Official 2014-2015 "Please help me rank these IM Programs" Megathread

[hawksfan]

Just finished the trail last week...whew. Pretty much have the bottom half all figured out but I'm not sure about the top half. I am interested in specializing (Pulm/CC or GI) but I might just give up and become a Hospitalist, pref academic.

Top 2
Minnesota & Baylor Houston: Both progs seem very rigorous and residents are well trained. The match list is great as well. Cities are polar opposite but I feel that I can stay in either one. Need help in which one is better in terms of reputation and training

3rd, 4th, and 5th
OSU, UIC, Iowa: Toss up really. Residents at all places seemed great and friendly. Chicago is..well Chicago. Iowa seems to have a better fellowship match. Family ties and badass new hospital in Colombus, OH. Any suggestions, again, in terms of reputation and training?

And a sidenote to some of the above posts, I'm really surprised that Wisc does not top your lists. I would have really killed for an invite from Madison. And I interviewed at CCF...it does not come off as a great program no matter what BS they feed you (although the food they fed us was quite stellar)

I loved Wisconsin, and its solidly in my top 3, but Mayo was amazing and I have some pretty strong ties to Iowa. Before Mayo it was a toss up between Iowa and Wisconsin for me though! Haha

Ps. I do think in terms of reputation and (maybe?) fellowship placement/fellowships, Iowa > Minnesota. But I know minneapolis > Iowa city in a lot of ways, if that's really important. ---> That could be wrong though so if it is, please don't jump down my throat SDN. Haha

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[vman51]

Hi all,

Looking at Primary Care IM programs in the Northeast (particularly NYC and surrounding), I'm finding it really tough to come up with a rank order. Anyone have thoughts on those programs? Particularly Montefiore vs NYU? Also MSSM, Cornell, Yale...

Would also like some info regarding this. Its difficult finding information regarding the PC programs. Monte is occasionally mentioned and discussed, but theres not much on the others

 

[johndoe3344]

general opinions on these 4 programs:
WashU
UCLA
UTSW
Cleveland Clinic

thinking pulm/crit fellowship for now. is UTSW as malignant as people say? i've heard thats a thing of the past. it seems like the insane patient volume at parkland is their biggest strength in producing very confident, sought-after applicants in the fellowship match.

I think any of the three excepting CCF would be fine for any fellowship you want. My personal bias is WashU >= UCLA = UTSW >>> CCF.

When I was applying last year, I got the same sense you did about UTSW. That they work their residents very hard, but the program is no longer "malignant".

 

[dcwm]

How would you rank UMass vs Montefiore?

I want to do Cards.

-I felt that Monte was extremely rigorous and residents are definitely not happy with work load/scut work/work hours...etc (they told me so themselves). Whereas UMass is a little better and the residents were hard working but seemed happier.
-Also the hospital at UMass was way more beautiful (especially ICU and CCU).

-However I felt that there was more research at Monte for cards, and had a better reputation with better fellowship opportunities in NY area and elsewhere.
-Also the Bronx-NYC>Worcester.....I think.

I think it boils down to how likely will I get a strong Cards fellowship out of these two?

Any opinions?

 

[hurryupnwait]

I'm having a lot of difficulty deciding between Vandy and Duke for my #1. I liked both programs and program leadership during my interview and felt that residents were a good bunch at both. I was leaning a little more toward Duke because I'm interested in eventually doing an adult congenital heart disease fellowship (matching med-peds) and felt that Duke has an overall better reputation in cards...but I also felt that Nashville >> Durham and didn't think picking Vandy over Duke would necessarily hurt my chances at fellowship.

Any opinions, corrections, comments would be appreciated!

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

I'm having a lot of difficulty deciding between Vandy and Duke for my #1. I liked both programs and program leadership during my interview and felt that residents were a good bunch at both. I was leaning a little more toward Duke because I'm interested in eventually doing an adult congenital heart disease fellowship (matching med-peds) and felt that Duke has an overall better reputation in cards...but I also felt that Nashville >> Durham and didn't think picking Vandy over Duke would necessarily hurt my chances at fellowship.

Any opinions, corrections, comments would be appreciated!

I would go with what you feel more comfortable with. Both will have strong fellowship matches. Vandy is a little more regional, Duke has a little more national reach and has a stronger reputation in medicine and especially cardiology, but for peds they're probably pretty even. In the end go with whatever place you think you would thrive at (more).

