Official 2019-2020 Endocrinology fellowship match

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odne said:
IU/IOWA > UF >> UC Irvine >>>Phoenix/Tuscon
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Great! thank you.
What criteria did you use the most to rank these programs? I still didn't go to a few of them. What do you think about adding Tufts and DHC to the list? how it's going to change it?
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EndoMoodi said:
Great! thank you.
What criteria did you use the most to rank these programs? I still didn't go to a few of them. What do you think about adding Tufts and DHC to the list? how it's going to change it?
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I interviewed at a few of those programs and used mostly combo of prestige, size of faculty, resources of the programs, alumni placement, etc. Dartmouth would be pretty good, but that location and town is rough. I would put Tufts up high on that list but it is one of the weaker Boston programs.
 
odne said:
I interviewed at a few of those programs and used mostly combo of prestige, size of faculty, resources of the programs, alumni placement, etc. Dartmouth would be pretty good, but that location and town is rough. I would put Tufts up high on that list but it is one of the weaker Boston programs.
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Lebanon is very college town, but getting around NE is fairly easy...Boston is just 2.5 hours drive...and there are daily flights and buses.
 
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Did anyone interview in Elmira New York? How is the program?
 
Does your residency program ask you guys about your interviews? like confirmation emails and dates? Are they allowed to do so or its against ACGME rules?
 
Any thoughts on evaluating continuity clinics in fellowship? Some programs seem to have mostly continuity clinics, such as 5 half days per week. Whereas others do 1/2-1 day continuity clinic and the rest is in attending general or subspecialty clinics.
My current feeling is that the more continuity clinic the better as you will be following more patients. But I also like the idea of learning from each sub-specialist.
Essentially I am not sure how these differences look in thenday to day fellowship world.
 
ARhospitalist said:
Any thoughts on evaluating continuity clinics in fellowship? Some programs seem to have mostly continuity clinics, such as 5 half days per week. Whereas others do 1/2-1 day continuity clinic and the rest is in attending general or subspecialty clinics.
My current feeling is that the more continuity clinic the better as you will be following more patients. But I also like the idea of learning from each sub-specialist.
Essentially I am not sure how these differences look in thenday to day fellowship world.
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That’s a lot of continuity clinics, but there are times when seeing your “own” patients is nicer than constantly going in with patients accustomed to numerous different approaches from each attending. However, with as many clinics as there will be over the course of a 2-year fellowship, I don’t think of having only 0.5-1 continuity clinic day per week as a problem. It’s nice to have the variety of being with different attendings in their specialities and a focus for each half day rather than something completely different each patient throughout the continuity clinic.

Has everyone finished up interviews? Any other thoughts on programs or program structures? It seems the major busy times are consult services and some programs divide diabetes and the rest of endo while others lump them together. I think separating seems worthwhile but am I overlooking something?
 
Future applicant- for scheduling purposes, which months do interviews usually take place? Sept-Nov? Mostly in october?

Thanks, and good luck everyone!
 
75713 said:
That’s a lot of continuity clinics, but there are times when seeing your “own” patients is nicer than constantly going in with patients accustomed to numerous different approaches from each attending. However, with as many clinics as there will be over the course of a 2-year fellowship, I don’t think of having only 0.5-1 continuity clinic day per week as a problem. It’s nice to have the variety of being with different attendings in their specialities and a focus for each half day rather than something completely different each patient throughout the continuity clinic.

Has everyone finished up interviews? Any other thoughts on programs or program structures? It seems the major busy times are consult services and some programs divide diabetes and the rest of endo while others lump them together. I think separating seems worthwhile but am I overlooking something?
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Yep done with interviews. My thought too on the continuity clinics. But I see positives of each.
And yes most places I interviewed have consults mostly in the first year.. Ranging from 15 weeks to almost half the year. Then second year has minimal consult time. I am not looking at 3 year research programs.
I think it would be important to at least have help with the diabetes/blood sugar management consults. It seems like some places have a well entrenched "glucose management team" with lots of APP support while others do not. I can tell you that every surgical service at my home hospital wants someone else to manage the patient's insulin orders (be that gen med consults or endocrinology consults). So it seems like services can get overwhelmed if they don't have a structure in place.
I guess other things to look at would be what Sub-sub specialty of endocrine interests you. Different institutions have different strengths of their program.
Good luck in your ranking process.
 
pavetta said:
Future applicant- for scheduling purposes, which months do interviews usually take place? Sept-Nov? Mostly in october?

Thanks, and good luck everyone!
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Late August, all September and October. Didn't notice any November dates. Depending on how many places you plan to interview at you could probably fit them all in one month.
 
How does the committee go about ranking people? Do they sit around a room and start off with "ok which of our internal candidates want to go here?" followed by just going one by one down the list and ranking from that? Or does faculty start off with a favorite or two of each and they go from there?
 
