NRI Considering Medical School in India : Questions

[Mr.DNR]

Hi,

I'm an NRI, in my last year of CBSE (12th Standard) . I want to pursue medicine as a character ... but I have a plethora of queries .. the more I search, the more puzzled I become.
So, here goes my query bombardments ... I hope they are answered !

From, what I've read, becoming a neuro/cardiologist if done the american way takes over 12 years (this is from heresay .... 4 + 4 Pre-med+3 Specialization + 2 superspecialization)
At the end of this, what degree will I have?

Doing MBBS in India (4.5 years + 1 yr internship = 5.5 yrs + 2yrs specialization = 7.5 yrs). This has been the KEY factor in making me consider india as a place to learn ... I really want to start practising and breaking the monotony of student life.
Also, I found the fees in the American colleges to be quite expensive... and the thought of building up so much in loans wouldn't let me enjoy my college experience.


Many people have told me that NRI's have to pay HUGE amounts in donations to get into a medical college. Is this true? Aren't there any normal college's where despite me being an NRI ... I can appear for a common Entrance Exam and try to find a seat?
I'm not a genius , but I would surely work hard ... if that's what it takes to get a seat, on merit and not paying HUGE donations.
How much approximately, would I have to pay for a basic undergraudate degree at an MCI recognized college? (are deemed colleges worth risking into? or is MCI recognized a safer bet?)

Could you'll recommend any good college's, that don't take prohibitive donations?
I've read tons about AIIMS , but I doubt I could ever have a shot there

*Armed Forces Medical College (AFMC), Pune - I've heard this is a great college ... is it hard to get into? I believe we have to serve in the military though?


A few others, I've heard are:

*Kasturba Medical College, Mangalore
*Maulana Azad Medical College (MAMC), Delhi
*Bharati Vidyapeeth Pune
*BJ Medical College, Pune
*Rajiv Gandhi University of Health Sciences
*SSR Medical College
*Mahatma Gandhi Institure of Medical Sciences


I basically, posted names of colleges in Mumbai / Pune ... cause I have a house in Pune, so it would be closeby. I don't mind living in an hostel, if the college is superior academically.

Could anyone already entered/finished Medical school, outline the procedure to follow? ... After my 12th board exams , should I come in India and directly start appyling (? whats the procedure? specific time for entrace tests?) or do I wait for my board marks to come out? ... does admission depend on the marks I got in my 10th or 12th board?

Lastly, are there sufficient seats for PG in India? ... After getting an Indian MBBS degree ... can I do my specialization elsewhere (America?) ... and maybe after doing by PG there ... finally then come to India to practise?


-DNR

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[Mr.DNR]

lol ... no replies. I'm guessing thats cause too many questions?

 

[durfen]

lol ... no replies. I'm guessing thats cause too many questions?

I think most people think that if you can go to a US allopathic school even Meharry has a better chance of getting into a good residency than Apollo, no years of waiting for taking the USMLE and green card and all the other crap...plus the rather large preference for US grads.

Plus most people here are in the US and know nothing about Indian med schools. Some do know, but certainly not me.

Edit: Other thing, taking a few extra years doesn't matter. God, you're going to work for 40-50 years man, what's 5?

 

[Mr.DNR]

Wow, finally a reply!

Durfen, I don't live in America ... I live in a small city in the United Arab Emirates. I have no knowledge of the medical schools there.

Hmm, I get what you mean about the work term ... I dunno how to put this in a more apt way ... I love learning new stuff , but not in a controlled examinationed manner ... cause, that always stresses me out. I mean, there are stuff that I actually went intensenely searching for and they stick in my brain ...

Thanks for your reply though ... if anyone else is reading this and has knowledge of the admission process + fees for NRIs ... do reply.


-DNR

 

[Mr.DNR]

Hmm, I was going through this forum and I came across a list of what I was looking for

1. Aiims ( All India Institute Of Medical Sciences. )-->new Delhi
2. Kasturba Medical College ( Manipal ).--> Karnataka
3. Sri Ramachandra Medical College.--> Chennai
4. Ms Ramaiah Medical College--> Bangalore
5. Kempegowda Institute Of Medical Sciences.--> Bangalore
6. Bharatiya Vidyapeeth Medical College.---> Pune
7. Dayanand Patil Medical College.---> Mumbai
8. Pravara Institute Of Medical Sciences.---> Mumbai

This was something exactly what I was looking for ... cause, offhand I know the best colleges for All India would go like, but this is catered toward the NRI crowd.

*AIIMS
*JIPMER
*CMC Vellore

If anyone of you'll are aware of how Bharatiya Vidyapeeth Medical College is, please do write your views.


-DNR

 

[uhoh!]

In my opinion, your situation has more layers to it than the simple "US-
NRI" trying to become a doc the "quick way". Now, I dont know about your plans for "Neuro/cardiology" which, to me, sounds like you are idolizing some branches before you even get into Med School. A few facts to start off...
1. Timelines: In India, its 5.5 years med school. Then 3 years Int Med residency, followed by 2 years senior residency at least. I am not too sure about how to go about doing a super specialization there, but you might want to find out. In any case, its 10+ years to become a "super specialist", cloak, costume and all.
Neurology in the US is a 5 year residency program (1 Int Med/transitional year + 4 years neuro straight up), after the 4 years Med School that is. Cardio is 3 years, I think, after the 3 years of an Int Med residency, but again, I'm not sure. I dont think time should be a factor in making your decision, as medicine as a profession involves a truckload of studies through your lifetime, be it in Med school, residency, or practice. 1 year more her and there hardly count, as long as you get to do what you want..