 

[Anonomouse]

Hi longtime lurker here, never post much but I need some help please.

I went to Yale, loved it, and thought it'd be my #1.
Then I went to Baylor and I loved it as well and now I don't know how to rank.

I'm interested in Heme/Onc, and was wondering what people think of the two programs. I tried to look up the discussion, most opinions are several years old at this point.

Thanks for the help.

 

[Member24680]

I'm having a lot of difficulty deciding between Vandy and Duke for my #1. I liked both programs and program leadership during my interview and felt that residents were a good bunch at both. I was leaning a little more toward Duke because I'm interested in eventually doing an adult congenital heart disease fellowship (matching med-peds) and felt that Duke has an overall better reputation in cards...but I also felt that Nashville >> Durham and didn't think picking Vandy over Duke would necessarily hurt my chances at fellowship.

Any opinions, corrections, comments would be appreciated!

Current Duke resident here. I have nothing but good things to say about Vandy and I agree that should go where you feel most comfortable. What I can say, however, is that Durham (and the surrounding cities including Raleigh, Chapel Hill, etc) is much more fun than people give it credit for. I came from a very big city and it was one of my major concerns but I've definitely had a blast out here. Hope that helps and good luck!

 

[iniquus]

I'm having a lot of difficulty deciding between Vandy and Duke for my #1. I liked both programs and program leadership during my interview and felt that residents were a good bunch at both. I was leaning a little more toward Duke because I'm interested in eventually doing an adult congenital heart disease fellowship (matching med-peds) and felt that Duke has an overall better reputation in cards...but I also felt that Nashville >> Durham and didn't think picking Vandy over Duke would necessarily hurt my chances at fellowship.
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It's a tough choice, but a great dilemma to have. Vanderbilt and Duke are both amazing internal medicine programs--you should be able to write your own ticket to fellowship. Duke has the slight edge on national reputation, but from a bird's eye view, they're both nationally renowned. Nashville > Durham, but Durham is still very livable with ample opportunity for recreation in the limited free time during residency. Nashville definitely has the better food and music scene, but Durham is on the rise and becoming a lot safer than it was. From what I hear, their populations are expected to double in the next decade. I feel that Vanderbilt has a reputation of people being genuinely "story-book nice." Base your decision on your gut feeling/fit with the residents, program leadership, and the location. Best advice I got on the trail was not to discount location.

 

[dcwm]

Please help me rank these programs (based on Reputation and competitiveness for Cardiology fellowship):

Montefiore
Methodist-Houston (really liked the hospital and city)
Albert Einstein-Jacobi
U at Buffalo (city was ok, hospital is not so nice, almost all of matches are in-house, 99% IMGs)
Rutgers New Jersey Medical School (possibly worst city on the list, hospital old looking, good research)
Lahey Clinic
UMass

 

[Inderoll]

Hey everyone, I'm nearing the end of my interview trail and I wanted the opinion on these programs reputation wise. I'm interesting in pursuing a cardiology fellowship in the future.

University of Mississippi - great pre-interview dinner experience, residents seem happy & have good camaraderie, being the only tertiary care center in the region you're gonna get great clinical training a see a very diverse array of pathology. concerns are: their competitive fellowship (cards, GI) are pretty much in-house or regional, I think it'd be harder to go to the NE or out west for a cards fellowship. Also you have to live in Jackson.

University of Nebraska - overall residents seemed very nice & welcoming during the interview day, faculty I interview with were all very supportive of their residents. However, I didn't get a "wow I'd fit in great with all the residents here" when I left compared to some other programs I interview at. The program seems to have a solid reputation in the midwest. Concerns are: the program leadership stated during the interview day they weren't a "fellowship heavy" type program, more focused on producing strong general internists and primary care, those that due pursue competitive fellowship positions seem to do fine regionally, again I think it would be hard going to the NE or West. Not too thrilled about Omaha.

Medical College of Georgia - similar to Ole Miss in the sense that the residents seem happy & have good camaraderie. I really liked the PD. I'm probably gonna see a ton of pathology given it's location and wide referral base. Fellowship matches are mainly in-house with a few scattered in the midwest. Seems a little more FMG heavy compared to other programs. Augusta isn't the best nor the worst place to live.

St. Louis University - residents seemed happy during the pre-interview dinner and was very welcoming, however I didn't get the same sense during my interview day. I had higher hopes & expectations coming into this interview. I just got the sense that it was dwarfed by Wash U next door and you wouldn't get the full tertiary referral base compared to the 3 programs above. Fellowship match was solid, but again mainly in-house. St. Louis is a better place to live than Jackson, Omaha, or Augusta though for me.

