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Anybody plan on applying to NYCOM for Fall 2003? or, have some tips about applying. I am filling out AACOMAS now, so I am quite a ways away, but I guess you cant be too early :cool:
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i will be applying to nycom this summer for 2003 class, I currently attend NYIT which is where NYCOM is located at. When you apply you should really state how you want to become a primary care physician. even if you dont want to
 
i will be applying to NYCOM for the fall of 2003 and have also started filling out the AACOMAS application. it never hurts to be too early! so what other schools are both of you applying to?
 
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I am considering applying to the two west coast DO schools as well. My first choice would be NYCOM though. I will not be applying to any allopathic schools...what about you guys?
 
I'm a first year at NYCOM. I dont neccessarily agree with Antgod's post regarding stating your intentions to become a primary care physician even if you dont want to be. I flat out told them I didnt want to do primary care and I'm here. Be yourself and they'll appreciate that, usually. Know your audience though, ie..if you're being interviewed by a family doc, dont bash family practice. In your personal statement, talk more about the osteopathic vision and why DO instead of MD. In NYCOM's secondary, which you'll fill out at the interview, address the question of "why nycom?". Successful first-time applicants seem to have between a 25-30 MCAT and above a 3.3 gpa. I like the school so far, and I even say that after 13 exams in 8 days. The first 2 years are a haul though. They're making lots of improvements though and the new incoming Dean, Dr. Barbara Ross-Lee, is an incredible physician and leader, and she's even Diana Ross's sister! They've also upgraded facilities and are still doing so. The only negatives I have are the large class size, which can be a bit cumbersome, and the tuition, which is high. Cost of living is ridiculous too. The clinical rotations are one of the finest in the country though, for both quantity and quality. Several NYCOM graduates matched at Ivy residencies this year.

hope this helps.
Feel free to ask any other questions....
 
i disagree with the nycom student, people shouldnt want to become a DO if they want to become a neurosurgeon. I mean yeah you can do it, but the major philosophy should be towards normal everyday primary care positions such as family practice, pediatrics, OBGYN.

I plan on applying to PCOM, NYCOM, NECOM,LECOM, and these allopathic, SUNY DOWNSTATE, SYRACUSE, BUFFALO. NEW York Medical COllege, Albany Medical College, Albert Einstein, University of Conn, and Howard.
Where u from???
 
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i disagree with the nycom student, people shouldnt want to become a DO if they want to become a neurosurgeon. I mean yeah you can do it, but the major philosophy should be towards normal everyday primary care positions such as family practice, pediatrics, OBGYN.

I could not disagree with you more if I tried. I just graduated from NYCOM and start an allopathic Surgery residency in July. D.O. DOE NOT EQUAL PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN. The major philosophy of osteopathy deals with approaching the patient as a whole and understanding that the human body is capable of incredible feats of self healing. I suggest that you read up on osteopathic philosophy before your interviews or you will come off as an ignorant fool, not to mention incredibly insulting.
A classmate of mine will start a neurosurgery residency in juky......If you want to goto NYCOM the school will prepare u for ANY residency you want to pursue, the rest is upto you. :clap:
 
i'm from wisconsin but i go to school in iowa...
i was also going to apply to both osteopathic and allopathic schools, but i decided to apply just to osteopathic schools. i plan on applying to PCOM, CCOM, AZCOM, Des Moines, KCOM, LECOM, and MSUCOM, and NYCOM. i assume you've taken the MCAT's already...are you taking them again in august?
 
yeah i took them in april and then im gonna start studying for august next week. Just in case u know

I've taken Osteopathic principles and practices at NYCOM with Dr. Dowling as the teacher.Why is it then that the majority of DO's become primary care physcian's. Everyone knows this except for the NYCOM students it seems. Explain to me how a Neurosurgeon is gonna perform OMM on a patient? Maybe you should be the one learning more about Osteopathy.
 