2. Colleges: Its true that NRIs might end up paying a mini fortune for getting into, and studying in, some private med school. However, your situation is different, as you are doing the CBSE for your high school. As far as I recall, you guys have a few seats reserved (the NRI quota, I think) for the All India Pre-Med test conducted by the CBSE. Its not that they love you more, but that you have passed out of the CBSE system, albeit from a different country. Check on that. If it is still true, that pretty much gives you a free run for any of the Med colleges around India you might get a good enough rank to qualify for. Dont restrict yourself to the ones you have mentioned, and begin studying your butt off asap.

3. The Bottom line: ie $$$. Its waaay lower than in the US for sure. I was spending more a month for my food/fuel/booze than I spent for a year's tuition fee. On the other hand, you aren't in the same position as the US school kids as you arent part of that system, and going there for under-grad is going to be as tough as for kids from India.

4. The long haul: It is a tough 5.5 years, followed by a tougher period of trying to get into a residency, whether it is in India, or in the US. The direction you choose should be governed in a large part by where you want to settle down and practice in the end. Actually, in either case, I feel that most places in the US are better to train in than the dumps we have in India, but that is another discussion for a different question (namely, where should I go for PG in XYZ field? Ans: Depends on what you want out of life. Being a Board certified resident form the US wont get you a Govt job, but the burgeoning private hospital scene makes that a redundant objection anyway, as I would rather work there for sure. Also, do factor in the reservation scene before jumping the gun and going all out for India. If you think it is bad at the pre-med level, the reservations will break your back during the PG enterances)

My views regarding private colleges are well documented, and I wont go there again. However, as far as I can see, you can sit for the All India exam, though not any particular state's pre-med enterance exam. I guess it sucks, biut there it is. Dont sweat too much about residency right now, as you have more than enough time, once you get into Med School, to worry about that.

I suggest you first look to see where you want to do Med School, and then, after you are a few (say, five) years into it, you can think about what you want to do further, and where you want to do it. Either way, always remember, anything is possible and all avenues are open to everyone. You have to be prepared to pay your dues no matter what.
Feel free to ask any more Qs, and NEVER TAKE ANYONE'S OPINION AS FACT!! Confirm it from independent sources. Always.
Hope this helps!!
Good Luck!!!

 

[durfen]

In my opinion, your situation has more layers to it than the simple "US-
NRI" trying to become a doc the "quick way". Now, I dont know about your plans for "Neuro/cardiology" which, to me, sounds like you are idolizing some branches before you even get into Med School. A few facts to start off...
1. Timelines: In India, its 5.5 years med school. Then 3 years Int Med residency, followed by 2 years senior residency at least. I am not too sure about how to go about doing a super specialization there, but you might want to find out. In any case, its 10+ years to become a "super specialist", cloak, costume and all.
Neurology in the US is a 5 year residency program (1 Int Med/transitional year + 4 years neuro straight up), after the 4 years Med School that is. Cardio is 3 years, I think, after the 3 years of an Int Med residency, but again, I'm not sure. I dont think time should be a factor in making your decision, as medicine as a profession involves a truckload of studies through your lifetime, be it in Med school, residency, or practice. 1 year more her and there hardly count, as long as you get to do what you want..

2. Colleges: Its true that NRIs might end up paying a mini fortune for getting into, and studying in, some private med school. However, your situation is different, as you are doing the CBSE for your high school. As far as I recall, you guys have a few seats reserved (the NRI quota, I think) for the All India Pre-Med test conducted by the CBSE. Its not that they love you more, but that you have passed out of the CBSE system, albeit from a different country. Check on that. If it is still true, that pretty much gives you [/I] AS FACT!! Confirm it from independent sources. Always.
Hope this helps!!
Good Luck!!!

He's in the emirates man.

 

[Mr.DNR]

In my opinion, your situation has more layers to it than the simple "US-
NRI" trying to become a doc the "quick way". Now, I dont know about your plans for "Neuro/cardiology" which, to me, sounds like you are idolizing some branches before you even get into Med School. A few facts to start off...

Hmm, I get what you mean. The truth of the fact is that, in this year I'm torn between career choices ... initially I was tunnel visioned for going into IT. I ended up taking IP instead of Bio and well, most of the practical classes I was merely sitting idle, cause I was already done with the work given. As lame as it sounds, the thought that it was so easy ... made me feel guilty, so I switced to Bio.
I love the subject for one reason, it gives explanations to the various phenomena ... I constantly enjoy understanding whats happening around me

The reason, I decided going the Medical way was

*because I hate monotony in life and reading what I have about doctors... it seems really challenging as oppsoed to a 9-5 engineering job.
*although, the path to being a doctor is intense ... I'll finish out and be doing what I actually like
*I've always wanted to do something that makes an immediate difference, not gradual ... being a doctor allows me to do so.


