Originally posted by JasonGreen
Why resort to kindergarten tactics? How about this kindergarten tactic...if you think I'm such an idiot, challenge me on any medical topic. Better yet, challange me on anything anesthetic related. I mean, if anything, I know more pertaining to the actual procedure than you do. I know a few squirts of blood across the ether screen might make you feel involved, but those aren't your elbows, elbow-deep in someones gut trying to stop a bleeding spleen.
So, funny thing happened today. I'm doing a cleft palate and I look over the ether screen and what do I see? A CRNA teaching an MD resident about anesthesia. What a waste of the residents time, huh?
And the funny thing is, how this "bitter stocker boy" is riling up an Anesthesiologist. You are an Anesthesiologist, aren't you?
The kindergarten tactics were more directed at good 'ol Mac then you, he likes to mouth off about stuff he know nothing about about. I had a long argument with him on this topic, and it was very frustrating, he is a master of circular logic, and ignoring any evidence that is contrary to his opinion. As for the rest of it, I am not trying so say CRNA's know nothing, or that surgical techs know nothing, but your orginal posts were to come onto a board meant for MDA's and to say that MDA's are worthless because nurses can do it all, and at the same time you wanted to point out that AA's are nothing compared to CRNA's
Did you think that wouldn't piss people off, telling them that all their education is worthless? If you say that wasn't your intention you are either a fool or a liar. Maybe you do know alot about procedures by virtue of watching them, but so does any MDA, or resident, and they know alot more as well. I've gotten alot more than a few drops of blood on me in medschool alone, we rotate through all the fields, surg, ER, medicine, and so on. Whatever you may think, it is at least as rigiorous as whatever you did in nursing school. And before any practical experience I spent 2 years leaning anatomy, pathology, pharm, microbiology, biochem, and a dozen other classes crammed into too small a span of time. I've worked with AA's and they get pretty adept at procedures too, you can learn most any procedure pretty quickly, but I recognize that they don't have as much training as nurses.
Before that I completed my bachelors in chemistry. You should open a physical chem book some day, and work on all the thermodynamics equations and quantam mechanics. I learned all that before I started any medical training, Do you want me to quiz you on any of that? I would but I doubt you've taken Calc 3. You are very quick to dismiss all this training, but even quicker to emphasize the training nurses have over AA's.
So what should I quiz you? I suppose pharmacology and physio are the most relavant here. Define minumum alveolar concentration. Explain an action potential. Tell me about the different acetylcholine receptors in nervious system. Explain how local anesthetics work to block pain and not touch. Explain why NO2 can't be used in the OR, despite its effectiveness. Explain fetal circulation. Explain how norepinephrine and epinephrine differ in the body. Tell me about all the different pumps on a nephron, and which drugs can be used on each. This is just some of the stuff MDA's learn in the first year of medical school, and we learn it in excruciating detail. Then once we have mastered it, we move on to clinical years where we learn to apply it. At that point we do get a chance to put our hands in peoples abdomens, and we do get some blood on us.
Let me know how much of this you have learned, then we can move to more complicated stuff in the in the first, and even second year of medschool, and then we can try some clinical stuff. It might intrest you know that an MDA has about 3-4 times the hours of OR experience in his residency than a CRNA does in her/his program, and then there are the many years of education before that. I suppose their is nothing keeping you from simply looking up the answers on the net, and cut and pasting them, but I hope you gain some appreciation of what goes into an MD degree, and realize there is something we gain there beyond what you can get by having blood splashed on you.