Wayne State / DMC - Again, I had high expectations coming into this interview, residents didn't seem as happy compared to the first 3 programs I listed. Some felt "overworked". Very FMG heavy, much more than I expected. The morning report was very good though and it seemed like you're gonna get great clinical training there. The fellowship match was mainly in-house, but they seemed to land a few people in good places each year.

 

[gl0baltrader]

Hi everyone,

I need help ranking my programs. I am interested in gastroenterology and academic medicine. I'm only halfway through my interview cycle (*** have not interviewed). Any opinion/input would be greatly appreciated. I don't know too much about the prestige of different internal medicine residency. Thanks.

# The Johns Hopkins Hospital: was blown away by the quality of the house staff, emphasis on teaching, plenty of autonomy, amazing research opportunities, busy patient census.
# Johns Hopkins Bayview - outstanding match list for cardiology and gastroenterology, young clinical faculties, light/moderate patient census, a lot of emphasis on primary care integrated in the curriculum.
# Cleveland Clinic Foundation: ***
# Mayo Clinic Rochester: ***
# UC Davis: ***
# UC Irvine: ***
# University of Wisconsin - Madison: excellent teaching, moderate patient census, excellent match list to gastroenterology, everyone is extremely friendly, i like the PD. A bit too cold in the winter.
# Harbor - UCLA: diverse patient population, busy patient census, not much emphasis on teaching, "was told to go somewhere else" by my interviewer.
# UCLA - Olive View: diverse patient population, moderate patient census, emphasis on teaching, house staffs were great, match list is pretty good - a lot of people matched to UCLA.
# California Pacific Medical Center: ***
# Scripps - Green: ***
# Kaiser Los Angeles: light patient census, good support system, in house gastroenterology fellowship - excellent match rate into in-house GI program.
# Kaiser Oakland: ***

 

[disorder]

Hi everyone,

I need help ranking my programs. I am interested in gastroenterology and academic medicine. I'm only halfway through my interview cycle (*** have not interviewed). Any opinion/input would be greatly appreciated. I don't know too much about the prestige of different internal medicine residency. Thanks.

# The Johns Hopkins Hospital: was blown away by the quality of the house staff, emphasis on teaching, plenty of autonomy, amazing research opportunities, busy patient census.
# Johns Hopkins Bayview - outstanding match list for cardiology and gastroenterology, young clinical faculties, light/moderate patient census, a lot of emphasis on primary care integrated in the curriculum.
# Cleveland Clinic Foundation: ***
# Mayo Clinic Rochester: ***
# UC Davis: ***
# UC Irvine: ***
# University of Wisconsin - Madison: excellent teaching, moderate patient census, excellent match list to gastroenterology, everyone is extremely friendly, i like the PD. A bit too cold in the winter.
# Harbor - UCLA: diverse patient population, busy patient census, not much emphasis on teaching, "was told to go somewhere else" by my interviewer.
# UCLA - Olive View: diverse patient population, moderate patient census, emphasis on teaching, house staffs were great, match list is pretty good - a lot of people matched to UCLA.
# California Pacific Medical Center: ***
# Scripps - Green: ***
# Kaiser Los Angeles: light patient census, good support system, in house gastroenterology fellowship - excellent match rate into in-house GI program.
# Kaiser Oakland: ***

You have quite the spectrum.

If you truly are interested in GI, put the uni programs up front. It's a tough match as it is.

JHU, Mayo, UWisco should round out your top 3.

 

[Handsome88]

You have quite the spectrum.

If you truly are interested in GI, put the uni programs up front. It's a tough match as it is.

JHU, Mayo, UWisco should round out your top 3.

I would say the 2 John Hopkins then UWisco should be top 3.

