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I took a nutrition capstone course my spring semester senior year and was wondering if its worth including this in my work/activities section? It required a lot of collaboration and teamwork. We had a final poster at end of semester and various scientific writing assignments. we had to come up with our own research project as a team. If I do include it would this be considered research, extracurricular, or other?
As the experience was curricular and includes components of multiple categories, “Other“ would be a good choice.
 

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For poster/publications activity, who and what would be an appropriate contact and organization, especially if I did research for multiple people?
 
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For poster/publications activity, who and what would be an appropriate contact and organization, especially if I did research for multiple people?
Pubs can be authenticated if they are available through an online search with the information in your citation, so a more recent PI can be used in the header without including other Contacts. For posters, the PI of the project is often used; after the first in the header, give contact information for others in the narrative space.
 

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Do I need to list every doctor I shadowed or can I group them? Most of my shadowing comes from program such as SMDEP and such. I got a lot of hours, but it was overall about 12 different doctors in short spurts. Can I list shadowing done during those programs and what speciality it was or do I actually need to list Dr. X 8 hours, Dr. Y 8 hours, etc.
 
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Do I need to list every doctor I shadowed or can I group them? Most of my shadowing comes from program such as SMDEP and such. I got a lot of hours, but it was overall about 12 different doctors in short spurts. Can I list shadowing done during those programs and what speciality it was or do I actually need to list Dr. X 8 hours, Dr. Y 8 hours, etc.
Its fine to summarize, especially when one Contact can validate many if the “short spurts.” So you dont need to list the name of every doc. See item #10 in post 2 of this thread.
 
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Do I need to list every doctor I shadowed or can I group them? Most of my shadowing comes from program such as SMDEP and such. I got a lot of hours, but it was overall about 12 different doctors in short spurts. Can I list shadowing done during those programs and what speciality it was or do I actually need to list Dr. X 8 hours, Dr. Y 8 hours, etc.
You can list SHPEP as an academic enrichment opportunity and mention ypu shadowed a dozen providers. (Others may suggest differently?)
 
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You can list SHPEP as an academic enrichment opportunity and mention ypu shadowed a dozen providers. (Others may suggest differently?)
Well I was going to have that as one entry to talk about it more but seperate out the shadowing into a group of its own. I didn't know if I really needed to list in two places that shadowing was part of the program.

Also, you just reminded me that they changed their name since I've participated. When listing it, should I use their current name or the name it was under when I participated. If it even matters that is.
 
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Well I was going to have that as one entry to talk about it more but seperate out the shadowing into a group of its own. I didn't know if I really needed to list in two places that shadowing was part of the program.

Also, you just reminded me that they changed their name since I've participated. When listing it, should I use their current name or the name it was under when I participated. If it even matters that is.
My own thoughts, if it's part of SMDEP, include it for the SMDEP description. SHPEP and its predecessors have been around 30 years, so most of us won't have an issue with just including your shadowing hours during your program there. To that end, it doesn't really matter if you list as SMDEP because we know of the name change as well as changes in campuses that came with the focus towards more interprofessional careers and larger diversity scope. You can be accurate with the contemporaneous name and location in your description.
 
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Well I was going to have that as one entry to talk about it more but seperate out the shadowing into a group of its own. I didn't know if I really needed to list in two places that shadowing was part of the program.

Also, you just reminded me that they changed their name since I've participated. When listing it, should I use their current name or the name it was under when I participated. If it even matters that is.
I'll give the variant opinion that you ought to have a dedicated Shadowing space, so adcomms will find it where they expect to see it listed. I feel it's best to divide the hours into Shadowing and, eg, Other, with the latter discussing the additional aspects of the program that will benefit your application.
 

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I'm grouping together the jobs I've had and I was wondering if it's okay to use the repeat button for each new job? I'm putting the dates in the description but I don't quite have enough room left to also write out the hours.
 
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I'm grouping together the jobs I've had and I was wondering if it's okay to use the repeat button for each new job? I'm putting the dates in the description but I don't quite have enough room left to also write out the hours.
Unless the narrative description applies to all the "Repeated" entries, like each job had the same description, it will be confusing to readers if you use that feature. As an alternative, maybe you can cut out the job description for those that readers would intuit, eg waitperson, retail clerk, childcare, dogwalker, etc.
 

