** Official 2013-2014 Underdog Thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!**

[gobigorgohome22]

Got the idea from pre-DO thread. Thought it might be something good to have here.

Here some definitions of underdawg (up to debate):
*** Must meet 1 or more of the following definitions ***
- LizzyM (= GPA * 10 + MCAT) score ≤ to 67
- MCAT ≤ 28
- Any GPA ≤ 3.5
- Average of multiple MCATs ≤ to 30
- Any MCAT subsection ≤ 7
- International applicants


EDIT: As interviews are starting to go out, we will just adding MD schools where you have been invited next to the names.

Underdawg List
MCAT: (PS, VR, BS)
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Gobigorgohome22: cGPA: 3.55, sGPA: 3.72, MCAT: 31 (10,11,10), State: GA, Interviews: 4,
sbhav: cGPA: 3.88, sGPA: 3.84, MCAT: 28 (8,9,11), State: GA
DylanE: cGPA: 3.3, sGPA: 3.6, MCAT: 33, State: CA
circulus vitios: cGPA: 3.82, sGPA: 3.81, MCAT: 29 (12,8,9), Interviews:The Commonwealth Medical College
wrummingsjr: cGPA:3.61, sGPA: 3.7, Graduate GPA: 3.85, MCAT: 27N (8,9,10), State: NC
freshbagels: cGPA: 2.67, sGPA: 2.48, Graduate GPA (SMP): 4.0, MCAT: 39, Interviews: Cooper
Lexipi: cGPA: 3.94, sGPA: 3.91, MCAT: 27 (11,6,10), State: CA, Interviews: 5 (2 CA)
tinylilron: cGPA: 3.78 MCAT: 27 (9,8,10)
raeofsunshine: cGPA: 3.44, sGPA: 3.23, MCAT: 33 (12PS, 11V, 10BS) State: IL
FormerPhysicist: cGPA: 3.3, sGPA: 3.3, Post-bac GPA: 3.7, MCAT 31 (10,11,10) (multiple takes)
stila2458: cGPA: 3.4, sGPA: 3.4, MCAT: 29, State: CA, Interviews: Drexel
TwistinD: cGPA:3.2, sGPA: 3.2, Graduate GPA: 3.75, MCAT: PENDING
acceptmeplease: cGPA: 3.52, sGPA: 3.72, MCAT: 27, Interviews: LSU (ED)
Anicetus: cGPA: 3.6, sGPA: 3.75, MCAT: 31Q (14/6/11)
ChineseKid: cGPA:3.25, MCAT: 32, Canadian
CajunMedic: cGPA: 3.5, sGPA: 2.97, MCAT: 24 (10,8,6), State: LA
vijay100: cGPA: 3.93, sGPA: 3.90, MCAT: 28 (10,7,11) (1st take = 24) (ESL)
Pan1209: cGPA: 3.86, sGPA: 3.83, MCAT: 22
DrDreams: cGPA: 3.14, sGPA: 3.14, MCAT: PENDING
GingerGirl27: cGPA: 3.61, sGPA: 3.24, Graduate GPA: 3.74, MCAT: 34 (13,10,11), Interviews: Case Western, Duke, Mt Sinai, U Minnesota, U Virginia
Drtssg: cGPA: 3.44, sGPA: 3.25, MCAT: 35
sb247: cGPA: 2.97, sGPA: 3.25, MCAT: 31
novrain: cGPA: 3.48 (w/ post bacc GPA 3.96), sGPA: 3.44, MCAT: 32 (13,8,11)
Knocked Up's sis: cGPA: 3.93, sGPA: 3.92, MCAT: 31 (multiple < 30 scores)
tinylilron: cGPA: 3.78, sGPA: 3.8+, MCAT: 27 (9,8,10)
JaymezYu: cGPA: 3.25, sGPA: 3.15, MCAT: 32 (11, 09, 12), State: Texas
wh2k13: cGPA: 3.20, sGPA: 3.04, MCAT : 30 (10/9/11)
HH8911: cGPA: 3.7, sGPA: 3.7, MCAT: 28, State: CO
IndianaGirl13: cGPA: 3.85, sGPA: 3.80, MCAT: 28 (9,9,10), State: Indiana
buffalove89: uGPA: 3.27, PostBac GPA: 3.5, MCAT: PENDING
kiwi9195: sGPA: 3.25, cGPA: 3.5, MCAT: 31, State: North Dakota
jamiechan: sGPA 3.45, cGPA 3.47, MCAT 30 10/10/10, State: CA
hopefulMD12: GPAs: 4.0, MCAT: 37 (12,11,14) INTERNATIONAL STUDENT