 

[Handsome88]

Please help me rank these programs (based on Reputation and competitiveness for Cardiology fellowship):

Montefiore
Methodist-Houston (really liked the hospital and city)
Albert Einstein-Jacobi
U at Buffalo (city was ok, hospital is not so nice, almost all of matches are in-house, 99% IMGs)
Rutgers New Jersey Medical School (possibly worst city on the list, hospital old looking, good research)
Lahey Clinic
UMass

Methodist
Monte
UMass
Rutgers=Buffalo=Lahey

 

[Niviancer]

Please help me rank these programs (based on Reputation and competitiveness for Cardiology fellowship):

Montefiore
Methodist-Houston (really liked the hospital and city)
Albert Einstein-Jacobi
U at Buffalo (city was ok, hospital is not so nice, almost all of matches are in-house, 99% IMGs)
Rutgers New Jersey Medical School (possibly worst city on the list, hospital old looking, good research)
Lahey Clinic
UMass

Monte > Buff ~ Rutgers ~ Jacobi> UMass > Lahey/Methodist

Check out the cardio match lists for the programs recently.

 

[Handsome88]

Monte > Buff ~ Rutgers ~ Jacobi> UMass > Lahey/Methodist

Check out the cardio match lists for the programs recently.

Methodist is one of the world leading Cardiology/Cardiac surgery centers with hundreds of trials, I don't think Buffalo, Rutgers and especially Jacobi come close. Looking at their matchlist they match mostly in Cardiology (3-4/10), most in-house with others at places like Yale and UCSF. It is NOT at Lahey's level! I would say Monte=Methodist>UMass and then the rest. And that's not even taking the city into consideration (Houston>>>Bronx/Buffalo/Newark)

 

[Niviancer]

Uhhhh... Methodist in Houston..??? I just checked out their match list. Its practically ALL internal at methodist for cards. Also, their "UCSF" is actualyl UCSF-Fresno which is day and night. They did get one in Yale and one in Emory. I think if you are serious about cards, it may make more sense to rank a real academic center. BTW, people in Bronx/Newark dont necessarily live in those cities as there are plenty of great places to live in the NY/NJ area. Buff... not so much

 

[Handsome88]

Uhhhh... Methodist in Houston..??? I just checked out their match list. Its practically ALL internal at methodist for cards. Also, their "UCSF" is actualyl UCSF-Fresno which is day and night. They did get one in Yale and one in Emory. I think if you are serious about cards, it may make more sense to rank a real academic center. BTW, people in Bronx/Newark dont necessarily live in those cities as there are plenty of great places to live in the NY/NJ area. Buff... not so much

True they mostly match in-house but then again they have a strong Cardiology program which may be why residents rank it #1. Buffalo also matches almost all in-house, Jacobi matches almost all to Monte (since they don't have their own Cards fellowship). So that means nothing. Also before 2015-2014 the cards fellowship match at Jacobi is dismal, so it just may be a lucky year.

it may make more sense to rank a real academic center

And Houston Methodist is not a real academic center? Have you checked their trials?! In terms of cardiology research and academics Methodist>>>Buffalo/Rutgers/Jacobi Not to mention it is ranked 18th in US News & WR, which is higher than any of the others. While this is not a basis for ranking, it must mean something.

 

[Niviancer]

Dude.. it's not. Not all highly rated institutions have good training programs. Tell me those people who matched there wouldnt rather go to even UT-H or any university center. I'm sure their fellowship is fine but I only piped in because your ranking suggestion seemed flagrantly homered towards the institution.

 

[Handsome88]

Dude.. it's not. Not all highly rated institutions have good training programs. Tell me those people who matched there wouldnt rather go to even UT-H or any university center. I'm sure their fellowship is fine but I only piped in because your ranking suggestion seemed flagrantly homered towards the institution.

I think you're purely looking at match lists to rank programs which is not wrong but doesn't always correlate with the reputation of the program and it's training as match lists in itself has many factors that play into it besides program reputation (i.e personal connections, residents that rather stay in the city they were in during residency, mentors...etc).

Where did you get the idea that Jacobi/Buffalo/Rutgers are better than UMass? I'm asking in all honesty because I've visited both Buffalo and UMass and there was no comparison. UMass' website says they have 100% match rate last year, and 90% in the past 10 years. Buffalo has >90% IMGs where has UMass has maybe 30%.

At the end they're all programs you can match in Cardiology in, so take into consideration the location, work-load, and aesthetic appeal of program. Places like Monte, Rutgers, UMass have rampant scut work. Where as Methodist has ZERO.

Taking everything into consideration I would rank them Monte=Methodist (depends on how ready you are to work your butt off) >UMass>Buffalo=Jacobi=Rutgers>Lahey.

 

[disorder]

I would say the 2 John Hopkins then UWisco should be top 3.

Really bro? Bayview > Mayo?

Or have I completely missed something.

