*~*~*~* Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2019-2020 *~*~*~*

[Lampy]

So I have 6 poster presentations (3 in one activity all presented at the same national conference, 1 in my current research lab at the campus conference, one in my old research lab at a regional conference, and another in a separate activity at a national conference (my name was also on a presentation given at a national conference but I did not attend)). I am actually getting a letter of rec from 3 of 4 of these activities and all four activities these posters are based on will have their own entries. My question is should I separate these all into one posters/presentations tab?

I also have a summer job this summer on campus working with computers for about 200 hours, would that be worth mentioning? I have condensed everything else into 11-13 entries without putting the summer job (I have also been an Resident Assistant and had leadership in the role/ been promoted).

Also also, I got a university scholarship for my continued participation in my research lab ( I think about 50 people get it a year, I go to a very big university). Would that be better separated (putting me at 14 if I made one entry for all the posters, another for the job, and another for the award).

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[Catalystik]

1) So I have 6 poster presentations (3 in one activity all presented at the same national conference, 1 in my current research lab at the campus conference, one in my old research lab at a regional conference, and another in a separate activity at a national conference (my name was also on a presentation given at a national conference but I did not attend)). I am actually getting a letter of rec from 3 of 4 of these activities and all four activities these posters are based on will have their own entries. My question is should I separate these all into one posters/presentations tab?

2) I also have a summer job this summer on campus working with computers for about 200 hours, would that be worth mentioning? I have condensed everything else into 11-13 entries without putting the summer job (I have also been an Resident Assistant and had leadership in the role/ been promoted).

3) Also also, I got a university scholarship for my continued participation in my research lab ( I think about 50 people get it a year, I go to a very big university). Would that be better separated (putting me at 14 if I made one entry for all the posters, another for the job, and another for the award).

1) All the noncampus posters can be in one space. See post #808 above for how to make them fit. Put the campus poster with the affiliated Research entry.

2) I suggest saving the new job so you have something fresh to mention on Secondaries.

3) You could group the research related scholarship with other recognitions, or let it have its own space if it needs a lot of explanation.

 

[907914]

Maybe a silly question:

In the Army Reserves I conducted a training at the Mayo Clinic simulation center. On my app, as part of a giant list of different military exercises and trainings I have conducted, I typically put the Base and state they were in. Obviously, Mayo Clinic is not a military base so I put “Mayo Clinic Simulation Center - Rochester, Minnesota.” It is obvious that I am talking about the hospital not the school, but is there any chance having that in there is harmful?

I already submitted so can’t change, just popped up as I am writing a secondary about something that happened there.

 

[907914]

How sure are you that bulleting is okay for this section? Hearing some rumblings that you’re supposed to write reflective paragraphs for each activity, even if it’s not MM. Thanks for your help

I think it depends on the activity. For instance, listing shadowing and research experiences is totally standard.

Other things are situationally dependent. For instance, I listed every training longer than a week I did with the reserves

“WAREX hospital excercise - base, State, date
Teamwork in the hospital excercise- base, state, date
HOSPEX field training excercise - base, state, date” and so on. They are fairly self explanatory by the title of “that’s a military event.” None of them are particularly meaningful individually, but collectively are a time commitment in excess of 2000 hours so they are worth mentioning.

 

[greatjoyousday]

Submitted about a week ago. Thank you so much @Catalystik for all the help you're providing to everyone!

 

[Catalystik]

In the Army Reserves I conducted a training at the Mayo Clinic simulation center. On my app, as part of a giant list of different military exercises and trainings I have conducted, I typically put the Base and state they were in. Obviously, Mayo Clinic is not a military base so I put “Mayo Clinic Simulation Center - Rochester, Minnesota.” It is obvious that I am talking about the hospital not the school, but is there any chance having that in there is harmful?

I can't think of a way it would hurt you.

 

[Catalystik]

How sure are you that bulleting is okay for this section? Hearing some rumblings that you’re supposed to write reflective paragraphs for each activity, even if it’s not MM. Thanks for your help

You can't use real "bullets" as the formatting won't come out right. Instead use a "*", a "-", or a number.

Every activity does not lend itself to introspection and impact statements. Every space isn't best served by using one method vs another (bullets vs narrative), so you get a choice. You also have the option of using bullet points to begin and then adding some narrative, too. Your choice. But don't force "reflection" if the activity isn't suited to it.