Ant god, you are wrong. I was just accepted to NYCOM and will be going there this august. I shadowed a pathologist who was an MD, and told them at my interview that my interest was research, and possibly surgery. I told them I did not want to be a primary care physician, I even told them that I applied to allopathic schools as well. My interview went great, and they respected my honesty. Over 40%, (I believe 42%) of their students specialize! They obviously don't look down upon specialization.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by AntGod22:
•I've taken Osteopathic principles and practices at NYCOM with Dr. Dowling as the teacher.Why is it then that the majority of DO's become primary care physcian's. Everyone knows this except for the NYCOM students it seems. Explain to me how a Neurosurgeon is gonna perform OMM on a patient? Maybe you should be the one learning more about Osteopathy.•••••:rolleyes: OMM is not the end all and be all of Osteopathic medicine!! The major point of the philosophy is to look at the entire patient/situation to determine underlying problems and deal with them, not just sypmtoms (yes, this is a simplistic view of the philosophy, but I don't want to go on for pages).

Now, please tell me how this philosophy doesn't mesh with non-primary care specialties.

BTW, the vast majority of the DOs I know either don't use OMM at all or only use it occasionally. I'm looking forward to learning the methods, though.
 
Antgod,

First of all, just because you took an OMM course at NYCOM doesnt mean you have to practice it someday. Many of the DO family docs dont even use it on a regular basis. It's just another tool in the bag. Second, surgeons have been known to employ some OMM techniques in postoperative care. The patients seem to love it because it's non-invasive and can dramatically help with post-op care. For example, you can use lymphatic drainage techniques on an operative patient who's bed-ridden and is experiencing edema in the legs. Let's not be so quick to judge OMM and throw it all under the primary care umbrella. If you want to be a family doc, fine, good luck. If someone else doesnt want to be, how does that affect you? Dont you think it's good for DOs to branch into all areas of medicine? Your opinions dont seem very thought out, logical, or informed.

Best of luck.
 
oceandocDO gets what it means to be an osteopath....there are many DO's in primary care that do not practice OMM. Just because a DO chooses not to practice OMM does NOT mean he is not folllowing the osteopathic philosophy, perhaps he/she is not particulary skilled at OMM, but often sends his/her pt's to a DO who is highly skilled at OMM.
As far as surgery oceandocDOis correct when he brings up lymphatics etc.
I would like to pose this question to you, are not surgical skills but an invasive extension to the osteopathic philosophy. JUst and idea I was kicking around.
I start my surgery residency in July and I am proud of my osteopathic education and my OMM skills. In the future if I feel a pt will benifit from OMM, I will not hesitiate to perform OMM myself, or refer the pt to an OMM expert. :clap:
 
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OK let me state some things here. What is the point of becoming a osteopathic physician if your not planning on using OMM on atleast some of your patients. I cant stand all of you people who applied to NYCOM as your fallback and then think that you are some high and mighty D.O. . I take everything that you guys say to me with a grain of salt. If you have read the literature about Dr. Andrew taylor Stills you will know that he was a family doctor. A guy who knew alot about alot of different areas pertaining to human anatomy. That knowledge helped him develop OMM. And OMM is a great way of treating patients. I plan on using it to help with my patients when I become a D.O. . Now what strikes me as funny is that you so called D.O. graduates think that OMM is bull**** and that its only useful only 1 percent of the time. It says alot about the current state of osteopathic medicine when 40 something percent are specializing in fields that most likely will never incorporate any OMM techniques. No wonder allopathic doctors think of us second class, when even our own doctors dont want to acknowledge there own role in osteopathic medicine. Im sure all of you are good doctors or are going to be great doctors, but you gotta become a D.O. because you love the ideals behind it, not because its gonna allow you to become a doctor.
 