1. Timelines In India, its 5.5 years med school. Then 3 years Int Med residency, followed by 2 years senior residency at least. I am not too sure about how to go about doing a super specialization there, but you might want to find out. In any case, its 10+ years to become a "super specialist", cloak, costume and all.
Neurology in the US is a 5 year residency program (1 Int Med/transitional year + 4 years neuro straight up), after the 4 years Med School that is. Cardio is 3 years, I think, after the 3 years of an Int Med residency, but again, I'm not sure. I dont think time should be a factor in making your decision, as medicine as a profession involves a truckload of studies through your lifetime, be it in Med school, residency, or practice. 1 year more her and there hardly count, as long as you get to do what you want..

Hmm, thanks for throwing some light on that ... I was under than impression it was 5.5 + 2.
After, the 5.5 yrs, I'll be able to practise as a General Practitioner, right? ... what about after the 3 yrs Internal Medicine ... A General Surgeon?

Argh, what you say about the 1 more year its true ... I realize I was just ranting earlier about exams

2. Colleges: Its true that NRIs might end up paying a mini fortune for getting into, and studying in, some private med school. However, your situation is different, as you are doing the CBSE for your high school. As far as I recall, you guys have a few seats reserved (the NRI quota, I think) for the All India Pre-Med test conducted by the CBSE. Its not that they love you more, but that you have passed out of the CBSE system, albeit from a different country. Check on that. If it is still true, that pretty much gives you a free run for any of the Med colleges around India you might get a good enough rank to qualify for. Dont restrict yourself to the ones you have mentioned, and begin studying your butt off asap.

So I'm elligible for writing the All India Entrance. There aren't any individual college entraces with the NRI quota?

4. The long haul: It is a tough 5.5 years, followed by a tougher period of trying to get into a residency, whether it is in India, or in the US. The direction you choose should be governed in a large part by where you want to settle down and practice in the end. Actually, in either case, I feel that most places in the US are better to train in than the dumps we have in India, but that is another discussion for a different question (namely, where should I go for PG in XYZ field? Ans: Depends on what you want out of life. Being a Board certified resident form the US wont get you a Govt job, but the burgeoning private hospital scene makes that a redundant objection anyway, as I would rather work there for sure. Also, do factor in the reservation scene before jumping the gun and going all out for India. If you think it is bad at the pre-med level, the reservations will break your back during the PG enterances)

My views regarding private colleges are well documented, and I wont go there again. However, as far as I can see, you can sit for the All India exam, though not any particular state's pre-med enterance exam. I guess it sucks, biut there it is. Dont sweat too much about residency right now, as you have more than enough time, once you get into Med School, to worry about that.

Hmm, from what I've read, I agree with you that Government college generally churn out better students ... the main reason is that since they have free clinics and thus they have a plethora of patients to treat ... nothing can compare to the no. you get with free treatment.

Did you do your Pre-Med in a private / goverment college in India? Did you do your PG there too? ... How was your experience on the whole?

I suggest you first look to see where you want to do Med School, and then, after you are a few (say, five) years into it, you can think about what you want to do further, and where you want to do it. Either way, always remember, anything is possible and all avenues are open to everyone. You have to be prepared to pay your dues no matter what.
Feel free to ask any more Qs, and NEVER TAKE ANYONE'S OPINION AS FACT!! Confirm it from independent sources. Always.
Hope this helps!!
Good Luck!!!

Hmm, I'm pretty sure if I'll do Medical ... I'll be doing it in India.
True, I'll actually have a robust Idea as to what I want to specialize once I'm actually in Medicine.

Thanks a tonne man, appreciate the effort.

-DNR

 

[uhoh!]

Durfen: I guessed he is in the Emirates, as he said as much himself. Even so, the fact that he's doing his high school under the CBSE system should render him eligible to take the All India Pre-Med enterance exam, as far as my understanding goes.

DNR: No problem, dude. All I hope is to give you the truth from where I stand.
I was born and raised in India. I did my med school in a govt college in New Delhi, adn am now doing my residency in Pathology. I entered Med school purely on the basis of my love for Biology, as I had already done a few months in an engg college in Delhi to know that definitely is NOT for me. So far, I have NO complaints whatsoever. You are right, it is a great field where not only do you satisfy your intellectual urge to know more about yourself and the world, you also end up helping a lot of people directly while doing what you love. What more could one ask for from their profession?

I am not saying 100% you are eligible for the exams, since it has been 7 years since I gave those exams. However, I seem to recall something in the prospectus about NRI students from CBSE-affiliated schools who are not only eligible, but also have a few reserved seats. However, 7 years is a long time, and I hope you check it out before taking my words as the gospel. I was offering this a san addition to whatever exams you were planning to take as an NRI, so in effect it broadens your choice as to where you can go.

In the opinions of several, the best combination is to train in the worst, most burdened and over-worked areas, and then work in the most relaxed environment. In india that means doing MBBS/MD from a govt hosp and then working in a pvt setup. I saw during my internship that the kind of training I wanted/was expected to have were hard to come by in India, esp in Pathology where there was a huge incongruency between how you are trained v/s what the best gigs in pvt hospitals want from their pathologists. I was also that rare breed who wasn't enamoured by the clinical branches (though I didnt suck at them, let me assure you), yet loved medicine. No question, having trained in the US, your value does go up several notches in the pvt gigs in India. How else would you explain people who have completed their PG there being willing to give it all up to start over and begin residency in the US?