sc91: cGPA: 3.54, sGPA:3.44, MCAT: 31, Interviews: 1
whatever5: cGPA: 3.63, sGPA: 3.51, MCAT: 29, B]Interviews:[/B] 1
miketheghost19: cGPA 3.47, sGPA 3.3, MCAT 28 (10 BS 9 VR 9 PS), State: MI
Maeby Funke: cGPA: 3.27; sGPA: 3.41, MCAT: 34 (12 PS, 11 BS, 11 VR)
GandalfTheWhite: 3.4 uGPA, 3.8 SMP, 35 MCAT (multiple takes), State: TX, Interviews: 4 (TX schools)!
Jennyfishy: cGPA: 3.78, sGPA: 3.72, MCAT: 28 (10 VR/BS, 8 PS), Interviews: U Wisconsin
HipChick: 3.4c 3.3s MCAT pending.
D2thaJay: cGPA: 3.9, sGPA: 3.95. MCAT: 27 (9,8,10) (P,V,B), State: OH, Interviews:: 2
star349: cGPA: 3.49, sGPA: 3.42, MCAT 32 (PS12,VS10,BS10), State: CA, INTERNATIONAL
IL Pre Med: 2.9 Undergrad cGPA, 3.9 Graduate GPA, MCAT pending
NeuroSho: cGPA:3.45, sGPA:3.35, MCAT: 29 (PS 10, VR 9, BS 10), State: NY
O Grady: 3.65c, 3.5s, 24 (10/8/6) retake on 8/15, State: UT
Haziqz: cGPA: 3.65, sGPA: 3.52, MCAT: 29Q (9PS/10V/10BS)
bear2roo: 3.64 cgpa, 3.64 sgpa, MCAT 1 : 27 (9/7/11), MCAT 2: 30 (12/7/11), State: CA
Helixkam: 3.43 cGPA, 3.32 sGPA, MCAT: 36
Domino2178: GPA: 3.42 MCAT: 27 (8/9/10) , 31 (10/9/12)
CUOptimus12: cGPA: 3.62, sGPA: 3.57.MCAT: 25S (7P/8V/10B); 29 (10/10/9); State: MD
Juiboi: cGPA: 3.42, sGPA: 3.47, MCAT: Pending - Took 7/02
han9427520: cGPA: 3.60, sGPA: 3.55, MCAT: 29P
Hassm1990: 3.71 cGPA, 3.83 sGPA, MCAT 28( 9 PS, 8 VR, 11 BS)
LostinLift: 3.19 cGPA/sGPA, 3.85 post-bacc, 36 MCAT
suits15: cGPA=3.35, sGPA= 2.98, MCAT: 30
gandalf1: cGPA : 3.34, sGPA : 3.17, MCAT : 33 (12P,11V,10B)
ES2: 3.43c, 3.49s, 31 (11P 8V 12B)
Blackxp: cGPA: 3.32, sGPA: 3.25, MCAT: 29 (10,9,10), State: NJ, Interviews: Cooper
JmsD: 3.42c, 3.35s, 34 MCAT
lmw312: cGPA: 3.59, sGPA: 3.36, MCAT: 33 (12 10 11)
alpharez: 3.5 sGPA, 26 MCAT (1st: 12,3,11 / 2nd: 9,7,10), STATE: CA
Medicalhopeful: GPA: 3.6, MCAT: 23, 28, STATE: CA
WingsFan: 3.3 cGPA, 3.25 sGPA, 31 MCAT (P:9, V:9, B:13)
margopdx: cGPA 3.32, sGPA 3.14, MCAT: 24, 32
Thrillhouse: cGPA: 3.53, sGPA: 3.75, MCAT: 27 (PS 8, VR 10, BS 9); Interviews: 1
lastdrop: 3.52/3.5/4.0 uGPA/sGPA/grad GPA; 4 MCATs in this order - 26, 29, 28, 33; Interviews: 4 (2 IS and 2OSS)
dnovikov: 3.65 cGPA, 3.6sGPA, 32 MCAT (13ps, 8vr, 11bs) - 2nd try
Kage: 3.77 cGPA, 3.6sGPA, 30 MCAT (9ps, 11vr, 10bs)
Pyrogenic: 3.5/3.6/3.9 uGPA/sGPA/gGPA; 32 MCAT 13p/8v/11b (4th take); State: CA; Interviews: 2 (OOS)
Becksncookies: 3.5/3.3 cGPA/sGPA, MCAT: Pending
johnamo: AMCAS GPA of < 3.1 cum < 3.0 sci, 36 MCAT, Interviews: Central Michigan
DrCaliBoy: cGPA-3.73, sGPA-3.71, MCAT-29 with 12phy 7ver 10bio
vassiliades21: 3.4 cGPA, 3.6 sGPA, MCAT 31 ps08/v12/bs11, State: FL, Interviews: University of South Alabama
bigred605: 3.7 cGPA, 3.72 sGPA, MCAT: 27, State: SD
MrWonderful: 3.57c, 3.4s, 27, B]Interviews:[/B] 1
fedoraenglish: 3.54 gpa and a 24 mcat
staysmiling16: cGPA 3.61, MCAT: 28 ( 9 PS, 9 VR, 10 BS) but I retook it on Aug 28th ,