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Unless the narrative description applies to all the "Repeated" entries, like each job had the same description, it will be confusing to readers if you use that feature. As an alternative, maybe you can cut out the job description for those that readers would intuit, eg waitperson, retail clerk, childcare, dogwalker, etc.
It does! I've been a server at different restaurants so I described my years of serving in general. Would you say it's okay in my case or would it still be better to list the total hours?
 
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It does! I've been a server at different restaurants so I described my years of serving in general. Would you say it's okay in my case or would it still be better to list the total hours?
See if you can make it work. Write a rough draft and ask someone else to read it and comment on whether it makes sense.
 
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@Catalystik On my application, I added in 170 hours for an activity because I had 140 hours around time of submission and added in 30 hours for some training that I did outside of volunteer hours on my own time. But the supervisor notified me that she won't validate the 30 hours extra and will say they were added as unapproved hours on my application. Is it worth it for me to send out an update email, or should I just let it be and if contacted, then explain why there was a discrepancy? I don't want it to seem like i was intentionally fluffing my hours...
 
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@Catalystik On my application, I added in 170 hours for an activity because I had 140 hours around time of submission and added in 30 hours for some training that I did outside of volunteer hours on my own time. But the supervisor notified me that she won't validate the 30 hours extra and will say they were added as unapproved hours on my application. Is it worth it for me to send out an update email, or should I just let it be and if contacted, then explain why there was a discrepancy? I don't want it to seem like i was intentionally fluffing my hours...
Let it be. You were fluffing your hours and should not have included the training time, which was not "Volunteering." If you'd asked, I might have suggested you mention the extra 30 hours as Training Time in your narrative, but not included this in the Total Hours space. On a positive note, having a verifiable 140 hours is sufficient to "check the box." Only if challenged should you explain the extra 30 hours. In a very humble way.
 
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Let it be. You were fluffing your hours and should not have included the training time, which was not "Volunteering." If you'd asked, I might have suggested you mention the extra 30 hours as Training Time in your narrative, but not included this in the Total Hours space. On a positive note, having a verifiable 140 hours is sufficient to "check the box." Only if challenged should you explain the extra 30 hours. In a very humble way.
By checking the box you mean, the discrepancy won't make a huge difference in whether they question it or not?
 

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I mean that you will still have fulfilled their expectation for involvement in that category, if they discover that only 140 hours are validated.
Thank you! Do you know if such discrepancies are likely to result in an offer of admission being rescinded?
 
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Thank you! Do you know if such discrepancies are likely to result in an offer of admission being rescinded?
If a significant concern were raised, you'd be given an opportunity to explain. At most schools, a 30 hour discrepancy would be tolerated. If there were multiple instances of "fluff" or outright disregard of truth, I'd have more concern.
 

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Hi! I have a question about listing research experiences. I have a lot of research experience from a number of different labs, of which 2 were long term and resulted in posters and presentations (1 of these I also completed a thesis project in). I currently have it broken up as follows:

1. Full time research assistant in lab A post-grad, ~3500 hrs
2. Research assistant and lab manager in lab B for work-study during undergrad, ~1000 hrs
3. Senior thesis research project in lab B & 2 national conference presentations (first author), ~500 hrs
4. Undergraduate research in labs C, D, E, ~1000 hrs total
5. 4 national conference posters and presentations from lab A (first, second, and fourth author)
6. 2 research grants during undergrad (1 was for senior thesis and is also mentioned in description of #3)

I divided out #s 1-4 based on the amount of time I put towards each research experience, and gave the senior thesis project its own slot partly because I couldn't fit the presentations into my main Posters and Presentations activity. But I'm wondering now if this is too many W&A slots dedicated to research-related activities. Should I combine all the Posters and Presentations with their respective research activity? Should I include the grants with the projects I used them for instead of giving them their own slot? Or is it okay to have so many research-related activities listed? For reference, I was on a research-focused career path until a couple years ago and have been working in a clinical setting since then, but I do think my research experience should be noted in the W&A section since I don't highlight it as much in the rest of my application.
 