My opinion of the training as an MBBS in india is that, as anywhere else, it is ENTIRELY upto what you make of it. Put in the work required, stay focussed (but not become a geek), and you will emerge as among the best physicians in the world, no matter where you study. Take the easy way out more often than not, and you might be an AIIMSonian, but will still suck. In the end, people see what you as a person are orth, and the reputation of a place will follow you only for so long, for better or for worse. I loved my college years, and have nothing but great memories, exam-time horrors notwithstanding. Whatever you do, where ever you go, never forget: as you sow, so shall you reap.

Hope this helps!!

 

[Mr.DNR]

Hmm, I see .... thanks once again and best of luck with your residency!

 

[simply_me]

Would anyone please help me too...
I live in BC, Canada... I m also considering to do my medical studies in India... after that, would it be possible to come back to Canada for residency and practice here??

 

[dggopal]

hi simply...
Yeah you can come to india to do medicine and then go back to canada... a friend of mine is here from canada doin medicine and is plannin on goin back so I doudt it will be a problem... I'm not too sure about the process but i assume you would have to take some tests like the usmle's to get recognised.... I suggest you research the college you want to go to in india and make sure is recognised by the MCI( medical council of india) and then you really take a look at indian life where ever that college is located... because I can say for a fact that it takes some adjusting to... I'm from Los Angeles and I go to KIMS in bangalore... it took me some time to settle down but its pretty fun now... anways ill talk to my friend about the specifics and get back to you...

 

[simply_me]

hi dggopal...

thanx a lot for the response. i appreciate that!! if possible, could u give me some more info abt indian college lifestyle?
thanx

 

[dggopal]

sup simply... indian college lifestyle huh? Iono man... its different here... Im in 3rd year now so ive had time to adjust but the first 6 months were a bit difficult cuz you have to adjust to a lot... but yeah i mean once you get used to the small changes things are pretty much the same... I really cant tell you or explain to you what exactly it will be like cuz you have to experience it for yourself... but some things that i can think of are...
the teachers and the whole system is a lot more formal... like you will call your teacher sir and you will stnd when he come into the room... and thus your relationship with the teacher cant be that close...
Learning in India... well at least for me.. and im guessing all other nri's... is a self study process... class doesnt help with anything but the attendance... i mean you will learn in class but you really just gotta study on ur own... and you go to school on saturdays till one too... that really surprised me...
other than that like i really dont know... maybe if you be a little more specific i can let you know... just pm or post here and ill get back to you...

 

[dggopal]

by the way... i just remembered... simply.. you can study here... but you gotta do ur residency in the states and then you can practice in canada....

 

[simply_me]

thanx dggopal for all ur help...
if i have any more questions, i'll let u know
good luck for ur future...!

 

[rs111]

Hi

You mention you go to KIMS. I just wanted to know how much is the cost of fees, donation and the sort? I am wary of the prices the agents are asking me.

Please help

rs

hi simply...
Yeah you can come to india to do medicine and then go back to canada... a friend of mine is here from canada doin medicine and is plannin on goin back so I doudt it will be a problem... I'm not too sure about the process but i assume you would have to take some tests like the usmle's to get recognised.... I suggest you research the college you want to go to in india and make sure is recognised by the MCI( medical council of india) and then you really take a look at indian life where ever that college is located... because I can say for a fact that it takes some adjusting to... I'm from Los Angeles and I go to KIMS in bangalore... it took me some time to settle down but its pretty fun now... anways ill talk to my friend about the specifics and get back to you...

 

[dggopal]

yeah for sure... dunno what the price is now but i paid 35 lakhs for my seat... but ive heard people paying a lot more... hope that helps...

 

[sga430]

there is great chance u will not get cardio if u go to india. go to america and forget about this accounting u do. there is no great advantage in being a Doogie Howser. starting residency at 26 years is young enough. try and take short cuts and u will be burned. do ur 4 years under grad in the us. if u dont get in then go to east europe or the carribean. avoid india at all costs.

Hi,

I'm an NRI, in my last year of CBSE (12th Standard) . I want to pursue medicine as a character ... but I have a plethora of queries .. the more I search, the more puzzled I become.
So, here goes my query bombardments ... I hope they are answered !

From, what I've read, becoming a neuro/cardiologist if done the american way takes over 12 years (this is from heresay .... 4 + 4 Pre-med+3 Specialization + 2 superspecialization)
At the end of this, what degree will I have?

Doing MBBS in India (4.5 years + 1 yr internship = 5.5 yrs + 2yrs specialization = 7.5 yrs). This has been the KEY factor in making me consider india as a place to learn ... I really want to start practising and breaking the monotony of student life.
Also, I found the fees in the American colleges to be quite expensive... and the thought of building up so much in loans wouldn't let me enjoy my college experience.


Many people have told me that NRI's have to pay HUGE amounts in donations to get into a medical college. Is this true? Aren't there any normal college's where despite me being an NRI ... I can appear for a common Entrance Exam and try to find a seat?
I'm not a genius , but I would surely work hard ... if that's what it takes to get a seat, on merit and not paying HUGE donations.
How much approximately, would I have to pay for a basic undergraudate degree at an MCI recognized college? (are deemed colleges worth risking into? or is MCI recognized a safer bet?)