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[Pacna]

I consider myself an underdog as a reapplicant.

3.9 GPA, 36 MCAT.

11 MD, 4 DO.

 

[Epinephreus]

I consider myself an underdog as a reapplicant.

3.9 GPA, 36 MCAT.

11 MD, 4 DO.

Really?

 

[gobigorgohome22]

I consider myself an underdog as a reapplicant.

3.9 GPA, 36 MCAT.

11 MD, 4 DO.

I'm surprised you didn't get in this past cycle. Any words of wisdom for those of us applying for the first time?

 

[dkpremed]

I consider myself an underdog as a reapplicant.

3.9 GPA, 36 MCAT.

11 MD, 4 DO.

How are your ECs? I don't see how you are an underdog regardless if you are reapplying or not.

 

[Mt Kilimanjaro]

Hey guys,

Having just submitted primary, I wanted a place for us underdogs to be able to discuss.
I consider myself to be an underdog. Here are my stats:

cGPA: 3.55, sGPA: 3.72, MCAT: 31 (10,11,10), State: GA

I will be applying to 26 MD schools

Median does not equal underdog.

 

[jaksmith]

.....

 

[DylanE]

I'm 3.3 cgpa 3.6 sgpa 33 MCAT, Ca resident. I'm worried as hell that my cgpa (which is horrible because of my time in city college) is going to hold me back... but applied to 28 schools so we shall see. Hopefully my ECs will make up the slack. Good luck all!

 

[sbhav]

Hey everyone! I would consider myself an underdog because of my MCAT score but here are my stats:
cGPA: 3.88
sGPA: 3.84
MCAT: 8PS/9VR/11BS (28)
State: GA (attended public state school)
Good luck

I'm applying to 25 schools

 

[pachewisc]

I consider myself an underdog as a reapplicant.

3.9 GPA, 36 MCAT.

11 MD, 4 DO.

 

[Doctor Strange]

I consider myself an underdog as a reapplicant.

3.9 GPA, 36 MCAT.

11 MD, 4 DO.

Being a reapplicant does not make you an underdog.

 

[jemstone]

Hey everyone! I would consider myself an underdog because of my MCAT score but here are my stats:
cGPA: 3.88
sGPA: 3.84
MCAT: 8PS/9VR/11BS (28)
State: GA (attended public state school)
Good luck

I'm applying to 25 schools

Had similar stats last cycle and got in. I think the GPA saved the MCAT.

The rest of you posters are kind of insulting to the real underdogs. But good luck to all of you!

 

[AxiomaticTruth]

Hey everyone! I would consider myself an underdog because of my MCAT score but here are my stats:
cGPA: 3.88
sGPA: 3.84
MCAT: 8PS/9VR/11BS (28)
State: GA (attended public state school)
Good luck

I'm applying to 25 schools

First real underdog here, good luck! Though great GPA, I'm sure you'll get a ton of interviews

 

[circulus vitios]

3.82 cGPA / 3.81 sGPA
29 MCAT (12 PS/8 VR/9 BS)

 

[sbhav]

First real underdog here, good luck! Though great GPA, I'm sure you'll get a ton of interviews

Thanks! I can only hope haha.

