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This thread is not meant to start a verbal war but I feel that i shd point out to you that there is no reason for SDNers to lose their objectivity simply due to fraternal reasons.

I have noticed that some posters have been very disagreeable lately, which is unfortunate. However, it would seem that others have been too quick to lash out at them without understanding the situation at hand.
Recently, Quaileggs posted that she was OFFENDED that some woman assumed she was having mid-life crises and the person INFERRED that being a lifeguard is equivalent to pursuing an MD. She also intimated that many of the women in her community are BRAIN-DEAD and she couldn't wait to start med school.
Bustahimenes objected to this message and hell broke loose. Personally, I'm very surprised more SDNers did not find the original post offensive. Shd Quaileggs' elitism be excused just because she's been posting for a long time. It is very unfortunate that people have come to think that you show solidarity by not pointing out your friends' questionable utterances. I feel that SDN owe it to themselves to call people out when they make such elist statements.

Another issue that came up was with MacGyver. The guy was obviously kidding when he said that he was on the IVY mountain. He smartly pointed out that his only acceptance is Dartmouth, which is not the "most highly ranked ivy league school", that is a great tip-off that he was just being funny. After all the guy has over 300 posts, he knows that there are tons of SDNers with higher ranked ivy league acceptances. He told a bad joke (Don't we all) and everybody just lashed out. I know SDNers are nice people. Infact, Brandonite, SMW, Doctora Foxy just to mention a few have been helpful to me at some point on the other (Thanks guys). It is however, not befitting of us to lose objectivity and to be nasty just based on whom we've grown to like and who we don't like. As scientists we shd learn to analyze the data and not the person presenting the data. Just my 2 pesewas.

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People look at previous trends before answering. I take MAcgyver has always been a jerk, and received the usual "treatment". Quail has never been a jerk, however. :)

Get my drift?
 
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Well, I have to be subjective and say, I completely agree with you, quake! This reminds me of high school, kinda amusing, but pathetic at the same time. And if MacGyver is such a "jerk," how come he hasn't stooped to your levels and engaged in your little battle of words? Could it be that he has something better to do? Hmmm...Yeah, let's all be just friends, can't we all just get along?? Seriously tho, this board is a great resource, let's keep it that way.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by piggy:
•Well, I have to be subjective and say, I completely agree with you, quake! This reminds me of high school, kinda amusing, but pathetic at the same time. And if MacGyver is such a "jerk," how come he hasn't stooped to your levels and engaged in your little battle of words? Could it be that he has something better to do? Hmmm...Yeah, let's all be just friends, can't we all just get along?? Seriously tho, this board is a great resource, let's keep it that way.•••••Piggy- there's different ways of being a "jerk". One is name calling and hostility, another is trying to mislead people and make them feel inadequate. You seem to think only the former entails jerkhood, while in fact, Mac falls into the latter category. You need to have read much of what he's said (as many of us have been doing for months) before you can come to a sound conclusion. --Trek
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Trek:
•another is trying to mislead people and make them feel inadequate. •••••This coming from a man who claimed to have 18 acceptances? :p Me, feel inadequate next to you? Never!! :) :D Just messing witcha dawg, I know you ain't got no 18 acceptances. Tell everyone the truth, it's only 17 right? :wink: -Papa
 
yes, let's all be friendly. remember there are worst things in the world happening.

As doctors, we will see people die and people live. Irregardless of the medical school you go to, be humble. remember your calling of medicine is to serve.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Trek:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by piggy:
•Well, I have to be subjective and say, I completely agree with you, quake! This reminds me of high school, kinda amusing, but pathetic at the same time. And if MacGyver is such a "jerk," how come he hasn't stooped to your levels and engaged in your little battle of words? Could it be that he has something better to do? Hmmm...Yeah, let's all be just friends, can't we all just get along?? Seriously tho, this board is a great resource, let's keep it that way.•••••Piggy- there's different ways of being a "jerk". One is name calling and hostility, another is trying to mislead people and make them feel inadequate. You seem to think only the former entails jerkhood, while in fact, Mac falls into the latter category. You need to have read much of what he's said (as many of us have been doing for months) before you can come to a sound conclusion. --Trek•••••Trek, thanks for taking the bait. thanks for calling my judgement unsound. Love ya. You're the man. Keep it coming, baby...
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by oldman:
•yes, let's all be friendly. remember there are worst things in the world happening.