Could you'll recommend any good college's, that don't take prohibitive donations?
I've read tons about AIIMS , but I doubt I could ever have a shot there

*Armed Forces Medical College (AFMC), Pune - I've heard this is a great college ... is it hard to get into? I believe we have to serve in the military though?


A few others, I've heard are:

*Kasturba Medical College, Mangalore
*Maulana Azad Medical College (MAMC), Delhi
*Bharati Vidyapeeth Pune
*BJ Medical College, Pune
*Rajiv Gandhi University of Health Sciences
*SSR Medical College
*Mahatma Gandhi Institure of Medical Sciences


I basically, posted names of colleges in Mumbai / Pune ... cause I have a house in Pune, so it would be closeby. I don't mind living in an hostel, if the college is superior academically.

Could anyone already entered/finished Medical school, outline the procedure to follow? ... After my 12th board exams , should I come in India and directly start appyling (? whats the procedure? specific time for entrace tests?) or do I wait for my board marks to come out? ... does admission depend on the marks I got in my 10th or 12th board?

Lastly, are there sufficient seats for PG in India? ... After getting an Indian MBBS degree ... can I do my specialization elsewhere (America?) ... and maybe after doing by PG there ... finally then come to India to practise?


-DNR

 

[skrishnaus]

Can someone doing or that has done med school at SRMC pls private message PM me on this website?
I live in Illinois and am considering going to SRMC in the fall of 2008
Kris

 

[Black eyed girl]

Wow, finally a reply!

Durfen, I don't live in America ... I live in a small city in the United Arab Emirates. I have no knowledge of the medical schools there.

Hmm, I get what you mean about the work term ... I dunno how to put this in a more apt way ... I love learning new stuff , but not in a controlled examinationed manner ... cause, that always stresses me out. I mean, there are stuff that I actually went intensenely searching for and they stick in my brain ...

Thanks for your reply though ... if anyone else is reading this and has knowledge of the admission process + fees for NRIs ... do reply.


-DNR

Hey,

I studied the CBSE system in the United Arab Emirates too. You could write the Kasturba Medical College entrance exam. KMC accepts students under two categories.

1. The Entrance test category- you can write this whether you are a resident indian or a non resident indian. The fee structure if you get a seat through this category is available at:
http://www.manipal.edu/manipalsite/Users/admissionsubpage.aspx?PgId=14

However, if you attempt the entrance and donot get a seat, it disqualifies you from applying under the NRI quota.

If you are a decent student in CBSe ie a 85% or a 90% plus student with a will to get into medical school, donot worry if you donot make it immediately after your twelveth. You can enroll in a coaching institue like the one at Kota and you'll have a really good chance after a year of intensive coaching. Quite a few of my friends who were 85% plus students in CBSE have entered KMC via this route.

2. The NRI quota- this is on the basis of your CBSE grade 12 marks. The fee is astronomical, however as shown below.
http://www.manipal.edu/manipalsite/Users/admissionsubpage.aspx?PgId=15

KMC, Manipal has a better infrastructure and library facilities than KMC, Mangalore. It is about 70 km from Mangalore and the large student movement from Manipal to Mangalore during vacations etc ensures you'll have company while travelling. However, I am unable to compare the attached teaching hospitals at the two KMCs, Mangalore might have more patients as it is a bigger town compared to Manipal.

 

[Study247]

Hi sga... im a a Canadian citizen, currently in gr.12 ... i just read ur post that one should avoid india at all costs and try to apply for the east european and carribbean uni's for med school or do the 4 yrs of undergrad in canada...but i wanted to know why is that? oh and isn't KMC affliated to AUA in the carribbean? (srry don't mind me im just curious cuz i hav to make a decision pretti soon on which international unis to apply to...so if u cud reply ASAP)

 

[canbrat]

What is Cheapest Nri med school(who approved) ?

I can afford $15k Can per year or 6 lakhs indian ruppe. I guess a total of 30 lakhs .

Do we have to pay it upfront or gradually (per year) ?
Are there any capation cost involved?
What is the difference between NRI and management?

Any college closer to Chennai would be good. Any idea how much it cost for Srm or Annamalai (Rajah Muttaih College)?


I am an indian citizen canadian pr. I am willing to write the entrance exam. Is there any special quota for me.

I called a lot of universities, they asked me to meet them in person. I can fly from Canada just to ask what the fees involved. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[atxresident]

I already did my undergraduate studies in the U.S, and took a 2 years break. can i still take the medical exam? would I have to take some CBSE exam too?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[vinu01061985]

Canbrat,

Nowhere, NRI or Managment admissions take place over phone. There are some mediators to deal with it.

-vinu

 

[Anna chela]

I would like to try for admission in Medical colleges in India. I have completed IGCSE (11 years of school) with 3 Sciences and Mathematics. I am in my 1st year IB programme. IB only allows for 2 sciences and Maths is compulsory. I am taking Chemistry, Biology and Maths at HL. I notice that Indian Medical colleges require 3 sciences (Phy, Chem & Bio). I would like to know if I am eligible for admissions and entrance exams. Please advise.
Thank you

 

[Oregonian12]

Does anybody have any info on MS Ramaiah? I'm thinking of going there.

 

[Oregonian12]

Does anybody have more info on MS Ramaiah? I'm thinking of going there.