 

[sbhav]

Had similar stats last cycle and got in. I think the GPA saved the MCAT.

The rest of you posters are kind of insulting to the real underdogs. But good luck to all of you!

Thanks for sharing! Did any interviewers ever ask about your MCAT score?

 

[gobigorgohome22]

3.82 cGPA / 3.81 sGPA
29 MCAT (12 PS/8 VR/9 BS)

Hey everyone! I would consider myself an underdog because of my MCAT score but here are my stats:
cGPA: 3.88
sGPA: 3.84
MCAT: 8PS/9VR/11BS (28)
State: GA (attended public state school)
Good luck

I'm applying to 25 schools

Very similar stats. Good luck to you both.
Out of curiosity sbhav, what schools are you applying to (since we are both from the same state and lowish stats)?

 

[jemstone]

Thanks for sharing! Did any interviewers ever ask about your MCAT score?

Yes - one person out of all of my interviewers bothered to ask me directly about my MCAT score. He said "Hmm..it looks like you have an excellent GPA but you got a 28M on your MCAT. Do you think that's the best you can do? Do you have issues with standardized testing?" He was nice and we were having great conversation, he was just very thorough and very direct.

My best advice is to hold your ground - don't blame anyone/anything else for your score. Don't offer any explanation and take responsibility for your own score. That interviewer must have liked my approach because that was the school I got in to. You may face a lot of waitlists, but keep your spirits up and wow them with your EC's and interviewing skills!

 

[AlgernonMed]

3.54 cGPA/3.36 sGPA - MCAT: 33 (12 PS, 10, VR, 11 BS) UT Resident

Do you think that sGPA is going to kill my chances? My year-to-year breakdown of my sGPA is:
Freshman: 2.94
Sophomore: 3.51
Junior: 3.43
Senior: 3.49

 

[MamiMD]

Total underdog here. My post-bacc grades are nearly perfect, but I have an overseas degree (but not an international applicant). I would say my EC's are OK, not amazing.
Plus, I have limited geographical places I can apply to and so my school list is uncomfortably top heavy :/

Have about 15 schools to apply to, hopefully someone will bite

 

[sbhav]

Very similar stats. Good luck to you both.
Out of curiosity sbhav, what schools are you applying to (since we are both from the same state and lowish stats)?

I'm still fixing my list but so far I have:

Albany Medical College
Rosalind Franklin
Creighton
Drexel
Emory (extreme reach but whatever)
GWU
Georgetown
Hofstra
Howard
Loyola
Medical College of Wisconsin
Mercer
NYMC
OHSU
Penn State
Morehouse (maybe?)
Tulane
Tufts
U of Nebraska (I have strong ties to Nebraska)
U of Illinois at Chicago
U of Alabama at Birmingham (I'm doing a research internship here now, so I'm hoping that will help me)
Temple

What about you?

 

[gobigorgohome22]

seems like most underdogs so far have great GPAs but MCAT is the problem. I seem to be the opposite.

 

[sbhav]

Yes - one person out of all of my interviewers bothered to ask me directly about my MCAT score. He said "Hmm..it looks like you have an excellent GPA but you got a 28M on your MCAT. Do you think that's the best you can do? Do you have issues with standardized testing?" He was nice and we were having great conversation, he was just very thorough and very direct.

My best advice is to hold your ground - don't blame anyone/anything else for your score. Don't offer any explanation and take responsibility for your own score. That interviewer must have liked my approach because that was the school I got in to. You may face a lot of waitlists, but keep your spirits up and wow them with your EC's and interviewing skills!

Ok thanks, great advice!

 

[AlgernonMed]

seems like most underdogs so far have great GPAs but MCAT is the problem. I seem to be the opposite.

I feel like your GPA is actually pretty good. The cGPA is a little lower than average, but I think you'll get a lot of interviews. (especially considering your major. It looks like you nailed all the prerequisite courses but the engineering courses, which are usually very difficult and don't count towards the sGPA are lowering your cGPA.)

 

[sbhav]

seems like most underdogs so far have great GPAs but MCAT is the problem. I seem to be the opposite.