As doctors, we will see people die and people live. Irregardless of the medical school you go to, be humble. remember your calling of medicine is to serve.•••••Whoops, and this whole time I thought it was all about the Benjamins... Thanks for clearing it up, oldman! :wink:

P.S. Sent you a PM.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by oldman:
•yes, let's all be friendly. remember there are worst things in the world happening.

As doctors, we will see people die and people live. Irregardless of the medical school you go to, be humble. remember your calling of medicine is to serve.•••••I wrote about the calling of medicine in a post about a month back. Rereading it pushes up a lot of emotions I have since repressed.

if you want to read the whole thread: <a href="http://www.studentdoctor.net/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=008996" target="_blank">original thread</a>

"...for those who have gotten in to places and might be stuck up about it. I'm not saying people aren't grateful. But the important thing is to realize what you are doing. You are going to be a medical doctor. Someday you might see a patient come in and YOU are the one who will, must make the difference. You will either save the person's life or you will watch the person slip away. Medical school is not all fun and games. It is giving your life to a calling. You are giving of your total mind, body, soul. You sacrifice everything you've got, even a bit of your humanity, to save these people. If you are not ready to face the situation, than give your slot in medical school to someone who is ready."
 
I'm just going to say a couple quick things before I get myself into too much trouble.

1. I didn't find qualilegg's post that offensive. Medical school is a life changing experience, and just getting to med school takes an amazing amount of effort and persistence. I would be a bit upset to someone comparing it to taking a swimming class at the Y.

2. Macguyver is a troll, generally. But his thread about housing had absolutely nothing offensive in it. So, I don't see why it shouldn't be answered... Other people (including myself) have had similar questions.

3. Busta went well beyond objecting to that post. His messages contained a stream of profanity and insults to various members that was completely uncalled for.

Again, I don't want to get drawn up into all of this again. I don't think that gets us anywhere. Live and let live.

-brando
 
No problem. Your judgement WAS unsound. --Trek
 
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Brandonite, I have a great deal of respect for you so I shall not be belligerant. Howver, don't you think that calling a "community of people", BRAINDEAD just because one of them doesn't appreciate what it takes to get into med school is slightly harsh and uncalled for? I found that very offensive, for which reason I sympathized slightly with Bush... Meanwhile, I agree with you that bush used some language that made me blush. He shdn't have lashed out at Doctora Foxy.
Anyways this thread is just to encourage people to refute ideas without resorting to name calling and general nastiness. It is however, a free country.
I vote in favor of "niceness"
 
I just went back and read the original post again. I can see what you're saying, quake. And you're probably right in that ignorance is not a reason to be insulted. But I'll stick up for her one more time by saying that she was probably upset by someone comparing the achievement of a life long goal or dream to getting a job at the rec centre... I mean, imagine if I said to someone, "Guess what, I just got engaged", and they replied, "Yes, I know what you mean, I just bought a can of beans for 10 cents off!"? That example is a bit ridiculous, but it illustrates the point.

And I come from a very small farming town where the discussions in the community tend to revolve around the weather, local gossip, and more weather. So, I can understand her desire for more intelligent conversation.

But, I will agree with you that she probably didn't deserve to be called 'braindead', that doctors need to avoid being elitist, and that that post probably was worded very poorly.
 
Actually, now that I think of it, for all we know, getting a job at the rec centre might have been this lady's life long ambition... I take at least part of my reply back.
 
Dang brando, if your argument held any less water it'd be a....very water free thing :wink: . Anyway, i do see your point and it's valid. There were two things i thought were uncool- a) this lady made it sound like a whim. We all know that getting in takes years of effort. b) this lady equated getting in with something that is easy to do. When you've worked hard to reach a goal and someone fails to see your work, it is natural to be disappointed/angry/etc. Makes sense to me. --Trek
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Trek:
•b) this lady equated getting in with something that is easy to do. •••••Just imagine if this lifeguard-at-the-Y lady had to learn to swim first...

