I'm trying to decide, at the last minute of course, between Mt. Sinai and NYU. Could someone please let me know what they think about either school or point me in the direction of a pre-existing NYU-MSSM thread.
doc05 said:NYU is a better school. Do a search, there have been other threads addressing this issue.
jjmack said:I still don't know why there couldn't have been a med school in a fun part of the city. argh
doc05 said:NYU is a better school.
dianamd said:What are you talking about?
NYU is about 10 blocks from the east village. It's near the 6 train, which would get you to astor place or the lower east side in a few minutes; and it's close to the N/R train, which could get you to the west village or soho very quickly.
EllieElle said:That's your opinion. I don't agree. I think it's a personal choice, and that it's necessary to visit each place, talk to students, and make your decision based on what is important to you personally.
doc05 said:No, it's a fact. You can't say that Tisch/Bellevue makes NYU better, since Mount Sinai has MS/Elmhurst (pretty much the same). Comparing preclinical curricula or "student-friendliness" is foolish, as it means nothing.
As hospitals go, Mount Sinai is very good, and comparable to NYU.
If, however, you look at match lists, NYU has consistently done better. Better clinical training and a much better match list.
jjmack said:your thing says you live in nyc, so I didn't think I would have to tell you that the east village doesn't start at ~25th street. Murray hill and the kips bay area around nyu som in my mind is not a fun part of the city. I never said you could get to places quickly by the subway or bus. You do have to go a bit west to get the 6. You could argue that Columbia is easier to get to fun parts of the city due to their proximity to the A train. Also just because the area is easy access to other parts doesn't make the area good. Is anyone going to claim that washington heights is one of the best parts of the city to live in?
st. vincents which is affiliated with NYMC i believe is pretty much in the village. I think you can do 3rd and 4th year there. Columbia med use to be in herald square if I remember correctly. can you imagine that? very different than washington heights.dianamd said:true, true -- i should have said about 15 blocks. the east village (and life as we know it, to some of us) starts at 14th st., so NYU is really not that far.
but actually, for NYU, it's about a $8 cab ride to the east village, and even closer to the school, I like the area of Union square north-- I guess called the flatiron district.
but can you imagine, say, a med school in washington square (a la NYU undergrad)? i don't know if i'd love it, or go crazy...
exmike said:I dont see how NYU is superior to MSSM. I consider them peer institutions. I'd personally pick MSSM b/c it is more student friendly.
doc05 said:If, however, you look at match lists, NYU has consistently done better. Better clinical training and a much better match list.
exmike said:I dont see how NYU is superior to MSSM. I consider them peer institutions. I'd personally pick MSSM b/c it is more student friendly.
exmike said:I'm gung-ho MSSM b/c its probably the second best school I have a shot at in the best location of the schools I have a shot at.
I'd prefer NYU because of its superior location compared to MSSM. It is debateable which is more prestigious but the selectivity of NYU tells me that in general their students might be better. I would imagine that NYU students have higher average board scores. NYU also doesnt have the financial troubles currently plaguing MSSM.
Since NYU isnt a choice for me, MSSM is my top choice.
exmike said:Go to NYU, so a spot will open up at MSSM for me
In all honesty though, If I got in both, I would go to NYU.
I agree most medical schools are selling their hospitals because they were bleeding money. I don't think MSSM has a $4billion endowment though. That is very big for a standalone med school.exmike said:So all i am reading here is the financial performance of the hospitals, nothing about the quality of education.
Very few medical centers run consistently in the black. MSSM has something like a 4 billion dollar endowment. I dont think they'll be running into problems anytime soon.
jjmack said:I agree most medical schools are selling their hospitals because they were bleeding money. I don't think MSSM has a $4billion endowment though. That is very big for a standalone med school.
MissionComplete said:Honestly that does sound huge for a school. If you guys have that, I'm impressed, and you'll be surpassing NYU definitely in the near future.
Well, unless our new research center doesn't do well, which really isn't possible. With our new 11 story research center NYU will be unstopable. My guess is that within 5 years we'll have our target set on P&S or Weil and we'll definitely out do one of them.
For reference- the silver bullet that did Sinai in:
http://www.injuryboard.com/view.cfm/Article=1329
jdovez said:I think if you want to go into a competitive residency, NYU might be better for you. If you want to go more into primary care, Sinai would be a slightly better fit (yes nyu has training at bellevue which is hard to match, but the sinai atmosphere is more conducive to creating physicians who are more interested in people than their bottom line).
exmike said:It is debateable which is more prestigious but the selectivity of NYU tells me that in general their students might be better. I would imagine that NYU students have higher average board scores. NYU also doesnt have the financial troubles currently plaguing MSSM.
jdovez said:If you want to go more into primary care, Sinai would be a slightly better fit.
BigRedPingpong said:This whole thread is just full of speculative Bu11sh1t. Higher board scores? WTF? exmike, you gotta post a link or something because as far as I know average board scores and match lists fluctuate from year to year. Plus, all this sh1t about "student friendly"...how the hell could you possibly know this? Oh yeah, I forgot, you must have attended both MSSM and NYU this past year all the while being an M1 in Ohio. Or perhaps you are able to tell by your half day interview at MSSM being exposed to a few doctors and 2 students that ran the tour that day. And jdovez, NYU undergrad and it's publicity splurging is the just that--the undergrad. In fact, the undergraduate campus has a totally separate budget from the medical center. And you better believe that you would be feeling the pain as a medical student if your teaching hospitals are going down the tubes. As a sidenote, that "4 billion dollar" endowment wasn't so helpful when they filed chapter 11 a while ago. Oh but we don't like to talk about that. peace
BigRedPingpong said:Oh really? Singin' a different tune are we?
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=103044&highlight=NYU+sinai
exmike said:someone's got issues here. we'll just let this be a testament to nyu. anyone want to be bigredpingpong's classmate?