave me the courage to take this route.

    And, may I say, I have yet to regret my decision. DO and proud.
     

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