 

[Catalystik]

Submitted about a week ago. Thank you so much @Catalystik for all the help you're providing to everyone!

You're welcome.

 

[Forum_blue1]

Good evening, I had a couple questions about research designated activities:
1. Does managing a research project and the lab and personnel, count toward a job or research title? Responsibility was delegated to me from the PI to recruit all the participants, recruit extra lab techs, teach each lab tech, and then execute the protocol and collect data.
2. Would a Master's Capstone be worthy of a full activity slot (it used data from the above project, but is separate in its scope and objectives to the primary study)?
Thanks for your time!

 

[907914]

esponsibility was delegated to me from the PI to recruit all the participants, recruit extra lab techs, teach each lab tech

If paid, non-clinical employment. If unpaid, leadership not mentioned elsewhere.

and then execute the protocol and collect data.

This is the research part

Would a Master's Capstone be worthy of a full activity slot (it used data from the above project, but is separate in its scope and objectives to the primary study)?

This would likely warrant its own spot if you need the space.

 

[Forum_blue1]

Thanks!

 

[Catalystik]

1) if you have multiple positions in a club over years, what do you put for activity title?
2) How do you deal w it when you've had multiple positions depending on the year (i.e. committee member, treasurer, president etc.)?

1) Member of [XXXX] Club with Leadership Roles.
2) In the narrative put the dates of each role, or say junior year, senior year, etc.

 

[Catalystik]

for the contact person for each activity to verify it, do you put their current title in their career or just their title/relationship to the club/activity?

Put the title that was relevant at the time of the activity.

 

[Catalystik]

I was community service chair for an extracurricular group. Would this be comm service non clinical or extracurricular? I would say comm service but then I wonder how that'd be since I was later president of this group as well.

Why not carve out the leadership hours for all roles and list them under Leadership. Keep the community service separate in its own space with its own hours and dates.

 

[Catalystik]

What counts for clinical comm service?

Volunteering in a position where you interact with current patients in a helpful way.

 

[rrj11]

You might be able to fit them all in one space using some strategies:

-List the ones set up through the coordinator first and use that contact in the header.
-List primary care near the top so they are easily seen.
-Order the rest by greatest number of hours.
-If you have a group with low hours or who are subspecialists, you could summarize them without giving names or contact information by saying, "I also shadowed a pediatric endocrinologist (4 hr), bariatric surgeon (3 hr), cardiac intensivist (2 hr) and geriatrician (6 hours). Total 15 hr.
-Pay no attention to MD vs DO in making your decisions, as MD schools won't care.

These are just ideas. Some other parameter may make more sense to you in how to break them down. Feel free to ask further questions.

Isn't providing contact information required? Who would I put down for the physicians that I coordinated myself?

 

[Catalystik]

Isn't providing contact information required? Who would I put down for the physicians that I coordinated myself?

For as many as you have space to put them into the narrative, add a Contact who is the physician, office manager, receptionist, or nurse that will recall you.

 

[rune2h]

Good morning activities thread.

I had a full tuition scholarship awarded for service/leadership. I was thinking about categorizing this under community service and putting the various service activities related to it under one entry (there are enough individual activities that it would easily fill 10+ spaces if I had to split them up). This scholarship was re-awarded by committee every year and was contingent upon continued leadership/service, would this be an appropriate categorization? Or should I just keep it under "Award" and put the associated community service hours there?

 

[deleted972488]

Good morning activities thread.

I had a full tuition scholarship awarded for service/leadership. I was thinking about categorizing this under community service and putting the various service activities related to it under one entry (there are enough individual activities that it would easily fill 10+ spaces if I had to split them up). This scholarship was re-awarded by committee every year and was contingent upon continued leadership/service, would this be an appropriate categorization? Or should I just keep it under "Award" and put the associated community service hours there?

Put it under awards and describe it similarly to how you did here.

Create a separate entry for the volunteering activities you did under this award.

 

[Catalystik]

I had a full tuition scholarship awarded for service/leadership. I was thinking about categorizing this under community service and putting the various service activities related to it under one entry (there are enough individual activities that it would easily fill 10+ spaces if I had to split them up). This scholarship was re-awarded by committee every year and was contingent upon continued leadership/service, would this be an appropriate categorization? Or should I just keep it under "Award" and put the associated community service hours there?