 

[Niviancer]

I think you're purely looking at match lists to rank programs which is not wrong but doesn't always correlate with the reputation of the program and it's training as match lists in itself has many factors that play into it besides program reputation (i.e personal connections, residents that rather stay in the city they were in during residency, mentors...etc).

Where did you get the idea that Jacobi/Buffalo/Rutgers are better than UMass? I'm asking in all honesty because I've visited both Buffalo and UMass and there was no comparison. UMass' website says they have 100% match rate last year, and 90% in the past 10 years. Buffalo has >90% IMGs where has UMass has maybe 30%.

At the end they're all programs you can match in Cardiology in, so take into consideration the location, work-load, and aesthetic appeal of program. Places like Monte, Rutgers, UMass have rampant scut work. Where as Methodist has ZERO.

Taking everything into consideration I would rank them Monte=Methodist (depends on how ready you are to work your butt off) >UMass>Buffalo=Jacobi=Rutgers>Lahey.

1. The guy was asking about program reputation and cardio match. This negates your first paragraph
2. As am IMG, are you comparing IMG numbers as a detractor?
3. Monte is well known for scut.
4. Just pointing out how crazy your list initially was. Community programs are still community prograsm.

 

[Handsome88]

1. As I said matchlists of Methodist are similar to the rest (most match in-house)
2. It is a well known fact that IMG mills dont attract US gradd because they are less desirable.
3. That's what I said.
4. Not all community programs are the same! You have it all wrong. CCF is a community program, so is Cedars. UB is NOT superior to these. I think Methodist is at their level. Interested to know what others think about this..."community program is a communiy program".

You didn't tell me why is UMass lower than the rest. Interested to know. I interviewed there and was under the impression it was very reputable.

 

[footballyus]

Any thoughts?

UCSD
Brown
UPMC
Baylor (Houston)

 

[iniquus]

Any thoughts?

UCSD
Brown
UPMC
Baylor (Houston)

These programs are all in different parts of the country--so location should be a big factor in your ranking decision. Solely going off debatable SDN reputation, UPMC >= UCSD > Baylor > Brown

 

[jdh71]

Any thoughts?

UCSD
Brown
UPMC
Baylor (Houston)

nice set of choices

pick a city

 

[dcwm]

Monte > Buff ~ Rutgers ~ Jacobi> UMass > Lahey/Methodist

Check out the cardio match lists for the programs recently.

Thank you. Buff, Rutgers, and Jacobi have a better reputation than UMass? I liked UMass the best out of these.

 

[gutonc]

Thank you. Buff, Rutgers, and Jacobi have a better reputation than UMass? I liked UMass the best out of these.

Then rank it the highest. Don't try to make this more complicated than it is.

 

[lulu09]

Now that the interview season is winding down, I kind of have a general question about community vs. academic programs.

I've posted in the WAMC thread before the beginning of this cycle, but basically I have a very low Step 1 score coming out of a decently well known med school. Since my scores are so low, I'm facing a choice very different from a lot of my classmates, who are choosing from between the top 10 programs. I'm right now very interested in pulm/CC, maybe GI, maybe heme/onc - but I'm 75% certain I will specialize.

I managed to go on 20 interviews this season, a huge mix between mid-range academic programs and community programs (some I'm frankly very unimpressed with). I have a pretty good sense of what is good and what is not, but an added factor is that I'm actually couples matching and this is going to change up my rank list a bit. If I was matching solo, I would certainly just go down the list for the 10 or so academic programs that I have interviewed at, but the complicating factor is that my SO has some pretty good choices at cities where I only have community program interviews. I've looked at their fellowship lists and it doesn't seem like going to these programs will prohibit me from going into the fellowships that I listed above, but I will be geographically limited and probably need to work very hard to build connections/audition rotations (if my assumptions are correct).

So, other than geographic limitation and the fact that I need to work harder to secure a fellowship, does going to a community program have any other downsides that are not immediately obvious for someone who wants to go into fellowship? (I understand that I'm signing up for an arguably less rigorous training because of smaller census, less research, and fewer training sites/volume. I do however feel like some community program faculty seem to teach way more than some of the university programs I visited, so I feel like university doesn't necessarily equate to better teaching or vice versa) Also, when considering fellows, would any (or for the sake of argument, most) university program applicants automatically trump applicants from community programs based on reputation?