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Hi! I have a question about listing research experiences. I have a lot of research experience from a number of different labs, of which 2 were long term and resulted in posters and presentations (1 of these I also completed a thesis project in). I currently have it broken up as follows:

1. Full time research assistant in lab A post-grad, ~3500 hrs
2. Research assistant and lab manager in lab B for work-study during undergrad, ~1000 hrs
3. Senior thesis research project in lab B & 2 national conference presentations (first author), ~500 hrs
4. Undergraduate research in labs C, D, E, ~1000 hrs total
5. 4 national conference posters and presentations from lab A (first, second, and fourth author)
6. 2 research grants during undergrad (1 was for senior thesis and is also mentioned in description of #3)

I divided out #s 1-4 based on the amount of time I put towards each research experience, and gave the senior thesis project its own slot partly because I couldn't fit the presentations into my main Posters and Presentations activity. But I'm wondering now if this is too many W&A slots dedicated to research-related activities. 1) Should I combine all the Posters and Presentations with their respective research activity? 2) Should I include the grants with the projects I used them for instead of giving them their own slot? Or is it okay to have so many research-related activities listed? For reference, I was on a research-focused career path until a couple years ago and have been working in a clinical setting since then, but I do think my research experience should be noted in the W&A section since I don't highlight it as much in the rest of my application.
I reviewed your metrics and other Activities in your WAMC thread and would agree about your concern of overemphasized research, considering the schools where you have the best chances of success. I would say Yes to your two suggestions. Further, you might fold #2 & 3 together (and maybe split out the Lab Manager position as Leadership, listing those hours separately if they are significant).
 
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I reviewed your metrics and other Activities in your WAMC thread and would agree about your concern of overemphasized research, considering the schools where you have the best chances of success. I would say Yes to your two suggestions. Further, you might fold #2 & 3 together (and maybe split out the Lab Manager position as Leadership, listing those hours separately if they are significant).
Thank you for the advice! I was hesitant to split out the Lab Manager leadership role given how much space I was using for research already, but I will play around with restructuring how you advised and it might make more sense to highlight the leadership as opposed to the specific research projects. The lab manager role was about 400 out of the 1000 total hours in that lab (not including the ~500 on the thesis project) so I do think it's a significant enough experience, and one of the grants I was awarded was for leadership in that lab as well.
 
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Thank you for the advice! I was hesitant to split out the Lab Manager leadership role given how much space I was using for research already, but I will play around with restructuring how you advised and it might make more sense to highlight the leadership as opposed to the specific research projects. The lab manager role was about 400 out of the 1000 total hours in that lab (not including the ~500 on the thesis project) so I do think it's a significant enough experience, and one of the grants I was awarded was for leadership in that lab as well.
I agree that you should highlight the Lab Manager leadership aspects if you split it out. Having 400 hours in that Leadership role is sufficiently meaty. This would be an excellent space to mention the leadership-related grant you received for that role.
 
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Just had an interview (yay!) but in my AMCAS I had an activity that hadn't started when completing my primary in May so it says "Completed Hours, 05/2022 - 05/2022, 0 hours" but then has the anticipted date to be 07/2022 - 06/2023 plus anticipated hours. My interviewer thought this was an error because the timeline didn't add up as I had work in another city that ended in early July, and basically they said it wasn't a big deal but it really threw me off and made me nervous. I thought that was how AMCAS directed us to do anticipated activites, but now I'm just overthinking but hoping it was just an issue with this interviewer? Idk I just need some reassurance here :dead:
 
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Just had an interview (yay!) but in my AMCAS I had an activity that hadn't started when completing my primary in May so it says "Completed Hours, 05/2022 - 05/2022, 0 hours" but then has the anticipted date to be 07/2022 - 06/2023 plus anticipated hours. My interviewer thought this was an error because the timeline didn't add up as I had work in another city that ended in early July, and basically they said it wasn't a big deal but it really threw me off and made me nervous. I thought that was how AMCAS directed us to do anticipated activites, but now I'm just overthinking but hoping it was just an issue with this interviewer? Idk I just need some reassurance here :dead:
I believe you filled out the future activity as was intended. Since it is a new capability of the application, adcomms are still adjusting to how it presents itself. An overlap of dates is understandable. Did you start the new activity later in July? Did you explain the end date of the first and the start date of the second at the new location?
 