Put it under awards and describe it similarly to how you did here.

Create a separate entry for the volunteering activities you did under this award.

I agree with EmbryonalCarcinoma's two-space approach, but if you are limited on available spaces, and want it all in one slot, enter it as Volunteer Not Medical/Clinical, list the activities, then at the end of the narrative, describe the associated award.

Alternatively, if you have a lot of spaces left, you could carve out the leadership-only activities and list them in a third space under Leadership-Not Listed Elsewhere, with their own dates and total hours. Just be careful not to double count any of the hours.

 

[kliklaker]

Hi activities thread,

I'm part of a club that provides both clinical and nonclinical volunteering. I have 200 hr clinical (ER clinical trial stuff) and 170 hr nonclinical (public outreach, health fairs, etc). Should I keep it under one entry, or should I split the volunteering into two separate entries but for the same club?

Thanks!

 

[907914]

Hi activities thread,

I'm part of a club that provides both clinical and nonclinical volunteering. I have 200 hr clinical (ER clinical trial stuff) and 170 hr nonclinical (public outreach, health fairs, etc). Should I keep it under one entry, or should I split the volunteering into two separate entries but for the same club?

Thanks!

Split it so that you can check both boxes. Makes it easier for any ADCOM who is CNTRL+F'ing your page to find what they are looking for.

 

[Catalystik]

I'm part of a club that provides both clinical and nonclinical volunteering. I have 200 hr clinical (ER clinical trial stuff) and 170 hr nonclinical (public outreach, health fairs, etc). Should I keep it under one entry, or should I split the volunteering into two separate entries but for the same club?

Two entries, though the same club sponsors both, since they fall into two desirable categories, and because you have sufficient hours for each component.

 

[Lurkvey]

I’m doing a fair amount of lumping of research experiences because I am worried about having too many research entries (my stats are a mixed bag for the majority of research heavy school, though I am planning to apply to a few) while having only one non-medical community service entry (100-200 combined from 3 experiences that are very similar). I do have two entries with a large amount of volunteer teaching/TA hours, but I don’t think of them as community service experiences.

So, I assume it is best to not call attention to having a ton of research and I want to keep my projects under one spot. However, this only leaves room for a 1 or 2 sentences of layman’s description of projects.
1a. Is adding jargon/detail important?
1b. I assume if I mark it as MM, leave the jargon out of the extra space?
All of my projects were in a single computational lab, but they fall under different fields and mostly different methods.

2. I already have publications for my major projects other than the latest one. Would it be worth adding a space for presentations/posters that I did or contributed towards (PI presented, but I was given credit for contributing to) for the latest project?

Unrelated to the above:
3a. My overall GPA is below average due to community college, would it be worth highlighting PBK (and thus my university GPA) by calling my honors entry “PBK and other honors”? Or does it probably not matter too much if adcoms are already looking at the activities section?
3b. Do I have to list what the requirements for PBK and other honors were at my university?

 

[deleted840028]

For artistic endeavors, is it okay to list self for contact information?

 

[Catalystik]

For artistic endeavors, is it okay to list self for contact information?

It is, but better to use an advisor, teacher, publisher, group member, etc, to legitimize the activity if possible.

 

[Catalystik]

I’m doing a fair amount of lumping of research experiences because I am worried about having too many research entries (my stats are a mixed bag for the majority of research heavy school, though I am planning to apply to a few) while having only one non-medical community service entry (100-200 combined from 3 experiences that are very similar). I do have two entries with a large amount of volunteer teaching/TA hours, but I don’t think of them as community service experiences.

So, I assume it is best to not call attention to having a ton of research and I want to keep my projects under one spot. However, this only leaves room for a 1 or 2 sentences of layman’s description of projects.
1a. Is adding jargon/detail important?
1b. I assume if I mark it as MM, leave the jargon out of the extra space?
All of my projects were in a single computational lab, but they fall under different fields and mostly different methods.

2. I already have publications for my major projects other than the latest one. Would it be worth adding a space for presentations/posters that I did or contributed towards (PI presented, but I was given credit for contributing to) for the latest project?