Some community programs try to sell me on the point that since they have no fellows, pulm/CC fellowship applicants coming out of their program have done more central lines than first year fellows at the programs they interviewed yet and this makes them very strong applicants. Yet, it's not like these fellowship applicants are getting into nationally renowned programs... So is this (better supposed "hands-on" training at community programs) even relevant?

There were some "community-university" programs that I've visited this season who also have med students and a good number of dual appointment faculty that I feel like serve literally as the community site for a larger university program and I feel like they weren't any worse than the "low tier" university programs that I interviewed at. I just want to make sure since I'm fairly certain I want to specialize but I don't want to shoot myself in the foot too much come 2-3 years later when I'm doing the fellowship apps should I choose to go to a community program. If reputation truly matters a lot, then I will try my hardest to stay at my school for residency.

I hope some of this makes sense. Thanks for your help!

 

[gutonc]

Reputation matters, but it's not the only thing, particularly on this end of the spectrum. It's not like you're choosing between Hopkins and South Dakota Community General Hospital and Nursing Home.

If you're a decent candidate for fellowship coming out of a low tier Univ program, you'll be a decent candidate coming from a community program. You are more than likely going to be the limiting factor in the equation, NOT the program you come from.

 

[Instatewaiter]

Hi everyone,

I need help ranking my programs. I am interested in gastroenterology and academic medicine. I'm only halfway through my interview cycle (*** have not interviewed). Any opinion/input would be greatly appreciated. I don't know too much about the prestige of different internal medicine residency. Thanks.

# The Johns Hopkins Hospital: was blown away by the quality of the house staff, emphasis on teaching, plenty of autonomy, amazing research opportunities, busy patient census.
# Johns Hopkins Bayview - outstanding match list for cardiology and gastroenterology, young clinical faculties, light/moderate patient census, a lot of emphasis on primary care integrated in the curriculum.
# Cleveland Clinic Foundation: ***
# Mayo Clinic Rochester: ***
# UC Davis: ***
# UC Irvine: ***
# University of Wisconsin - Madison: excellent teaching, moderate patient census, excellent match list to gastroenterology, everyone is extremely friendly, i like the PD. A bit too cold in the winter.
# Harbor - UCLA: diverse patient population, busy patient census, not much emphasis on teaching, "was told to go somewhere else" by my interviewer.
# UCLA - Olive View: diverse patient population, moderate patient census, emphasis on teaching, house staffs were great, match list is pretty good - a lot of people matched to UCLA.
# California Pacific Medical Center: ***
# Scripps - Green: ***
# Kaiser Los Angeles: light patient census, good support system, in house gastroenterology fellowship - excellent match rate into in-house GI program.
# Kaiser Oakland: ***

- The top of your list should be JHH and Mayo.
- Bayview is a strong program but not nearly as strong as JHH and mayo. For a while I considered ranking this number one because it has a great match list. It is notas rigorous as some other programs on your list but is a good program
- Wisconsin is a strong program
- CCF has a stronger name than its training and the housestaff are sometimes babied. Things at CCF are very segregated (for instance all cards/chest pain/HF goes to one of 11 cardiology services rather than IM like most places, Liver issues to liver, nephro to nephro and the like. I think having undifferenitated patients is better for your training). They however do see some very rare things. I think the training, while lemented on SDN, is improving over the years.

- Cali programs- I don't know enough to comment

 

[dlkdlkdlk]

Maybe thinking heme/onc but am not quite sure. I am considering Hopkins Bayview vs George Washington vs Jefferson. Help!

 

[drivenby]

Which one would you rank higher, St Luke's Roosevelt (NYC) or Jacobi?

I am planning to do a fellowship in either : cards/id/pulmcrit/hemoonc

 

[235009]

Which one would you rank higher, St Luke's Roosevelt (NYC) or Jacobi?

I am planning to do a fellowship in either : cards/id/pulmcrit/hemoonc

SLR

 

[ChessMaster3000]

What is the relative reputation of Duke vs Penn? In general I have heard Penn to be of a higher reputation for its internal medicine program, is this still the case or is Duke of the same or greater caliber?

 

[gutonc]

What is the relative reputation of Duke vs Penn? In general I have heard Penn to be of a higher reputation for its internal medicine program, is this still the case or is Duke of the same or greater caliber?

 

[obiwan]

What is the relative reputation of Duke vs Penn? In general I have heard Penn to be of a higher reputation for its internal medicine program, is this still the case or is Duke of the same or greater caliber?

