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The best thing to do is to release it to programs. If you don’t..they will still ask you on interviews and you don’t want to seem like you are not honest. Try your best to get a date before dec 31st. You seem like a solid candidate!
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Passed !! So relieved! Always ready to help, I’ll write a detailed post tomorrow
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Hey don’t lose hope. Try to schedule the exam soon and get it done. I’ll message you some CIS tips that a study partner had taught me if you want.
My friend’s friend who is applying this year, has really great step 1 and CK scores, but has an attempt on their CS exam. Despite that, that person has received interviews. So nothing is impossible. You are still a sold candidate! You can do this!
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Sorry you didn't pass. But stop blaming the exam. Yes we all know this exam doesn't really prove that anyone can examine patients, but we all know that going into the exam. It's an acting exam more or less. People with much higher and much lower stats than you have passed this because they figured out what to do to tick all the boxes.
Programs are going to know that you have an attempt on CS, there's no way to fool the system. So I wouldn't rush into doing it again if you don't know what the problem is to begin with.
So take out your anger on a punching bag for an hour or two. Think this over. Train with a partner. Get someone to tutor you if you can. Then go at this with the right mindset; which is: "this is an acting exam, with a hint of medicine"
You don't know if you're "doomed". IMGs have matched with fails on step 1. I know it's hard to see it know, but its not the end of the world.
I'm sure this is not the end of line. While an attempt on step 2 CS is certainly a disadvantage, it is not something you can't get over. You already have good scores and so there is a compensation right there. May be back it up with more research publications and quick reexam. While you can apply this year but if you wanna remain confident with more publivations and step 3 you can wait till next year
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Passed comfortably despite multiple errors.
My recommendation for anyone who has yet to take the exam is to drill FA Step 2 CS for at least a few days or a week before the exam. Practice writing notes on the NBME template to get accustomed to the character limit. Try to think of a couple of possible diagnoses before entering each room, and even jot them down on your notepad.
For those of you still waiting on your results, try your best to relax. Much easier said than done, but remember that the test doesn't require anything near perfection. If you felt comfortable with the FA cases, you likely performed well on the exam.
Best of luck to all of you.
-Bill
My recommendation for anyone who has yet to take the exam is to drill FA Step 2 CS for at least a few days or a week before the exam. Practice writing notes on the NBME template to get accustomed to the character limit. Try to think of a couple of possible diagnoses before entering each room, and even jot them down on your notepad.
For those of you still waiting on your results, try your best to relax. Much easier said than done, but remember that the test doesn't require anything near perfection. If you felt comfortable with the FA cases, you likely performed well on the exam.
Best of luck to all of you.
-Bill
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you'll have to message me
Thank you. am not worried about passing the cs exam anymore. I know that the counseling thing costs me a lot , and i am willing to retake the exam and counsel every single sp . I am worried about my matching apportunities.
Guys any idea how to read the CS report? Its really confusing. While I got high performance in CIS and SEP, my ICE was 6 Xs over grey borderline and 9 Xs right of borderline. (I hope I got the number of X correct)
I expected better performance in ICE because but for the first case which I took time to acclimatise to the environment and made silly mistakes like repeating some questions but I got everything right about the case and in one case I have written only positive physical exam findings in the PN due to lack of time.
And I have got the diagnoses of all the 12 cases right and I have certainly written 2 differentials for each case. I counselled every case. I still don't understand why my performance is just above borderline. May be okI missing something.
I expected better performance in ICE because but for the first case which I took time to acclimatise to the environment and made silly mistakes like repeating some questions but I got everything right about the case and in one case I have written only positive physical exam findings in the PN due to lack of time.
And I have got the diagnoses of all the 12 cases right and I have certainly written 2 differentials for each case. I counselled every case. I still don't understand why my performance is just above borderline. May be okI missing something.
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For CS score release date, do all students get their results at the start of the reporting date? Or is that the group who took it early in the testing period?
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I think it's similar to Step 1/Step 2 CK where scores come out every Wednesday. So I guess it could be variable sometime within scoring window depending on when you took it
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Getting nervous reading some of these. Took it a couple weeks back, feel like I definitely didn’t have a counseling point for each patient.