Unrelated to the above:
3a. My overall GPA is below average due to community college, would it be worth highlighting PBK (and thus my university GPA) by calling my honors entry “PBK and other honors”? Or does it probably not matter too much if adcoms are already looking at the activities section?
3b. Do I have to list what the requirements for PBK and other honors were at my university?

1a) It's not essential. If an interviewer happens to be matched with you due to identical disciplines, you can spew jargon then.
1b) If your description bleeds over into the MM space, you won't be the first to use it that way. Just take care that the paragraph break is in the right place to end at 700 characters.

2) Yes. Just be sure to give credit to the actual presenter.

3a) Sure. Go ahead and include it.
3b) Yes. PBK criteria, at least, vary by school.

 

[mgmd3733]

Hi! I'm having trouble choosing my 3 MM activities so I was hoping to get some opinions

1. Research (definitely including this)
2. Community service chair my sorority for 2 years. I planned 6 events throughout the year, so I did a lot of work as far as organizing. Obviously got to meet many great non-profits, helped on farms, Special Olympics, made sure everyone completed 10 hours of service beyond these events, etc. Thinking of including this because it shows I was a leader, and very involved in service
3. Volunteering for 2 summers at a hospital in the city on ENT and Oncology floors for 4 hrs every week. This was definitely important to me. I had a lot of patient interaction, and did get to interact with the nurses and some physicians. I'm sure just sure if I should include it bc I mentioned it in a paragraph of my PS?
3. At my college, I was one of several seniors who gave one-on-one infos/ interviews to incoming students. Did this about 6 hrs/week throughout the year. This really improved my communication skills, as I had to be able to answer all questions about the school to students and their parents, as well as talk about my own experiences. I also had to make students feel comfortable for interviews and learn about them. I loved being able to help kids find a college that they loved. However, obviously this isn't medical related.

Any opinions would be great!

 

[Catalystik]

I have two MM comments that I am very happy with
1) My current research job that is bench work and patient oriented
2) A clinical volunteer experiences

For my third option I am struggling between a prior research experience that was also very impactful and a leadership experience in my religious community. I am obviously worried about portraying similar competencies if I were to pick both research experiences, but I do think that I will be able to differentiate them.

Everyone I ask gives me a different answer, which makes me think it will make no practical difference. I am still worried about it

Side note is that I am applying to a mix of MD and MD/PhD

How would you characterize the prior research experience, as compared with the one you gave more detail about?

With the leadership experience, how did you "make a difference?"

For which one would you need the most space to explain?

 

[Catalystik]

Hi! I'm having trouble choosing my 3 MM activities so I was hoping to get some opinions

1. Research (definitely including this)
2. Community service chair my sorority for 2 years. I planned 6 events throughout the year, so I did a lot of work as far as organizing. Obviously got to meet many great non-profits, helped on farms, Special Olympics, made sure everyone completed 10 hours of service beyond these events, etc. Thinking of including this because it shows I was a leader, and very involved in service
3. Volunteering for 2 summers at a hospital in the city on ENT and Oncology floors for 4 hrs every week. This was definitely important to me. I had a lot of patient interaction, and did get to interact with the nurses and some physicians. I'm sure just sure if I should include it bc I mentioned it in a paragraph of my PS?
3. At my college, I was one of several seniors who gave one-on-one infos/ interviews to incoming students. Did this about 6 hrs/week throughout the year. This really improved my communication skills, as I had to be able to answer all questions about the school to students and their parents, as well as talk about my own experiences. I also had to make students feel comfortable for interviews and learn about them. I loved being able to help kids find a college that they loved. However, obviously this isn't medical related.

Any opinions would be great!

#1 is fine. #2 and #3 sound good.

 

[CRISPR_Queen]

How would you characterize the prior research experience, as compared with the one you gave more detail about?

With the leadership experience, how did you "make a difference?"

For which one would you need the most space to explain?

Hi Catalystik! The prior research experience was an intensive undergrad experience (two years, two summers, a paper). My current research experience is a full time job

I talk about using my leadership position to make it a more inclusive space, making sure everyone was welcome regardless of disability. Serving in that role was absolutely very personally meaningful to me, but not sure "how it looks"

 

[mtrotchie]

1) At what point would one list something as paid employment vs teaching or vice versa? I had a job rather significant to me throughout undergrad that encompasses teaching/TA/tutoring, but it was paid employment. Is picking teaching always the preferred if it fits?
2) I also obtained a supervisor type position that could be leadership, teaching, or paid employment. It consisted of lots of mentoring/leadership type stuff.
3) I received training as an EMT where I did 72 hours of clinicals, but I did not work as one. I simply couldn't find a job that accommodated full time school. I have it listed under clinical observation since 72 hours is still a lot, will this raise red flags? I believe I could justify in an interview question.