Your sGPA is very good, and I would not consider your cGPA bad either!

 

[freshbagels]

I suppose I qualify

uGPA: 2.67; sGPA 2.48
gGPA: 4.0 (SMP)
MCAT: 39

Applied to 20 schools, all MD. Have my secondaries pre-written and ready to go! I just need to get past the auto-screeners.

 

[gobigorgohome22]

I'm still fixing my list but so far I have:

Albany Medical College
Rosalind Franklin
Creighton
Drexel
Emory (extreme reach but whatever)
GWU
Georgetown
Hofstra
Howard
Loyola
Medical College of Wisconsin
Mercer
NYMC
OHSU
Penn State
Morehouse (maybe?)
Tulane
Tufts
U of Nebraska (I have strong ties to Nebraska)
U of Illinois at Chicago
U of Alabama at Birmingham (I'm doing a research internship here now, so I'm hoping that will help me)
Temple

What about you?

Albany Medical College
Cooper Medical School
Creighton U School of M
Drexel U C of M
Eastern Virginia MS
Emory
George Washington
Georgetown
Jefferson Medical College
MC Georgia
Medical U SC (weak state ties)
Mercer
New York Medical College
Oakland U
Rush
The Commonwealth
The U of Toledo
Tulane (ties to the state)
U of Central Florida
U of Kentucky
U of Louisville
U of Miami
U of S. Florida
U of SC - Greenville (weak state ties)
Virginia Commonwealth
West Virginia U S of M

We seem to have some overlaps but not as much as I expected. I tried to do as many sothern schools as possible (based on OOS acceptance) and stay east of the Mississippi. Just some comments about your list: Howard & Morehouse are majority African American, Loyola is a christian school.

 

[gobigorgohome22]

I suppose I qualify

uGPA: 2.67; sGPA 2.48
gGPA: 4.0 (SMP)
MCAT: 39

Applied to 20 schools, all MD. Have my secondaries pre-written and ready to go! I just need to get past the auto-screeners.

UHH it makes me sad to see your GPAs. Your are obviously a very smart individual! I hope you get in to your top choice man!

 

[sbhav]

Albany Medical College
Cooper Medical School
Creighton U School of M
Drexel U C of M
Eastern Virginia MS
Emory
George Washington
Georgetown
Jefferson Medical College
MC Georgia
Medical U SC (weak state ties)
Mercer
New York Medical College
Oakland U
Rush
The Commonwealth
The U of Toledo
Tulane (ties to the state)
U of Central Florida
U of Kentucky
U of Louisville
U of Miami
U of S. Florida
U of SC - Greenville (weak state ties)
Virginia Commonwealth
West Virginia U S of M

We seem to have some overlaps but not as much as I expected. I tried to do as many sothern schools as possible (based on OOS acceptance) and stay east of the Mississippi. Just some comments about your list: Howard & Morehouse are majority African American, Loyola is a christian school.

I actually had a lot of the schools you put as maybes (which basically means I just have to do more research on them on MSAR) but thanks I'll definitely be taking those three off my list then. Cooper is the new medical school in NJ right? I think I read about that one. Your list looks pretty good to me though

 

[487806]

Hey guys,

Having just submitted primary, I wanted a place for us underdogs to be able to discuss.
I consider myself to be an underdog. Here are my stats:

Major: Engineering
Asian

cGPA: 3.55, sGPA: 3.72, MCAT: 31 (10,11,10), State: GA


I will be applying to 26 MD schools

Already created before.

 

[gobigorgohome22]

Already created before.

Sorry, didnt see it when I searched before making this thread.

 

[487806]

Sorry, didnt see it when I searched before making this thread.

Yeah not a problem. It'll probably be merged with the other thread (this one is awesome due to a catchy title).

 

[gobigorgohome22]

I actually had a lot of the schools you put as maybes (which basically means I just have to do more research on them on MSAR) but thanks I'll definitely be taking those three off my list then. Cooper is the new medical school in NJ right? I think I read about that one. Your list looks pretty good to me though

Yep, Cooper is in NJ. That's actually a school I wasn't sure if I wanted to add or now. I ended up adding because its relatively new and decent OOS acceptance.