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I believe you filled out the future activity as was intended. Since it is a new capability of the application, adcomms are still adjusting to how it presents itself. An overlap of dates is understandable. Did you start the new activity later in July? Did you explain the end date of the first and the start date of the second at the new location?
Ok, that makes a lot of sense, thank you! And yes, unfortunately I was working/living in one city at the beginning of July and then moved/started a new job at the end of the month, so I imagine the timeline looks confusing. In all my "explain your gap year(s)" essays I explained it so I hope that helps when reviewing it on paper.
 
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Ok, that makes a lot of sense, thank you! And yes, unfortunately I was working/living in one city at the beginning of July and then moved/started a new job at the end of the month, so I imagine the timeline looks confusing. In all my "explain your gap year(s)" essays I explained it so I hope that helps when reviewing it on paper.
I am reassured. I think you'll be fine, since you were proactive on the matter.
 
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Hello,

I have some concerns / need advice regarding a couple of my experiences:

The first being a crisis hotline, they have a very strict "will not contact / respond to anyone" policy, and they only write canned LoR's however they will only write 3 total in lifetime, of which I no longer have any remaining due to other programs I was in. This is my "most meaningful" experience and can't think of a way to verify other than the form that I'm able to print off and download from their site that shows my hours (they won't send the form to anyone, only I can access it).

The second is an online community center that I founded and ran, but is now since defunct. I have some of the former members and volunteers that I can list as contacts, however I'm more curious as to how much of an eyebrow this raises as I haven't really heard of anyone else starting their own foundation, and it's not like there was paperwork or tax forms involved--it was all self-funded, self-hosted, and self-advertised online.
 
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Hello,

I have some concerns / need advice regarding a couple of my experiences:

1) The first being a crisis hotline, they have a very strict "will not contact / respond to anyone" policy, and they only write canned LoR's however they will only write 3 total in lifetime, of which I no longer have any remaining due to other programs I was in. This is my "most meaningful" experience and can't think of a way to verify other than the form that I'm able to print off and download from their site that shows my hours (they won't send the form to anyone, only I can access it).

2) The second is an online community center that I founded and ran, but is now since defunct. I have some of the former members and volunteers that I can list as contacts, however I'm more curious as to how much of an eyebrow this raises as I haven't really heard of anyone else starting their own foundation, and it's not like there was paperwork or tax forms involved--it was all self-funded, self-hosted, and self-advertised online.
1) Well, at least you have a form with your hours verified. Unless you have a faculty member/advisor aware of the activity and willing to be your Contact for verification, you will have to use yourself. In the narrative mention your form with Hours of Involvement listed and available if requested, since the organization does not permit outside contacts.

2) It's impact will depend on what you have to say about it. It might be looked upon as on par with listing a SDN Mod-ship or online video-game squad commander as a Leadership activity (ie, not too seriously). What was your motivation for getting involved? For what organization did you form this online community center? Why is it now defunct? Did it evolve into an in-person organization? Might there be a more objective observer aware of your work and willing to attest to it as a Contact or write an LOR?
 

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2) It's impact will depend on what you have to say about it. It might be looked upon as on par with listing a SDN Mod-ship or online video-game squad commander as a Leadership activity (ie, not too seriously). What was your motivation for getting involved? For what organization did you form this online community center? Why is it now defunct? Did it evolve into an in-person organization? Might there be a more objective observer aware of your work and willing to attest to it as a Contact or write an LOR?

Thanks for your response!

I have really good answers for all of that! But wont post my whole story here... I never thought of asking one of them for a LoR, that's a super idea.

But it was my own organization. Basically a fun place for teens / young adults to come hang out, have a safe space to talk about their issues, learn life skills, etc. The main activity for members was gaming related, but I started mentoring / tutoring / advising programs etc and had volunteers who helped organize events etc. I did most of the scheduling and project management for larger stuff, as well as all of the backend work on websites and advertising. I was also involved heavily in the day-to-day interactions as well.

It was pretty cool stuff. We had a few thousand people as members at one point, though our total daily activity was more like in the 100-200. I have at least a dozen kids who we worked extensively with over years and really made super positive impacts in their life. For some of them, this place was the only place that they could be themselves in, or feel validated in, or have fun in. Bad homes, bad schools, etc. A lot of folk just don't "fit in" at places (their words), and online is the only place they can go.

Super rewarding to see someone able to get their first job, or get accepted to college, and you know that you were one of the primary reasons they got there.
 
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