I have a volunteer tutor position listed as teaching right now because I have plenty of volunteering through another activity, and a leadership slot from 2 club officer positions. Right now both ECs in from 1/2 are listed as employment because they were and I would otherwise have none.

 

[Peter Pan.]

Is it important to have a hobbies section? Got 15 entries but need to include a volunteering activity.

 

[Catalystik]

Hi Catalystik! The prior research experience was an intensive undergrad experience (two years, two summers, a paper). My current research experience is a full time job

I talk about using my leadership position to make it a more inclusive space, making sure everyone was welcome regardless of disability. Serving in that role was absolutely very personally meaningful to me, but not sure "how it looks"

You will have other opportunities to expound further on the prior research experience via the MD/PhD essay. I suggest going with the Leadership for MM, especicially due to it being particularly meaningful to you. Downtone the religious component so you are comfortable with "how it looks" keeping in mind what part of the country you're applying in and where you most want to end up. I think you'll have enough to say otherwise that will be universally appealing.

 

[Catalystik]

1) At what point would one list something as paid employment vs teaching or vice versa? I had a job rather significant to me throughout undergrad that encompasses teaching/TA/tutoring, but it was paid employment. Is picking teaching always the preferred if it fits?
2) I also obtained a supervisor type position that could be leadership, teaching, or paid employment. It consisted of lots of mentoring/leadership type stuff.
3) I received training as an EMT where I did 72 hours of clinicals, but I did not work as one. I simply couldn't find a job that accommodated full time school. I have it listed under clinical observation since 72 hours is still a lot, will this raise red flags? I believe I could justify in an interview question.

4) I have a volunteer tutor position listed as teaching right now because I have plenty of volunteering through another activity, and a leadership slot from 2 club officer positions. Right now both ECs in from 1/2 are listed as employment because they were and I would otherwise have none.

1) Once you have one experience under Teaching, you are free to pick Employment, as it implies more responsibility and accountability. Picking Employment can also be a better choice when you want to cover a situation with multiple components, like leadership.

2) Keep in mind that a Leadership tab should be for leadership alone, with its own dates and total hours. This position might be better under Employment, with mention of the leadership role in the name you give the activity.

3) Details of curricular activities fit better under the Other tag.

4) Seems to me it would be fine to leave all those Activities tagged as you have.

 

[Catalystik]

Is it important to have a hobbies section? Got 15 entries but need to include a volunteering activity.

Hobbies or Artistic Endeavors are an opportunity to show adcomms you have stress-relieving leisuretime activities, important to someone going into medicine, and also potentially to share a memorable aspect if your life that will be different from other applicants, who largely have similar experiences otherwise.

 

[MD-2020R08]

Does the contact email listed have to be a company email? I did some volunteeer work with a local YMCA group awhile back and the supervisor said he does not use a company email. I will also be providing his phone number.

 

[mtrotchie]

1) Once you have one experience under Teaching, you are free to pick Employment, as it implies more responsibility and accountability. Picking Employment can also be a better choice when you want to cover a situation with multiple components, like leadership.

2) Keep in mind that a Leadership tab should be for leadership alone, with its own dates and total hours. This position might be better under Employment, with mention of the leadership role in the name you give the activity.

3) Details of curricular activities fit better under the Other tag.

4) Seems to me it would be fine to leave all those Activities tagged as you have.

Thank you so much, that was extremely helpful!
I have 2 more questions now and then I think I'll be ready to submit.

1) I completed a double major (both BA's), on AMCAS I see there is a spot to list degrees and majors. Right now I have both majors listed and 2 bachelors of arts listed, but I'm unsure if I would only list one BA since it was a "double major" and not a "dual degree" (BA/BS)

2) I understand that most people take like 9-12 boxes for AMCAS, I've got 14. I'm not trying to just fill boxes, I honestly feel as though they are pretty justified. I could possibly whittle it down to 12 or 13, but I feel like that may cause some things I wanted to highlight to be lost. What would you recommend? I attached a picture that may help.