Can you guys please help me to rank these programs given that I have no geographic ties?
University of Nebraska, Dartmouth, University of Buffalo, Thomas Jefferson University
 
Endo_MD said:
Can you guys please help me to rank these programs given that I have no geographic ties?
University of Nebraska, Dartmouth, University of Buffalo, Thomas Jefferson University
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I would personally do Jeff >> UNebraska > Dartmouth >>> Buffalo
 
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Can somebody pm me to help me rank my programs... thanks

The reason for PM is because I don't want to discuss ranking in public, thanks.

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Are any programs known to be somewhat malignant? What about the top 20 or 30 programs?
 
Any recs on ranking U Wisconsin, UC Davis, and Wake forest?
 
I'm guessing it's safe to certify list at this point? Getting stressed about the match

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How many inpatient consults per day are approaching too much? 5 maybe? 7?
 
odne said:
How many inpatient consults per day are approaching too much? 5 maybe? 7?
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There are no caps... and it depends on the consult... sugar service? Those are generally simple...

Also depends on if you are alone...but usually you have a resident or 2 and a med student or 2, the work can be shared.
 
SaltyDr said:
More the better, you do fellowship to learn

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There is a point of diminishing returns... if you are so busy doing consults, your ability to learn can be compromised... no time to write up posters or papers, not time for cementing you’re knowledge.
Endocrinology is one of the most cerebral specialty... we like thinking about things... grunt work isn’t that conducive to that.
 
Can someone tell the difference between both the University of Phoenix and the University of Tucson programs? Which one is a stronger program and why do you think so?
Thanks in advance!
 
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Did anyone of u interview @ U Wisconsin/ U Minnesota?
Need help between U Wisconsin vs U Minnesota
 
Do you all think you will match your top few choices? I have a feeling I'll either match #1 or waay down the list.
 
Have the programs submitted their rank order lists? Is it too late to email a program telling them that they are my top choice?
 
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Drkhan.endo said:
When do programs usually submit rank order lists?
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No idea. I kinda think once they make it, that's that. I doubt they go back and be like "omg someone e-mailed and is ranking here #1... BACK TO THE LIST!"
 
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Drkhan.endo said:
When do programs usually submit rank order lists?
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I think most programs’ interview committee groups meet after each interview session to have people fresh in mind. Then shortly after the last interview probably one final meeting to set the list. I imagine those happened weeks ago at this point.
 
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they interview SO many ppl how the hell do they remember anyone after 2-3 months. Cuz during the interview they seem to give u a lot of attention but Idk I feel it seems hard to remember 30-40 ppl at the end
 
Drkhan.endo said:
they interview SO many ppl how the hell do they remember anyone after 2-3 months. Cuz during the interview they seem to give u a lot of attention but Idk I feel it seems hard to remember 30-40 ppl at the end
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seriously? this is not IM interviews...at best a place is interviewing 20- 30 people... are your trying to tell me you can't remember the details of 30 people? do you not remember your pts?

and they make up the lists as they go along and then just consolidate the list at the end...its not like everyone sits around a table and discusses the applicants...
 
I wonder if it's a mix of just a scoring sheet and they line up the applicants based on total score vs. more fluidity with ranking based on non-objective measures like their gut or impressions
 
rokshana said:
seriously? this is not IM interviews...at best a place is interviewing 20- 30 people... are your trying to tell me you can't remember the details of 30 people? do you not remember your pts?

and they make up the lists as they go along and then just consolidate the list at the end...its not like everyone sits around a table and discusses the applicants...
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So all ur replies are really annoying and rude. Are u even an applicant? get over urself ok it was a question i asked because i felt like . If u dont wanna answer then DONT
 
Drkhan.endo said:
So all ur replies are really annoying and rude. Are u even an applicant? get over urself ok it was a question i asked because i felt like . If u dont wanna answer then DONT
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No I am where you are praying everyday to be...A board certified endocrinologist.
Been there, done that...on both sides as a candidate and a reviewer of applications...

And I gotta feeling you were probably memorable...

And I did answer the question... you just don’t like the answer.
 
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Kinda late, but what do you guys think about ranking Baylor vs Houston Methodist?
 
Endo_life said:
Kinda late, but what do you guys think about ranking Baylor vs Houston Methodist?
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Baylor has the name and is much stronger from academic sense, plus the VA training too. Probably more competitive to get the IV. Methodist appears more cushy and geared to PP so depends on what you're looking for. Which program had happier fellows?
 
What do you guys think of University of Cincinnati vs Henry Ford? Please help.

Will really appreciate your suggestions.
 
Is it better to avoid programs in which a good chunk (say 20 percent or more) of patients require interpreters? Some programs I interviewed at had very few per year needing interpreters and others it seemed like 40% needed them.
 
I hope every one finalized the ROL. Good Luck with Match.
 
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Is it a big red flag as an applicant if program didn't email you after the interview (for a reminder to register to match, etc)
 
Is this it?
Anything else needs to be done?
 

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Ms.Endo88 said:
UNC vs UTSW Dallas?
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Tough choice but IMO UTSW > UNC. That being said with utsw you have to drive far to the VA hospital. It's also hotter and you may need spanish interpreters more than UNC.
 
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