-Melissa :wink:
 
If someone posts something you disagree with, then of course there's nothing wrong with having a civil discussion about it. However when someone posts something really offensive---isn't ignoring him/her the best thing to do? If the offensive poster doesn't receive the kind of attention he's looking for (and certainly doesn't deserve) he or she will stop posting on their own. Don't add fuel to the fire guys.
 
Why?

I love adding fuel to the fire. I'm a pyromanic.

<img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> :D :D
 
Oh please!!!!!!!!!!!!
I very much regret sharing my experience because people evidently took it completely seriously that I was some sort of raging elitist. I was just blowing off some steam and I thought I could do it here safely. I would have been a nasty person if I had actually said all that stuff to the woman in question I would hope that anyone who has read my posts in the past could tell that I am the very opposite of an elitist. Alot of my post was put in deliberately strong language for humorous effect. My life is not altered by this grocery store encounter and in my later post I clearly stated that the whole thing was kind of humorous.Before I posted I very lightheartedly shared this experience with my husband, and he recieved the anecdote with humor in the vein of "How typical."(You'd have to know the community we live in.)I will be much more cautious in posting in the future and will restrict such anecdotes to sharing with my family and friends who will take them in the spirit in which they were intended.
I also find it very interesting that the OP bashed me and thought McGuyver was niftily employing humor. Whatever....I'm sorry. But I'm glad a few of you gave me the benefit of the doubt. I've tried very hard to be a good SDN citizen.
 
Just a note-----the grocery store lady stated that she's always been a good swimmer (and I told her that I could not be a lifeguard because I am NOT a good swimmer :)
 
I am completely amazed at all the storms that have erupted on SDN in the past few days. Quaileggs, you have always been a fantastic SDN citizen, and I hope you'll continue to consider us family and vent when you need to. I too consider what that woman said to you to be so unresponsive to what you said as to be laughable. I don't think anyone but the OP ever entertained the idea that you were an elitist! And to single you out as disagreeable in light of the other stuff that's graced :rolleyes: SDN's pages in the past few days is pretty ridiculous. Listen up, quake, in the name of "niceness" you need to apologize to Quaileggs!!

Brandonite, I totally agree with what you said about Busta and MacGuyver. The former had me so upset that I didn't even visit SDN for a few days (and you know it's serious if the Grand Member and SDN goddess stops posting :wink: ). It was like all the good folks had disappeared and what popped up was pretty nasty. I kind of attributed it to the winding down of the application cycle.

Serpiente, my sentiments exactly! :D
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by oldman:
•Irregardless of the medical school you go to, be humble. remember your calling of medicine is to serve.•••••Haha, he said "irregardless". Does that mean "regardful"?
 
Quake - I've been reading God knows how many of these things over the past 10 months, and I now theorize three cases. The first is that many posters haven't matured into adulthood (which I honestly hope is not the case). The second is that for the most part they are fine in real life but just act out on an anonymous message board (what would Freud say?). Finally, they may just let off some steam from what they perceive is a stressful life. I'm rooting for the last case.

Personally, sometimes I find it tough to stomach some of the posts on SDN. I honestly wonder how many of them are written by high school students pretending to be 21-25 years old. :wink:
 
qualileggs - I still don't see anything really wrong with what you said. I think that people were still somewhat upset over that older thread... There were some borderline objectionable comments in that thread. (The thread was people talking about how little their families/coworkers understood about med school...). I think that you were more a victim of timing and busta than anything.