 

[ace12345]

Just verified by AMCAS:
3.59 cGPA
3.47 sGPA
36 MCAT

Hoping good ECs can carry me through!

 

[freshbagels]

UHH it makes me sad to see your GPAs. Your are obviously a very smart individual! I hope you get in to your top choice man!

Yea, it makes me sad as well. Do you want to keep the OP updated with a list of the underdogs/their stats/etc. to use as a resource for others? See the pre-osteo underdog threads for formatting.

 

[Lexipi]

I'm pretty sure I'm getting automatic rejections based on the verbal score .

 

[gobigorgohome22]

Underdog here..cGPA 3.94, sGPA 3.91
27 MCAT (11PS, 10 BS, 6V)

I'm pretty sure I'm getting automatic rejections based on the verbal score .

Are you planning on retaking?

 

[Lexipi]

Are you planning on retaking?

I am not retaking .. It would take me so long to improve on my verbal that I would have to push my application o next year. I also think my science sub scores would decrease

 

[gobigorgohome22]

I am not retaking .. It would take me so long to improve on my verbal that I would have to push my application o next year. I also think my science sub scores would decrease

True. I would try to study along side this application cycle though. Are you also applying to DO schools and would be happy going to a DO school if you dont get any love from MD?

 

[gobigorgohome22]

I consider myself an underdog as a reapplicant.

3.9 GPA, 36 MCAT.

11 MD, 4 DO.

Rik1111,
I made a conscious decision not to include you to the list above.
Sorry,

 

[Lexipi]

True. I would try to study along side this application cycle though. Are you also applying to DO schools and would be happy going to a DO school if you dont get any love from MD?

I haven't really shadowed a specific DO and this have no letter from one. My only hope is that schools will maybe consider my situation--English is my second language (parents do not speak any English and thus grew up in a home speaking Spanish only). Also, I am economically disadvantaged, first person in my family to go to college.

 

[Doctor Strange]

Just verified by AMCAS:
3.59 cGPA
3.47 sGPA
36 MCAT

Hoping good ECs can carry me through!

This is an insult to the actual underdogs.

 

[gobigorgohome22]

I haven't really shadowed a specific DO and this have no letter from one. My only hope is that schools will maybe consider my situation--English is my second language (parents do not speak any English and thus grew up in a home speaking Spanish only). Also, I am economically disadvantaged, first person in my family to go to college.

Not all DO schools require DO letter. There is a list somewhere in the pre-osthio of which schools do.

 

[sbhav]

Yep, Cooper is in NJ. That's actually a school I wasn't sure if I wanted to add or now. I ended up adding because its relatively new and decent OOS acceptance.

Well, best of luck with your cycle! I'm sure you'll get many interviews/acceptances.

 

[ace12345]

This is an insult to the actual underdogs.

Not 100% sure what you mean here. Most of the posters on this list have higher GPAs (Particularly sGPA. Some by a margin).

 

[Doctor Strange]

Not 100% sure what you mean here. Most of the posters on this list have higher GPAs (Particularly sGPA. Some by a margin).

cGPA >3.5, MCAT >35

http://edge.studentdoctor.net/wamc/All_Applicants.png

"I'm an underdog, guyz."

 

[ace12345]

cGPA >3.5, MCAT >35

http://edge.studentdoctor.net/wamc/All_Applicants.png

"I'm an underdog, guyz."

Okay thanks. Haven't seen this, but it's nice of you to post. OP feel free to remove me from your list above, and I apologize if I have undermined the purpose of this thread in any way.

 

[Doctor Strange]

Okay thanks. Haven't seen this, but it's nice of you to post. OP feel free to remove me from your list above, and I apologize if I have undermined the purpose of this thread in any way.

It's okay. Don't sell yourself short.

 

[gobigorgohome22]

Okay thanks. Haven't seen this, but it's nice of you to post. OP feel free to remove me from your list above, and I apologize if I have undermined the purpose of this thread in any way.

done

 

[occams_razor]

Median does not equal underdog.

yeah.. I was surprised to see some of the stats in this thread. to put things in perspective for people, here's some AAMC data:

for all applicants, the average science GPA is 3.44, the average overall GPA is 3.54
for all matriculants, the average science GPA is 3.63, the average overall GPA is 3.68

for all applicants, the average MCAT is 28
for all matriculants, the average MCAT is 31