Hey calm your hormones buddy and take a pill. My wife and I are going into the Osteopathic profession because we love the philosophy, and yes here's a novel idea.......we want to be physicians. My wife wants to specialize in OB, a primary care field. I want to specialize in a surgical subspecialty. Does this make me a traitor to the Osteopathic philosophy? If you think so you have a lot of growing up to do kid. The Osteopathic philosophy encompasses all aspects of medicine, and as such Osteopathic phisicians must be represented in all medical specialities. Do you think an allopathic surgeon will recommend that a patient see an OMM specialist after surgery?? If warranted, I as an Osteopathic surgeon most definitely would. Even if I am not directly using the manipulative techniques I was taught in school, this does not mean that I will not refer a patient to an OMM specialist IF OMM is warranted. Osteopatic physicians have struggled for years to NOT be seen as solely "bone doctors" or "something like a Chiropractor". I will be proud of my Osteopathic degree and help to advance the profession in every way. This will happen whether I use OMM or not. Good night
 
Anybody with some more info. on NYCOM as a whole, as a school? Any info. regarding residencies, and what percent of people are awarded out of state residencies? Is the NYCOM education looked at as favorable in the residency world? Didnt mean to end the whole DO=OMM debate, but come on! DO's are doctors, and yes, with a philosophy. I see OMM as another tool we have to use, take it or leave it. I personally, would be excited to give it a try.
 
DOnut and mddo2b are exactly what the osteopathic field needs. Antgod, do me a favor and dont apply to NYCOM. You have no clue what you're talking about. First, if you're so in love with OMM, why even apply to the MD schools you list? I have absolutely no trouble with people who believe in OMM. I believe in it too. Most of it does work very well. The chiropractic and physical therapy fields would not exist as they do today without OMM's foundations. This doesnt mean you absolutely have to use it everday as a DO physician or else you're not being a "good DO". I think Dr Dowling and the rest of the OMM faculty at NYCOM are wonderful. They are fabulous teachers and must be excellent physicians because their waiting lists for an appointment are months long. However, if I wanted to do nothing but manipulation, I'd be a chiropractor right now. Most of them only do OMM because they're damn good at it and they make boatloads of cash doing it. I wanted to become a DO because of the philosophy and the better overall training. The facts are, you do receive a better academic education at DO schools. The extra anatomy and musculoskeletal training you acquire through OMM is very helpful in all aspects of medicine, and yes, the OMM itself is useful at times too.

•••quote:••• Now what strikes me as funny is that you so called D.O. graduates think that OMM is bull**** and that its only useful only 1 percent of the time. It says alot about the current state of osteopathic medicine when 40 something percent are specializing in fields that most likely will never incorporate any OMM techniques. ••••For the love of god! Getting a DO degree is NOT a degree in OMM. I never said it was bull****, I gave a specific example where it could be used effectively, actually. Read.

•••quote:••• If you have read the literature about Dr. Andrew taylor Stills you will know that he was a family doctor. A guy who knew alot about alot of different areas pertaining to human anatomy ••••Yeah, thanks for the suggestion, but who's this Dr. Stills character? :wink: (It's Andrew Taylor STILL) He was a family doc, but I guarantee you he'd absolutely love the idea of DOs branching out into all aspects of medicine. That's actually what he spent alot of his career doing.

•••quote:••• Im sure all of you are good doctors or are going to be great doctors, but you gotta become a D.O. because you love the ideals behind it, not because its gonna allow you to become a doctor ••••Who ever said we dont like the ideals behind it?

Good luck with the MD applications, you seem like their perfect fit...
 
Hey ocean doc
I am just trying to prove a point that most D.O. students are there because they had to. Not because they wanted too. I on the other hand am interested in becoming a D.O. , i will apply to NYCOM this summer. I will also apply to MD schools just because the state schools are cheaper and I also like the research aspect. I am a true person who isnt fake. If you plan on going thru your whole life as a MD in a D.O. body go ahead, have fun. But I know that in my heart I will choose the one that I truely want to be. So goodnite and goodluck.
 