SMW - Thanks. :) And I can assure you that your presence was missed... :p I think the trolls tend to come in cycles. It was pretty bad a couple months ago, if I remember.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by willjmarks:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by oldman:
•Irregardless of the medical school you go to, be humble. remember your calling of medicine is to serve.•••••Haha, he said "irregardless". Does that mean "regardful"?•••••hey now, i'm an engineer, me no speaka english good.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by willjmarks:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by oldman:
•Irregardless of the medical school you go to, be humble. remember your calling of medicine is to serve.•••••Haha, he said "irregardless". Does that mean "regardful"?•••••Haha, actually "irregardless" isn't even a word, although many people use it. What's even funnier is when people say "disirregardless." I've seen tv anchors say that on purpose just to get all the uptight people out there to call in and correct their grammar. Fun fun! :wink:
 
My perosnal favorites are the spoken words "supposably" (actually a real word, archaic), "laxadaisical", "undoubtably", "for all intensive purposes", and "fustrated". I'd love to initiate a thread with hilarious examples of these and other such rapings of the English language. For some reason, each time I hear one of the above, it rings loud and clear, and I never cease to chuckle. Engineers are okay. They don't need to talk good.
 
SMW, this is my point exactly. I shall not apologize to Quaileggs. This is ridiculous. You all cannot fault Quaileggs because she has been un upstanding citizen. Quaileggs herself used this argument in her defense. This is not good enough for me. What she posted was lame. So the grocery store lady doesn't know what it takes to get into medschool. Heck, my parents don't know what it takes. My mom thinks I shd be able to get into Harvard without a sweat :)
Quaileggs anger WAS unwarranted. Saying that A LOT OF PEOPLE IN HER COMMUNITY ARE BRAINDEAD is just wrong. Assuming that her classmates in medschool would be more intelligent is disgusting. Who says that medical students are more intelligent than the common person. What definition of intelligence are we using here. She claims she later posted that she found the situation humorous. That may well be, but the original post was definitely not posted in humor. We all know that the original post was not meant to be funny. It was meant to criticize and demean the grocery store lady. What has the poor lady's age (50) got to do with her ignorance about your achievements. Would Quaileggs have been much happier if the woman had said. WOW, Quaileggs, you are a demi-goddess. I'm so proud of you, I could never have achieved that in a 1000 years. Is that what Quaileggs wanted to hear? Very impressive.
Even though I DISAGREE with SMW I still think you are an awesome person. You were the first person to welcome me to SDN. Thanks. I also DISAGREE with Brandonite but the guy is still awesome. I love all his Stanford posts.
This is what being objective is about. Quaileggs was wrong, she could be a good person but that post was in poor taste. MacGyver told a BAD JOKE, I can't hold that against him. Bush... used some bad language, that is reprehensible.
 
I hear K-Mart's got a sale on PROZAC.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by willjmarks:
•My perosnal favorites are the spoken words "supposably" (actually a real word, archaic), "laxadaisical", "undoubtably", "for all intensive purposes", and "fustrated". I'd love to initiate a thread with hilarious examples of these and other such rapings of the English language. For some reason, each time I hear one of the above, it rings loud and clear, and I never cease to chuckle. Engineers are okay. They don't need to talk good.•••••What continually fires me up is seeing 'definately'. I always wonder if the people that spell it that way actually pronouce it like that. Another one people don't realize is the phrase "You've got another think coming".

Damn I must be bored.
 
Here are some of the ones I find to be amusing. I usually don't care, cause in real life I'm the last person to pay attention to grammar.

"duck tape" vs duct tape
"baited breath" vs bated breath
"by enlarge" vs by and large
"analyzation" vs analysis
"low and behold" vs lo and behold
"escape goat" vs scapegoat
"new leash on life" new lease on life
"pre-Madonna" vs prima donna
"gorilla warfare" vs guerilla warfare
"neck in neck" vs neck and neck
"windshield factor" vs wind chill factor

Yep, I'm bored. Wait kutastha, am I being elitist by posting this? :wink:
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Papa Smurf:

Yep, I'm bored. Wait kutastha, am I being elitist by posting this? :wink: •••••"For all intensive purposes", yes. When I read your post, I turned "pitch white" with shock, and got really "fustrated." "by enlarge" though, I think your "definately" a good SDN member, so i'm not going to use you as an "escape goat" :) :wink: !!
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by racergirl:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by Papa Smurf:

