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So I have begun to put programs into my rank list on NRMP.
Upon looking some of them up I noticed the "quota" of certain programs I interviewed at where different. IE One place has 16 categorical positions but only lists 10 on NRMP?

Is this information inaccurate? Should I contact the hospital? Not worry?

Thanks and let me know if anyone else has noticed this..
 

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Many programs enter fewer positions in the Match than they're approved for because they don't have funding for all their entire quota.
 
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Many programs enter fewer positions in the Match than they're approved for because they don't have funding for all their entire quota.
Is the funding a potential red flag? Also, "NRMP quota change" refers to the programs right? The applicants don't have to get anything done by Jan 31?
 

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It's also possible that the program participates in both the AOA and NRMP matches. In that case, they may put 10 positions in NRMP and 6 in AOA. Anything that doesn't fill in AOA can roll automatically to NRMP.

I doubt programs haven't updated their slots yet. We don't wait until the last minute.

And, yes, this only applies to programs. Applicants don't have to do anything by Jan 31.
 
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Oh good point APD thank you.

Yeah the 10 in NRMP and 6 in AOA (DO match is what we mean here right?) Makes sense because the program has alot of DO's.

My other program was supposed to have 30 or some and it lists 4? Its a huge red flag and I dont understand, it was notoriously an all prematch place, but they are all in the match, but still seems very weird.

Is it okay to call these programs (the PC) directly tomorrow just to clarify?
 

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Oh good point APD thank you.

Yeah the 10 in NRMP and 6 in AOA (DO match is what we mean here right?) Makes sense because the program has alot of DO's.

My other program was supposed to have 30 or some and it lists 4? Its a huge red flag and I dont understand, it was notoriously an all prematch place, but they are all in the match, but still seems very weird.

Is it okay to call these programs (the PC) directly tomorrow just to clarify?
The AOA thing only counts if the program is dual. If the program just has a lot of DOs but is not dual, then all of their spots are still filled in the NRMP match (seems obvious, but some people mistake programs for dual when they are not). If you are unsure if it is a dual program, go to AOA opportunities and search for the program to see how many spots they have in the AOA match.

Also, one of the programs I applied to had a quota of 6, but on NRMP it said 5. I am close to one of the interns so I texted to let him know, and it was fixed the next day. My guess is that some programs haven't updated from last year when prematch offers were still allowed. That was the case with this program (I think), since I know they prematched one person. This is the first year for all-in, so I imagine it will change quotas for some programs.

If you are concerned, I think emailing the program coordinator and asking would be fine. It clarifies things for you and also gives them a heads up in case they were somehow unaware that they hadn't changed it yet.
 

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I doubt programs haven't updated their slots yet. We don't wait until the last minute.
:laugh::laugh:

I'm sure you (personally) don't, but a large proportion of the attendings I've had the pleasure of working with procrastinate worse than us medical students. Especially true of some of the ones in administrative jobs.
 
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It's also possible that the program participates in both the AOA and NRMP matches. In that case, they may put 10 positions in NRMP and 6 in AOA. Anything that doesn't fill in AOA can roll automatically to NRMP.

I doubt programs haven't updated their slots yet. We don't wait until the last minute.

And, yes, this only applies to programs. Applicants don't have to do anything by Jan 31.
This was 100% true and accurate when I called the program today. 10 spots in the NRMP, 7 spots in the AOA match. Makes sense

Thank you for the post
 

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I will prepare for the comments regarding how much busier they are than us, etc, etc...
well but... they are busier than us lol i mean, jeez, when i was on third year rotations and sub-i, i completely lost track of my email (and forget about returning texts and phone calls i got from my friends during the day). and when you've got multiple email addresses to check (long story but they can't all come to the same place on my phone for reasons not related to my ****ty phone), it's twice the agony to keep up. and i'm not even important!

responding quickly is nice but the prob is people wanna, you know, have somewhat thoughtful responses. the prof who gets the most med student emails in our medicine dept also responds the quickest, and her answers barely make sense lol
 
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So the AOA match results are out. But the program I interviewed at still has only 1 spot on their quota on NRMP as of today. I know that they only matched 3 DO applicants out of like 15 total spots available. Something wrong here?
 

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So the AOA match results are out. But the program I interviewed at still has only 1 spot on their quota on NRMP as of today. I know that they only matched 3 DO applicants out of like 15 total spots available. Something wrong here?
They most likely didn't update the quota post AOA match (and they wont be I think).

Some programs already accounted for the AOA match and subtracted this before putting the updated quota into the NRMP for this year.
 
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I thought that the quota automatically adjusts after the AOA match to reflect the number of spots left because the deadline to finalize the quota was Jan 31.

If the program hasn't updated the quota post-AOA match like you say, what happens to those empty spots?
 

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I thought that the quota automatically adjusts after the AOA match to reflect the number of spots left because the deadline to finalize the quota was Jan 31.

If the program hasn't updated the quota post-AOA match like you say, what happens to those empty spots?
I'd imagine they'd get filled through the NRMP.

Or if they don't the program scrambles?

aPD probably can give a better answer.
 

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I expect the NRMP will update quotas in the near future. I am not a dual program, so I'm not completely certain what the process is. But, I believe that the NRMP does this automatically, as we can no longer change our quotas). In any case, it won't be instantaneous. Plus, if I were running the NRMP (which I'm not, yet....) I'd give the AOA match a few days to settle out. Be sure there isn't some huge catastrophe. There's no rush to update quotas, needs to be done before the match is run.
 

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Just to follow up on what aPD said. If you're making your ROL based on programs' stated quotas then:

1. You don't understand the Match algorithm
2. You deserve whatever misery befalls you post-Match
 
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Thanks everyone for their helpful insight.

gutonc- I hope misery befalls you for being a d-bag. No one ever said they were making their ROL based on programs' stated quotas. Learn to read better.
 

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Thanks everyone for their helpful insight.

gutonc- I hope misery befalls you for being a d-bag. No one ever said they were making their ROL based on programs' stated quotas. Learn to read better.
Seriously? You're going to criticize one of the most helpful posters around here for his (admittedly sometimes curmudgeonly) way of responding to med student neuroticism?
 
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So I have begun to put programs into my rank list on NRMP.
Upon looking some of them up I noticed the "quota" of certain programs I interviewed at where different. IE One place has 16 categorical positions but only lists 10 on NRMP?

Is this information inaccurate? Should I contact the hospital? Not worry?

Thanks and let me know if anyone else has noticed this..
Where do you find the info on NRMP quotas?
 

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Just to follow up on what aPD said. If you're making your ROL based on programs' stated quotas then:

1. You don't understand the Match algorithm
2. You deserve whatever misery befalls you post-Match
LOL.

gutonc, I've read many of your posts and frankly they make this whole match process alot better.
 
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