The thing that is really upsetting me is antgods idea that osteopathic physicians are synonomous with OMM. The whole person approach is the main aspect of Osteopathic philosophy. Antgod, even if a DO never uses OMM, yet practices a whole person approach towards his patients, he is being true to the philosophy. The whole person approach is what attracted me to this profession, not the OMM. I will learn it and take it seriously, but it is not was inspired me. It's not fair of you to imply that we are like sell outs, or that we are not true to the profession. It is also insulting to DO's to say that OMM is the main basis of their profession, they can do so much more, their knowledge is not limited to OMM. I am sure that you mean well, but be careful.
 
After reading jersey girls response I admit I was wrong. I agree that a D.O. can possibly never have to use OMM in there life due to their never being a need for its use. Its the people who have learned of its techniques that choose to never use it when a situation could of been helped by it, that annoys me.
 
Antgod22---do NYCOM a foavor, take your closed mind and goto another school. This is the begining of a new age of osteopathy where there is no distinction based on degree/schooling and instead the emphasis is place on the knowledge, skill and compassion of the physicican. Doors are opening for us the likes of which have never been seen before. WHy is it when the rest of the country is opening their eyes to us and are seeing us as equals, people like you come along and try to tear us down and close these doors in our faces. Remember we are all in this together.
Think for a second, we each come to medical school with different talents. Why force someone into primary care when their talents may lie in another field. Is'nt it ridiculous to force someone with a gift for surgery, psychiatry, or anesthsiology to practice primary care just because of the school he/she went to.
The field of osteopathy will only continue to grow if we present a united front, so get on board or stay the heck off
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SoCal wrote
•••quote:••• ••••Anybody with some more info. on NYCOM as a whole, as a school? Any info. regarding residencies, and what percent of people are awarded out of state residencies? Is the NYCOM education looked at as favorable in the residency world?
I just graduated form NYCOM this week. We did phenominal in both the DO and MD match. Approximatley 1/2 matched in DO interships/ residencies and 1/2 in allopathic residencies. I don't know the exact #'s , but those of us who wanted to match out of state had no problems.
Without a doubt the NYCOM education is looked on favorably. We matched 3 people in Harvard, 5 in radiology, 10 in surgery, 15 in ER, 10 in anestheisa(including the 3 in harvard) 1 in Optho...the list goes on and on. As for my colloeges in primary care, we matched in tremendous programs in FP, Int. Med, Peds, OB-GYN.
The future is bright for NYCOM Students.
If you contact the office of clinical ed, they can supply you with the specifics....
Good Luck,, and if can help drop me a line
 
SoCal wrote
•••quote:••• ••••Anybody with some more info. on NYCOM as a whole, as a school? Any info. regarding residencies, and what percent of people are awarded out of state residencies? Is the NYCOM education looked at as favorable in the residency world?
I just graduated form NYCOM this week. We did phenominal in both the DO and MD match. Approximatley 1/2 matched in DO interships/ residencies and 1/2 in allopathic residencies. I don't know the exact #'s , but those of us who wanted to match out of state had no problems.
Without a doubt the NYCOM education is looked on favorably. We matched 3 people in Harvard, 5 in radiology, 10 in surgery, 15 in ER, 10 in anestheisa(including the 3 in harvard) 1 in Optho...the list goes on and on. As for my colloeges in primary care, we matched in tremendous programs in FP, Int. Med, Peds, OB-GYN.
The future is bright for NYCOM Students.
If you contact the office of clinical ed, they can supply you with the specifics....
Good Luck,, and if can help drop me a line
 
thanks mddo2b,
I was hoping someone would give me some info., and thats exactly what I was hoping to hear, since NYCOM is my first choice. I will keep you in mind as I stumble across more ?'s. thanks again
 
I read in some threads that some osteo schools dont have summer break. Someone please tell me Nycom students do get summer break.
 
Optimistic, I think I saw that on the Pre-allopathic boards as well. <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> I will be attending NYCOM on the Fall 2002 semester, and according to the academic calendar, the last day of classes will be on June 13, 2003. I hope that this means that it's the beginning of summer break. :wink:

Maybe someone attending NYCOM will validate this assumption.
 