Yep, I'm bored. Wait kutastha, am I being elitist by posting this? :wink: •••••"For all intensive purposes", yes. When I read your post, I turned "pitch white" with shock, and got really "fustrated." "by enlarge" though, I think your "definately" a good SDN member, so i'm not going to use you as an "escape goat" :) :wink: !!•••••LOL!! I would usually come back with a witty line of my own, but I'm just not feeling very funny today. :( Thanks for the laugh though racergirl! Good to know that the senior citizens of SDN also have a sense of humor. (No elitism intended. :p )
 
oh yeah. i stopped learning the english language when i went off to college. i learned a whole new evil one involving integrals, differential equations, and matrices.

any of you use MATLAB? That was an awesome program. :)

•••quote:•••Originally posted by willjmarks:
•My perosnal favorites are the spoken words "supposably" (actually a real word, archaic), "laxadaisical", "undoubtably", "for all intensive purposes", and "fustrated". I'd love to initiate a thread with hilarious examples of these and other such rapings of the English language. For some reason, each time I hear one of the above, it rings loud and clear, and I never cease to chuckle. Engineers are okay. They don't need to talk good.•••••
 
Oh, and it also gets me when people "write MCATs" and "make good grades". Or "loose sleep", or "mine as well".
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
•Here are some of the ones I find to be amusing.

"duck tape" vs duct tape•••••Not to be a stick in the mud....well, maybe to be a stick in the mud :)

There actually is a brand of duct tape called "duck" tape. So, in theory at least, both are indeed correct. (It's the most poplar brand 'round these parts.)
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Jamier2:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
•Here are some of the ones I find to be amusing.

"duck tape" vs duct tape•••••Not to be a stick in the mud....well, maybe to be a stick in the mud :)

There actually is a brand of duct tape called "duck" tape. So, in theory at least, both are indeed correct. (It's the most poplar brand 'round these parts.)•••••Sorry Jamier, just cause the 100 people that actually inhabit Kentucky have a brand called "duck tape" doesn't make it correct. Majority rules! :p :wink:
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by quake:
•I also DISAGREE with Brandonite but the guy is still awesome. I love all his Stanford posts.•••••Thanks. Do I smell of desparation yet? :) Maybe I should make a list of the things I'd do just to get an interview at Stanford, send it to them, have them realize what they're missing out, and accept me sight unseen?? :) Nah, probably wouldn't work... :(

Anyway, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree. I see your point, and take it, but I just disagree in some subtle but important ways. But hey, if everybody agreed with everybody else, it'd be a pretty boring world. Think of me as bringing excitement to your lives... :)
 
interesting...
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
•Sorry Jamier, just cause the 100 people that actually inhabit Kentucky have a brand called "duck tape" doesn't make it correct. Majority rules! :p :wink: •••••actually duck brand duct tape is very common. you'll probably find it in your local home depot
 
Quaileggs, I don't think Quake was attacking you personally, s/he was just disagreeing with your original post. So s/he thought your post was elitist, so what. She referred to your elitism, s/he didn't call you an elitist. Take it for what it is, her opinion. Don't get upset over it, you know you'll your friends backing you up here but this is an open forum, not everyone's gonna agree with you here, that doesn't mean you should change your posts to please everyone. Take it for what it is, a disagreement. btw, i like quaileggs, stir-fried in teriyaki.

Trek my boy, I find YOUR judgement of MY judgement EQUALLY unsound. For your information, I HAVE followed Mac's posts 300 posts, only 2 of which were in bad taste, which is preciously why I feel sorry for him when you people dragged him through the mud for offending your friends. I think everyone deserves a second chance. I felt sorry for the unpopular guy, just like I also felt sorry for people who took his 2 posts to heart. If you were offended by his posts, get over it. He said he was just joking, what else do you want him to do. Sure, it's tempting to call people a troll and a jerk, but what's the point of doing it over and over? Just for a few laughs? So your buddies will like ya even more? Come on. Now, if I were Mac and read all these nasty things people call him and who attack him even when he asks a legitimate question, I'd be more hurt than moo, smw or all the others who didn't get his previous humor. You can't read a person's true intentions on a message board, don't be so quick to judge.