I did my best to summarize and maintain eye contact. Definitely forgot on average two or three things per room I should have asked or done on physical...
USMD, passed my schools practice CS that is graded harder but seemed easier after walking out. Gonna be a painful two month wait for my score
I did my best to summarize and maintain eye contact. Definitely forgot on average two or three things per room I should have asked or done on physical...
USMD, passed my schools practice CS that is graded harder but seemed easier after walking out. Gonna be a painful two month wait for my score
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To summarise this entire thread, even the most obvious ones:
- Everyone makes mistakes in their exam. Normal to walk out of exam scared and having nightmares for a week or two about the mistakes you made.
Remember, this exam is very forgiving.
- Step 3 trick works!! This time it worked on the same day of result. Its been conclusively proven by the above thread that it works only for those who passed. Disappearance of permit means you are getting result the same week.
- Recommended protocol for the encounter -
1. Knock - thrice
2. Introduction - your Dr. second name and patient's full name
3. handshake - firm
4. smile and make eye contact
5. permission/consent - to sit, make notes, examine. Put your feet on the ground as you sit. Do not sit for emergency cases.
6. empathy - offer water, comfort, soothing words etc
7. Confidentiality - assurance to the patient
8. History - present, past, surgical, menstrual, social, sexual, occupation
9. Summarize - Make sure to ask "anything else to add"?
10. washing hands - make sure hands are fully dry. Make conversation about job, weekend as you wash.
11. physical exam - consent, disrobing only the needed area, explain procedure, start with normal side and very gentle examination (remember 12 more students are repeating the same) apologize for the pain caused(no need of deep palpation of abdomen, no need of hard hit with knee hammer). Once you hear "ouch", don't repeat the same.
12. counselling - offer 2 possible diagnosis. Use growth/mass instead of cancer/tumor. Simple
remedies like rest, applying ice, Keigel excercise, tips to avoid smoking alcohol etc could be recommended. Never forget to ask "Do you have any more questions?"
13. Thanking the patient with handshake, offering your contact details, meet you soon with the results
14. PN (history, ROS, Allergy, PMH, PSH, SH, SHx, 2-3 DDx, lab tests).
You may not be perfect or right, but make sure you dont miss out any of the 14 components mentioned. You will be in a much better position to pass despite major mistakes.
- Everyone makes mistakes in their exam. Normal to walk out of exam scared and having nightmares for a week or two about the mistakes you made.
Remember, this exam is very forgiving.
- Step 3 trick works!! This time it worked on the same day of result. Its been conclusively proven by the above thread that it works only for those who passed. Disappearance of permit means you are getting result the same week.
- Recommended protocol for the encounter -
1. Knock - thrice
2. Introduction - your Dr. second name and patient's full name
3. handshake - firm
4. smile and make eye contact
5. permission/consent - to sit, make notes, examine. Put your feet on the ground as you sit. Do not sit for emergency cases.
6. empathy - offer water, comfort, soothing words etc
7. Confidentiality - assurance to the patient
8. History - present, past, surgical, menstrual, social, sexual, occupation
9. Summarize - Make sure to ask "anything else to add"?
10. washing hands - make sure hands are fully dry. Make conversation about job, weekend as you wash.
11. physical exam - consent, disrobing only the needed area, explain procedure, start with normal side and very gentle examination (remember 12 more students are repeating the same) apologize for the pain caused(no need of deep palpation of abdomen, no need of hard hit with knee hammer). Once you hear "ouch", don't repeat the same.
12. counselling - offer 2 possible diagnosis. Use growth/mass instead of cancer/tumor. Simple
remedies like rest, applying ice, Keigel excercise, tips to avoid smoking alcohol etc could be recommended. Never forget to ask "Do you have any more questions?"
13. Thanking the patient with handshake, offering your contact details, meet you soon with the results
14. PN (history, ROS, Allergy, PMH, PSH, SH, SHx, 2-3 DDx, lab tests).
You may not be perfect or right, but make sure you dont miss out any of the 14 components mentioned. You will be in a much better position to pass despite major mistakes.
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