 

[Catalystik]

Does the contact email listed have to be a company email? I did some volunteeer work with a local YMCA group awhile back and the supervisor said he does not use a company email. I will also be providing his phone number.

That's fine.

 

[Peter Pan.]

Hobbies or Artistic Endeavors are an opportunity to show adcomms you have stress-relieving leisuretime activities, important to someone going into medicine, and also potentially to share a memorable aspect if your life that will be different from other applicants, who largely have similar experiences otherwise.

Is it an absolute must to include hobbies in the primary? I see a lot of secondaries ask about it.

 

[Catalystik]

Thank you so much, that was extremely helpful!
I have 2 more questions now and then I think I'll be ready to submit.

1) I completed a double major (both BA's), on AMCAS I see there is a spot to list degrees and majors. Right now I have both majors listed and 2 bachelors of arts listed, but I'm unsure if I would only list one BA since it was a "double major" and not a "dual degree" (BA/BS)

2) I understand that most people take like 9-12 boxes for AMCAS, I've got 14. I'm not trying to just fill boxes, I honestly feel as though they are pretty justified. I could possibly whittle it down to 12 or 13, but I feel like that may cause some things I wanted to highlight to be lost. What would you recommend? I attached a picture that may help.View attachment 268367

1) Ask in the AMCAS general questions thread.

2) If you have plenty of non-fluff comments to make, you're fine. Eagle Scout could been folded into Asst Troop Leader, though, considering it was primarily accomplished through HS activities.

What is your source of active clinical experience with current patients?

And what are you saying about video games?

 

[Catalystik]

Is it an absolute must to include hobbies in the primary? I see a lot of secondaries ask about it.

What percent of your target schools asked, historically?

 

[mtrotchie]

1) Ask in the AMCAS general questions thread.

2) If you have plenty of non-fluff comments to make, you're fine. Eagle Scout could been folded into Asst Troop Leader, though, considering it was primarily accomplished through HS activities.

What is your source of active clinical experience with current patients?

None at the moment, I am taking a gap year and have recently applied to scribe jobs. I've got 120 hours of shadowing and the EMT clinicals did encompass basic patient care though, so I hope my lack of clinical work won't be too bad.

 

[Peter Pan.]

What percent of your target schools asked, historically?

I will have to check. Do you think I could combine intramural sports with hobbies?

 

[Catalystik]

None at the moment, I am taking a gap year and have recently applied to scribe jobs. I've got 120 hours of shadowing and the EMT clinicals did encompass basic patient care though, so I hope my lack of clinical work won't be too bad.

I added a second question above about video games, before seeing your response.

Have you gotten input from a school premed advisor about the lack of actual patient experience?

 

[Catalystik]

I will have to check. Do you think I could combine intramural sports with hobbies?

Yes.

 

[Catalystik]

I added a second question above about video games, before seeing your response.

Have you gotten input from a school premed advisor about the lack of actual patient experience? Or did you interact with real patients in training?

 

[Peter Pan.]

Yes.

Ok sounds good. Thanks for the help!

Just wanted to clarify one more thing. I have a leadership position as an entry. Also with this leadership position I have a lot of volunteering hours. I should make the volunteering hours with this position a separate entry correct?

 

[mtrotchie]

I added a second question above about video games, before seeing your response.

Have you gotten input from a school premed advisor about the lack of actual patient experience? Or did you interact with real patients in training?

1) I have always been told that clinical work experience is nice, but not necessary and that shadowing is the main concern. I'm not a nontraditional student, but I had a nontraditional route through college and was not able to accommodate a scribe/EMT job because my last 2.5 years when I switched into premed were filled with advanced sciences and an on campus job was the best option to maintain grades.

2) It's more than video games, but it encompasses that too. I got into computers awhile back and built my own, staying up to date with tech stuff is something I really enjoy and I've gone on to help a few friends build their own PCs as well. The video games part is just because they've been my main source of decompressing from stress/work and is a way I keep up with several friends who I don't live near anymore.

 

[Catalystik]

Just wanted to clarify one more thing. I have a leadership position as an entry. Also with this leadership position I have a lot of volunteering hours. I should make the volunteering hours with this position a separate entry correct?

Correct. With their own dates and not-previously-entered hours.