 

[dggopal]

yea I know about Ramaiah... I have a lot of friends going there and I know the admissions staff too... What would you like to know?

 

[Oregonian12]

I was just worried about the educational difference. Is it a lot harder than the US? What determines your grade there? i mean i know that there is a test at the end of every semester (6 months) but is that the only thing that determines your whole grade??? How indetail are the subjects, like I know the first semester has anatomy, physiology, and biochem, i've taken a college college anatomy class before is it a lot different than that?? What type of questions are on the exams?

 

[Oregonian12]

oh yeah. I was wondering. Do you know anything about BDS in ms Ramaiah. Is it easier the mbbs? and are there any nri students that do BDS in ramaiah because i looked up the nri's that applied last year at raghiv ghandhi univeristies homepage and no nri's applied. Why is that?

 

[babaganish8500]

Hey, Oregonian

I am a NRI student from the US studying in KMC mangalore...
To answer your questions:
1) A lot harder than US? Yes, I have done college courses in the US at a private and reputable university in my town. I took Advanced biology(201) and advanced chemistry (201) Tough courses by American standards but a JOKE when compared to Indian standards...
2) Your grades depends on your brown nosing skills and nothing else, I have seen with my own eyes a prof giving better marks to a student that doesn't deserve it just because they are licking his ***... But that doesn't mean you don't need study in order to pass... You have to work 50 times hards than you did in your classes in the US to get similar grades. And you have one shot at the end of your year to pass your exams. Its called the university exams. 2 papers per subject covering about half the total course work in that year. You will have 3 mid terms (internals in india) to account for 10% of your total score for the final.
3) The first year subjects won't be too difficult for your due to your experience but you will still have to study hard to pass. Bio chem is usually the toughest of the 3. If you want a sample question paper then these are some of the questions asked in my examination when I was in first year...
A) Breast, blood supply, lymph drainage, and nerve supply (8 pts)
B) Lymphatic drainage of the stomach (5 pts)
C) Brachial Plexus (5 pts)
D) Branches of facial artery (5 pts)
E) Anatomy and blood supply of thyriod (5 pts)
F) Deltoid muscle

Keep in mind that all these questions are written questions and no matter how well you write them you will NEVER get the full pts on any question. That is a FACT, you can ask anyone at any medical college in India... lol

I wish you the best of luck if you decide to go to India.
Let me know if you want to know anything else...

I was just worried about the educational difference. Is it a lot harder than the US? What determines your grade there? i mean i know that there is a test at the end of every semester (6 months) but is that the only thing that determines your whole grade??? How indetail are the subjects, like I know the first semester has anatomy, physiology, and biochem, i've taken a college college anatomy class before is it a lot different than that?? What type of questions are on the exams?

 

[Oregonian12]

Thank you for the reply babaganish!!!
That helps a lot! By the way those example questions you gave me are those essay questions...like you kind of free-write whatever about those topics? And im not an amazing student i take a lot of ap classes but my gpa is only around 3.5 (unweighted) is that good enough to survive in India????

 

[babaganish8500]

hey oregonian,
yeah those questions are essay questions. You have to pretty much write anything you know about those topics with suitable diagrams. I took AP composition 12 A and B those are reading and writing classes with a 5 page paper due every 3 to 4 days and I took AP government and I got a 3.0 overall... I wasn't a fabulous student either....lol if you are asking weather you will get accepted into Manipal than by all means a 3.5 is great and you won't have a problem getting an admission... You are an NRI money is what gets you the admission here. I know Manipal has increased their fees for 2008 and 2009 class that is being admitted. If you are asking me if you can pass your exams here, its a whole another experience here. I have seen UCLA students drop out because they couldn't pass and I have seen Bihari's pass with ease by memorizing the text and reproducing on the paper without ever being able to pronounce the words that they were writing... LOL I have passes my anatomy exam my first time around because of my biology class but physio and bio chem were bad for me... But for NRI students from US, i would really keep in mind that VERY few of us will pass with the class that u came in with... But as far as you surviving in India with your current student skills, I really can't say, you have to see for your self, everyone is different. Maybe you have the ability to memorize things in which case you will pass but if you are in the american mindset where the education is based on broad understanding and not memorization of minute details and HUGE latin names then I am sorry but i fear you might not fair so well. That is just my experience with the people i have met here.

Question for you, Are you looking at manipal pretty seriously? In which case if you are wondering about the clinical experience, I say choose mangalore campus because we have a 2 HUGE govt hospitals and a private hospital that we do our rounds in and from what I have heard from my friends in Manipal they say they don't see ANY patients... where as here, if you really stay motivated and can learn the local languages (yes, plural. 4 main ones are spoken here) I see 8 patients on an average day depending on the department. Some are busier than others.

Thank you for the reply babaganish!!!
That helps a lot! By the way those example questions you gave me are those essay questions...like you kind of free-write whatever about those topics? And im not an amazing student i take a lot of ap classes but my gpa is only around 3.5 (unweighted) is that good enough to survive in India????