And look at this thread, anyone paying attention that the point of the OP, not be lose your objectivity for fraternal reasons? ironic...
 
•••quote:••• "windshield factor" vs wind chill factor ••••C'mon, has someone actually made this mistake?

Anyway, adding my personal favorite:

"shoe-in" (shoo-in)
 
Piggy--I dislike being held up as an example of "people losing their objectivity" by you and the OP. As if objectivity here=I'm a bad and wrong person. Maybe some people here aren't only defending me because they blindly "like me" but because they didn't think my original thread about the grocery lady was so bad and elite like you obviously did. I'm all for objectivity.People can also have differences of opinion and respect others differing opinions. Also on an Internet message board, it does not seem unreasonable to me to evaluate people in light of their posting history.That's all we have to go on here, right? Similar to how in "real" life, we evaluate people based on their past behavior (but in person we have a much wider picture of a person) Since I am person who wrote the offending thread and the person who thought the thoughts and experienced the event, I can tell you with certainty that those of you who got all bent out of shape really misinterpreted my post. A danger of the internet. We don't hear the tone in which something was said or the facial expression. Don't be so damn sure you have me summed up so neatly. You don't know me and you don't live my life. I don't make such presumptions about anyone who I only "know" over the Internet. I'm not even joining in the ostracization of MacGuyver. He made a comment in another thread about disadvantaged students and I posted agreeing with him. It is my opinion that MacGuyver is trying to "rehabilitate" his image here and I think he should be given a chance.
And don't worry, I am not going to ever change my opinions to appease people here or in real life. I am very opinionated (just ask my husband)and don't shrink from expressing unpopular opinions.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by piggy:
[QB]I think everyone deserves a second chance. I felt sorry for the unpopular guy, just like I also felt sorry for people who took his 2 posts to heart. If you were offended by his posts, get over it. He said he was just joking, what else do you want him to do... You can't read a person's true intentions on a message board, don't be so quick to judge. [QB]••••Um...can't we say the same about quaileggs? Sure, she(quaileggs is female? i forget)might have sounded a bit harsh, she might have offended some people, but her true intentions are not absolutely obvious. If you guys think that we should give macguyver a break, shouldn't we do the same for quaileggs as well, instead of creating an entire thread to point fingers at quaileggs for what could've been a momentary act of misjudgement? Didn't quaileggs later on say that she was trying to be humorous? Should we assume this to be a lie? I, for one, believe that quaileggs' post was not too offensive, because I didn't take her comments to seriously.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
•I usually don't care, cause in real life I'm the last person to pay attention to grammar.•••••Adding another annoyance:

"cause" instead of "because" OR, if you really feel the need to shorten a 2 syllable word, "'coz" would be the "correct slang," NOT "cause." :wink: :D

I agree about "definately" being VERY annoying too. Racergirl, you are too hilarious.
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by praying4MD:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
•I usually don't care, cause in real life I'm the last person to pay attention to grammar.•••••Adding another annoyance:

"cause" instead of "because" OR, if you really feel the need to shorten a 2 syllable word, "'coz" would be the "correct slang," NOT "cause." :wink: :D

I agree about "definately" being VERY annoying too. Racergirl, you are too hilarious.•••••Damn praying! It's on now. Didn't you read that crucial part where I said I don't care about grammar? :wink: :wink: I urge you to double check all of your posts from now on for grammar and spelling, COZ now I do care! :D :)
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
• •••quote:•••Originally posted by praying4MD:
•"cause" instead of "because" OR, if you really feel the need to shorten a 2 syllable word, "'coz" would be the "correct slang," NOT "cause." :wink: :D
•••••I urge you to double check all of your posts from now on for grammar and spelling, CUZ now I do care! :D :) •••••I wonder if people have given up actually reading on SDN. :D I can virtually guarantee by the time I post this, Papa Smurf will have edited his so-called mistake... yet again. :)
 
•••quote:•••Originally posted by Papa Smurf:
•COZ now I do care! :D :) •••••<img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

It's ok Papa, I'm just kidding around with you. :)
 
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