Its like asking who is the better QB, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, there isn't a right answer. (me personally I'm a Brady kinda guy)

 

[jdh71]

Its like asking who is the better QB, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, there isn't a right answer. (me personally I'm a Brady kinda guy)

Who has the hotter wife though?!??!??

 

[redpanda]

What is the relative reputation of Duke vs Penn? In general I have heard Penn to be of a higher reputation for its internal medicine program, is this still the case or is Duke of the same or greater caliber?

Haha, I have no idea, but I was very pleased with both when I went this year. Pretty sure you cannot go wrong by picking either program.

 

[EaglesAllDay]

......

 

[gutonc]

Hi Guys, US IMG here with only 4 interviews :'(

How would you rank these programs?

University of MD Midtown campus
St Agnes (primary track)
Rartian Bay medical center
Prince George's Hospital center

by a statistical point of view I only have a slightly less then 60 percent chance of matching, so my odds arent really taht great but I do hope I land somewhere, please help me....thanks

Help you with what exactly? Finding a time machine so you can go back and apply to another 150 programs?

You've interviewed at 4 programs that most people have never even heard of. Rank them how you like them and cross your fingers.

 

[JonnyLaw]

Just finished interviewing today. I got my top choice figured out but need some help ranking the rest of these mid tier programs. I am leaning toward GI. I have no preference in terms of location. All these programs appear to have great clinical training as well as a 3 hospital system, which is a huge plus. So here is what I have at the moment ordered by the nit picky things:

U. Minn: Liked the program. A lot of room for electives. Really nice VA. Residents seem well prepared.
U. Utah: Super cool PD. Really nice hospital. Tons of outdoor activities available. Not a lot of elective time during PGY1.
UMD: Another really awesome PD. Diverse patient population. GI matching not very impressive.
Wake: Liked the PD and residents. Not a lot of research opportunities. Mostly in-house matching for GI.
U. Rochester: Takes a lot of their own for fellowship overall and decent GI matching elsewhere. Didn't really like the hospital. Residents seem well trained and autonomous.

Thanks in advance for your time and input.

 

[Instatewaiter]

Just finished interviewing today. I got my top choice figured out but need some help ranking the rest of these mid tier programs. I am leaning toward GI. I have no preference in terms of location. All these programs appear to have great clinical training as well as a 3 hospital system, which is a huge plus. So here is what I have at the moment ordered by the nit picky things:

U. Minn: Liked the program. A lot of room for electives. Really nice VA. Residents seem well prepared.
U. Utah: Super cool PD. Really nice hospital. Tons of outdoor activities available. Not a lot of elective time during PGY1.
UMD: Another really awesome PD. Diverse patient population. GI matching not very impressive.
Wake: Liked the PD and residents. Not a lot of research opportunities. Mostly in-house matching for GI.
U. Rochester: Takes a lot of their own for fellowship overall and decent GI matching elsewhere. Didn't really like the hospital. Residents seem well trained and autonomous.

Thanks in advance for your time and input.

I think you have some very good options and most will serve you well. Research is going to be what you make of it. There can be tons of research in a place but if you don't do the work, nothing is going to get done. A good PD goes a long way. Go with your gut. Back in the day, I interviewed at UMD and really liked it.

Flip a coin between Minn and Utah- right before you flip the coin, which one are you hoping it lands on? Go with that over the other. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Pinkleton]

Trying to figure out where to put Georgetown and Drexel on my list...interested in reputation and training quality mostly. I've read nothing but bad things about Drexel but those threads are a few years old, and GT doesn't seem to get much love either. Any insight into these two???

 

[jdh71]

Help you with what exactly? Finding a time machine so you can go back and apply to another 150 programs?

You've interviewed at 4 programs that most people have never even heard of. Rank them how you like them and cross your fingers.

Harsh. But true.

 

[EaglesAllDay]

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[gaomusic]

Help you with what exactly? Finding a time machine so you can go back and apply to another 150 programs?

You've interviewed at 4 programs that most people have never even heard of. Rank them how you like them and cross your fingers.

Wow. Lmao. Great advice doc.

 

[Escherichia]

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[vman51]

The question is: what would you rank higher, a crummy program in the specialty you always wanted, or a very nice program in a specialty that you like, but is not your dream?

Very personal question and really only you can decide how much weight is given to program vs specialty. General advice is to follow what you want to do, which for you might involve going to a crappy program for the specialty that you want. Keep in mind, you're going to be working in that field a lot longer than you'll be training at the program. Only you can decide if its worth it.