 

[rb10]

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[dggopal]

I would say you would be better off coming to Bangalore to study seeing that its a bigger city which means 2 things:
- Better clinical experience : a big city equals more patients which equals more clinical exposure... and imo it beats manipal any day. I hear that manipal pays patients to come to their hospital so students can learn but thats just what I've heard... dunno if its true
- secondly since its a big city you have stuff to do when you aren't studying. Being an avg student and an american who had a healthy social life despite being relatively studious back home, I know that I need to unwind after a day in college and in between studying. Being in a bigger city gives me more opportunities to do that. I have friends at Manipal that come to bangalore and they tell me that they wish they came to bangalore like me cuz the food in manipal sucks... no Mc Donalds, subway, ect.... and nothing reallly to do. I'm not saying that bangalore is like being at home but it definitely seems better than Mangalore to me....
Hope that helps

 

[Oregonian12]

babaganish8500 and dggopal,
Yes i am pretty serious about coming, thats why i even spent the time to come visit the place. I just started applying and when i called kmc they told me all their nri seats were full, for both mangalore and manipal!! So i kind of lucked out on that : ( but now im disputing on whether i should do the international program at mainpal or go to ms ramaiah in bangalore. I like the international program bcuz it's on "the safe side", i dont have to worry about the difference in teaching since its american styled teaching,
there is a better chance of resideny since i wont be a "foreign" graduate, and they prepare you in new york for the usmle's. I like ms ramaiah because i really wanted the full indian experience which i wouldn't get in manipal, i think i will be able to concentrate more on studies since there are less nri's, and its in a big city (like dggopal) said more to do. I dont know what to do though, they both have there good and bad points. .

 

[anusugu]

if you compare Ramaiah medical college,KIMS, videhi medical college,JSS medical colleges, which college is better? Videhi medical college web site looks good. Does any one go there?

 

[dggopal]

its hard to say which college is best or which one is better.... but as I have said before coming to a big city is a plus so KIMS and Ramaiah have that benefit... and the weather is nicer in Bangalore so that is another bonus for KIMS and Ramaiah. Coming to the actual college I think the teaching staff at KIMS is better than Ramaiah. At KIMS the teachers are at least fair to the NRI's. They are approachable at least.... Friends at Ramaiah tell me that the teachers there hate NRI's and the pass rate among NRI's is not high on a first attempt. Lots of NRI's are failed just because they are NRI.
KIMS just came up with a newly constructed college so their facilities are really nice right now... as they are pretty much brand new.... that is the college not the hospital.
JSS college is in Chennai.... The weather there sucks... and I hear that there is a lot of discrimination against north Indians as well as NRI's. ONe of my friends was detained for 3 years at that college... They just kept failing her for no reason... but that may be an isolated incident. The college campus is decent from the outside looks of it. Don't know much about the teachers though.
Videhi I just haven't heard of... lol.... I think it has just recently come up as a college... would recommend you go to a more known college....

 

[beckyeo]

MS Ramaiah College requires their students to pay up all the fees for the entire course in one single lump. Seriously, that's already like a hint that the school itself may be should i say..eccentric? What more to say the teaching and administration of the school itself will be then. Maybe the school is good for Indian nationals but for NRI's....well, no one's sure for certain. I think it's good to consider schools that are open towards foreigners as well...

 

[dggopal]

Regarding paying college tuition up front.... Most colleges accepting foreign students in India are like that. And it is like that becuase when we( foreigners) apply we are coming in through the management quota.... and the fees that we are paying is a donation to the college. It's not really a tuition. Thats the same reason we dont have to test to get into the colleges; because we are paying a donation to the college to let us in. It's not just Ramaiah or KIMS (where I am studying)... it's any private medical college in India. Now I have heard of an NRI quota where they accept yearly fees to the tune of 18 grand a year ( this figure is about 5 years old so dunno if its still the same) but most colleges don't admit students under this quota... they give admission under the management quota which has a lot more seats available in it compared to the NRI quota which has only a few seats available in it....

 

[anusugu]

JSS medical college is in Mysore. It is not in Chennai. SRMC is in Chennai.
Mysore has the same good weather as Banglore. I just need more info about the JSS medical college regarding how the staff is? Are there good teachers etc?

 

[Oregonian12]

I visited JSS medical college when I went to Mysore and it seemed to be a very goood college. The building was new and the hostels were clean and they American toilets!!!!lol Regarding the staff i don't know much but my friend goes there and she said that if you are an NRI you shouldn't talk much because you're accent will give up your identity and teachers have a bad impression of NRIs. I heard they raised the fee for this year by a lot though, which could be a good thing since more people are probably interested in attending.

 

[dggopal]

while JSS is a very good college to cinsider academically as the teaching standards are pretty high... I would advise caution to any North Indians considering this college....
Now this may sound wierd but the people of South India generally dont like North Indians... This is especially true in Tamil Nadu... where Jss is... Now this affects you in two ways.... One is that the teachers will discriminate against you for being NRI, which i suppose occurs pretty much in any college in India to a certain degree, but also because your are a northy...
the other way it affects you is that since the people dont like north Indians the patients will not be as cooperative as elsewhere... this will manifest in the form of the patients refusal to speak Hindi ( Now most of your patients won't know hindi or english to begin with but, being a student of KIMS in bangalore i can say that there are a fair share of muslim patients that speak hindi and the occasional patient that speaks english so its not sooo bad), or cooperate with you to allow you to perform a physical examination...
That is how it affects you in college... outside of class you may face discrimination in any form... i would advise North Indians not to go to JSS... instead you can find plenty of colleges in bangalore that are just as good... like KIMS and Ramaiah...