I'm a first year at NYCOM. NYCOM does get a summer "break" between first and second year. Actually, it's more like a month in which you can catch your breath. Classes for first year start in mid sugust, end in mid june and second year starts the first monday in august. After second year ends, officially in May, you have boards in June and start rotations July 1st. Most med schools, DO and MD have similar schedules. We had the week between Christmas and New Years off, but had classes (and a biochem make-up exam, yes, they can be that cruel) Jan 2. We also had a spring break, but it revolves around Easter, early April this year, later next year I think.

The days of undergrad's happy hours and endless summers are over I'm afraid. Enjoy life before that white coat goes on!!
 
NYCOM students definetly get a summer vacation...1-2 weeks the first and second year, 1 week/10 days between 3rd and 4th and about 1-1.5 month break before residency. :clap:
 
mddo2b, you're way off. See my above post. You get about 6-7 weeks off between first and second years (depending on if you pass everything), 2-3 weeks between second and third (after boards, before rotations), and usually not much time at all between third and fourth, unless you have a gap between rotations, which does happen every now and then. Your time requirements third and fourth year is totally dependent on what rotation you're in and where it is. Some work you 80 hours a week and others barely 40. Graduation is in late May in fourth year, like most other med schools, and residency starts, like it does for the vast majority of other new grads, on July 1st. More boards to follow.

NYCOM students are now required to sit for COMLEX Step I at the end of their second year BEFORE they can start rotations in July, so there's no more procrastinating. Some students used to wait until the fall to take it, but forcing the students to sit for it in May forces them to study, and hence we are better prepared for rotations in the summer.
 
yea...that about sums up your next 4 years...
 
The chief surgeon at UCLA is.....drumroll......a DO - not an MD.

Medically controversial, of course, but, don't believe that as a DO you would be stuck as a "cold & flu specialist". Chances are though, you won't be a CT surgeon.
 
HI,
I was just wondering ,did all of you received the financial aid info package from NYCOM?
 
yeah- i received the financial aide packet twice...
 
Sorry about the mix up, the schedule was a bit different when i was a 1st year
 
SexyEgptnDr

I am just curious when you receive your acceptance package. I got the acceptance letter on early May and receive nothing from nycom after that. Maybe I should call the admission office to check.... <img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Lovey]" title="" src="graemlins/lovey.gif" />
 
BikiniPrincess

What is the name of the surgeon at UCLA that you speak of?

Here is a list of all of the UCLA surgeons.

<a href="http://www.surgery.medsch.ucla.edu/asp/Doctors.asp" target="_blank">http://www.surgery.medsch.ucla.edu/asp/Doctors.asp</a>

No D.O.'s

Where did you get your information&gt;?
 
SorChuChu-
I don't remember exactly when I received my financial packet...but I think I received my first one about 2 months ago and my second one about 3 weeks ago. That is all that I have received as far as "acceptance packaging"...is that what you are talking about?
 
i recieved my acceptance to NYCOM in mid-February and i still haven't recieved my financial aid package yet. I called the financial aid office and they said i should wait 2 more weeks. i hope they didn't forget about me :confused: if anyone else had problems with their finacial aid, please e-mail me....i wanna know what's going on.

sly

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I haven't received my financial aid packet either, and was accepted early May. I called the financial aid office and they said that they'd get on it right away. Did you guys get a Financial Aid Entrance Interview and Pre-application for Financial Aid? Just wondering, because it seemed like it surprised the FAO when I told them that I received the two forms and still no Financial Aid Packet. :confused:
 
Originally posted by slydawgg:
[QB]i recieved my acceptance to NYCOM in mid-February and i still haven't recieved my financial aid package yet. I called the financial aid office and they said i should wait 2 more weeks. i hope they didn't forget about me :confused: if anyone else had problems with their finacial aid, please e-mail me....i wanna know what's going on.

sly

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