 

[Confusedesi nri]

I am a high school senior and am considering going to india to do my mbbs. I am thinking of either gulbarga or davangere in karnataka.I had a couple of questions to ask. I was wondering how different college is in india as compared to us. Also you said that life is not so easy the first year. Is it because of the independent studying or the rigor of the class. Also is therea lot of raging or teasing of nri students. Like are they looked down upon. So basically what you are saying is you gotta suck up to the teachers to get good grades right? Also are the dorms there separate for nris and locals? Do they have like american style bathrooms or acs or something for the nri's. Sorry for the bombardment of questions, but please help!!!!!

 

[OZMED]

Hey,
Thanks for all the replies from all the current NRIs.
Im thinking off studying Medicine in India as a NRI. Im from Australia and had some queries:
How much Hindi do you need to know to survive?
Are tutition fees/donations required to be paid upfront or annually?
At this stage im thinking off entering mid 2009, and will probably make a trip to India early next year to have a look at a few different colleges.
Ive heard that some private medical colleges dont require a entrance exam, is this true?
Are there any other useful websites for NRIs?
Also post if your planning to enter next yr with details about where, the entry process, etc. It would be good to eventually catch up with other NRIs down the track.
Thanks, Harpal

 

[Muackz]

Howdy all?

You guys are so great to post SO much info here. It helps a lot for people like me who are trying to decide if they should come down to India.

As I don't think I would be able to afford KMC, I think KIMS would be a good option. I went on their website but there isn't any info on the fees for NRI students. Can someone please let me know how much it costs to go to KIMS or to MS Ramaiah? I would be very greatful!

 

[cashmoney4life]

Anna chela is doing the same thing as me i think with bio and chem 2 year coarses
i gota 3.2 gpa at a ib school and rite now im a junior(11th grade)
how is it going to be for me in india
hard or easy looking at my grades
i havnt taken the sat or act yet so i cant inform on that
but i am taking IB biology and IB chemistry
and one more thing
Anna chela are we going to the same school by any chance??? lol

i do have a lot of money so no restrictions in colleges but hows KIMS?

 

[searchlight]

I have had a difficult time getting info on KMC Mangalore. Finally found someone who is a student there. There is a lot of info on Manipal but not much on Mangalore campus. Wanted to know how many US NRIs are generally taken every year at Mangalore kmc campus. I have just graduated from a US high school and have admission at Mangalore and need to make a decision soon. How are the hostel rooms, are they singles with AC attached baths etc? Food? Cultural scene? Do US NRIs adjust well to how Professors teach? How are the US NRIs perceived by the locals? Do they socialize etc? Are there students from other countries as well? How would you compare Mangalore vs Manipal in terms of all the above questions?? Would appreciate a quick reply like in the next few days as I will have to send the money to reserve my spot!! Thanks!

Hey, Oregonian

I am a NRI student from the US studying in KMC mangalore...
To answer your questions:
1) A lot harder than US? Yes, I have done college courses in the US at a private and reputable university in my town. I took Advanced biology(201) and advanced chemistry (201) Tough courses by American standards but a JOKE when compared to Indian standards...
2) Your grades depends on your brown nosing skills and nothing else, I have seen with my own eyes a prof giving better marks to a student that doesn't deserve it just because they are licking his ***... But that doesn't mean you don't need study in order to pass... You have to work 50 times hards than you did in your classes in the US to get similar grades. And you have one shot at the end of your year to pass your exams. Its called the university exams. 2 papers per subject covering about half the total course work in that year. You will have 3 mid terms (internals in india) to account for 10% of your total score for the final.
3) The first year subjects won't be too difficult for your due to your experience but you will still have to study hard to pass. Bio chem is usually the toughest of the 3. If you want a sample question paper then these are some of the questions asked in my examination when I was in first year...
A) Breast, blood supply, lymph drainage, and nerve supply (8 pts)
B) Lymphatic drainage of the stomach (5 pts)
C) Brachial Plexus (5 pts)
D) Branches of facial artery (5 pts)
E) Anatomy and blood supply of thyriod (5 pts)
F) Deltoid muscle

Keep in mind that all these questions are written questions and no matter how well you write them you will NEVER get the full pts on any question. That is a FACT, you can ask anyone at any medical college in India... lol

I wish you the best of luck if you decide to go to India.
Let me know if you want to know anything else...

 

[IBdoc]

Hi guys,

I am currently studying IB in Hong Kong. However, I will be moving to India by June this year and intend to study Medicine thereafter. Due to my final IB exams (which I just finished ), I was unable to take the HSC examinations and the relevant entrance exams required for Medicine. I passed my SSC in India and secured an overall percentage of 84% with a 96 in Sciences. Currently, I study Physics, Chemistry, Biology, Mathematics, English and Psychology.

As I was unable to take the HSC and entrance examinations due to my IB final exams, I would like to find out my chances of getting into a good University.

From what people have told me, I need to apply through the NRI quota. This is fine, but I've heard its really expensive! Also, do I stand a chance at any of the government colleges? Or is it just private colleges that I need to focus on? Also, since the results are out pretty soon (4th of June), how do I proceed?

And does anyone know how Indian Colleges convert IB points?

I would really appreciate any help! Awaiting your reply.

Thanks