**Official PASS 2024 Endodontic Residency Interviews/Information

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Case just called me today For Endo interview. Will be turning it down as I’ve accepted a position elsewhere already. Hopefully someone else gets a call goodluck!!
 
Case just called me too. Turned down the interview. I assumed all programs had already filled their spots but they seem very far behind.
 
Papasmurf1234 said:
Case just called me too. Turned down the interview. I assumed all programs had already filled their spots but they seem very far behind.
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Wait you turned it down bc you assumed all program had already filled their spots and they are far behind? 😅
 
Heard from someone who interviewed at Case a few years ago. They said they interviewed in October, then Case didn’t pick candidates for acceptance by Thanksgiving…then not by winter break….then February when they filled the class. Don’t know if it’s that slow every year.
 
Papasmurf1234 said:
Case just called me too. Turned down the interview. I assumed all programs had already filled their spots but they seem very far behind.
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That's just Case doing their own thing. All endo interviews used to be this time of year but the whole rolling admissions situation made every program creep their interview dates up earlier and earlier (to grab the best candidates).
 
Can anyone provide insight on why Case is always so late? Many other programs keep pushing interview dates up to not miss out on good candidates.
 
Torshammer said:
Can anyone provide insight on why Case is always so late? Many other programs keep pushing interview dates up to not miss out on good candidates.
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There’s no such a thing as bad candidates. Most people who apply to endo are qualified so I’m assuming they don’t need to have the best of the best. They want to train students and make them endodontists period
 
Rocklandm said:
There’s no such a thing as bad candidates. Most people who apply to endo are qualified so I’m assuming they don’t need to have the best of the best. They want to train students and make them endodontists period
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Yeah, I should correct my statement to "the best candidates on paper" because there are way more qualified applicants than slots.

That said, I know several programs this year moved their interview date up 2-3 weeks compared to last year. And I've spoken to my PD about it. The reality is that, accounting for regional differences, the programs collectively end up extending interviews to probably the same top 100 candidates. It gets annoying if you have a later interview date and the top candidates keep cancelling on you because they've accepted somewhere else (often with very short notice). It's also a logistical nightmare for your staff member that's arranging everything.

Maybe Case just doesn't want to deal with any of that.
 
Loma Linda University - Invite sent 6/28 email: Interview (July 21) Offers made
University of California at Los Angeles - Invite sent 7/10 unknown: (July 14 Zoom) Offers made
University of California at San Francisco - Invite sent 6/12 email: Interview (July 13th and 14th) Spots filled
University of Connecticut - Invite sent 6/14 unknown: Virtual interview (July 12th)- Offers made
Nova Southeastern University - Invite sent 7/10 email: Interview in person (July 27th) Offers made
University of Florida - invite sent 6/26 email : interview (July 13th and 14th)- Offers made
Georgia Regents University (Augusta University) - Invite sent 5/30 email: Interview (July 10th) - Spots Filled
University of Illinois at Chicago - Invite sent 6/23 email: Interview (July 12th, 13th)- Spots filled
Indiana University - invite sent 6/9 email: interview (July 14th) - Spots Filled
University of Iowa - Invite sent 7/3 phone call: interview (July 10th and 11th)- Offers made
University of Louisville - invite sent 6/11 email phone call: interview (July 14th)- Spots filled
Louisiana State University - Invite sent 6/9 email: Interview (July 14th)- Spots filled
University of Maryland - Invite sent 7/7 phone call: Interview (August 4th) Offers made
Boston University - Invite sent 6/9 email: Interview (July 14th), Invite sent 6/16 email: Interview (July 6th) Offers made
Harvard University - invite sent 6/26 email : interview (July 14th and 21st) Offers made
Tufts University - Invite sent 6/12, 6/13 email: Interview (July 14th, 17th, 18th, 20th) Offers made
University of Detroit Mercy - invite 7/19. Interview virtual 7/24 Offers made
University of Michigan - invite sent 7/17 : interview (July 31st) Offers made
University of Minnesota - invite 6/26 via phone (July 13 and 14) Offers made
Saint Louis University - invite 6/13 email: Interview (July 11th)- Spot Filled
University of Missouri-Kansas City - invite 6/20/23: interview (July 12) Offers made
University of Nebraska - invite (6/28) email; interview (7/21, 7/24) Offers Made
Rutgers School of Dental Medicine - invite (June 23); interview (July 7th)- Spots Filled
NYU Langone (Lutheran Medical Center) - invite via email 6/30, interview Jul 19, 20 Offers made
New York University - invite 6/28/23: interview (July 11th via Zoom) Spots filled
Stony Brook University - invite sent 6/12 by email: interview (July 6th) - Spots filled
University of North Carolina - invite 7/3/23 by email: interview July 27th, July 28th Spots filled
Ohio State University - invite sent 6/9 phone: interview (July 5th, July 6th) - Spots filled
Albert Einstein Medical Center - invite sent June 1st and June 13th by email: interview (July 13th) spots filled
Temple University - Invite sent July 11 email: Interview (July 26) spots filled
University of Pittsburgh -invite sent 6/26 email: interview (July 21st) Offers made
Medical University of South Carolina - Invite sent 6/15 by phone call: interview (July 10th) Offers made
Texas A&M University Baylor College of Dentistry - phone call 6/13/23: interview (July 11th) - Spots filled
University of Texas at Houston - invite sent 6/9 email: Interview (July 14th)- Offers made
University of Texas at San Antonio - invite 6/21 email: Interview (July 7th) - Offers made
Virginia Commonwealth University - invite sent 6/22 email; interview July 17th Spots Filled
University of Washington - invite sent 6/21 phone call: interview (July 10th, July 14th)- Offers made
Marquette University - Invites sent 7/18 unknown: August 4th offers made
University of Tennessee Health Science Center- invite sent unknown, interview unknown offers made
University of Alabama at Birmingham - Invite sent 6/30 email: Interview (July 7th, zoom or in-person) offers made
University of Kentucky - July 31 email. Interview August 16th offers made
University of the Pacific - Invite sent 7/18 email: interview 8/17 offers made
Columbia University - Invite sent 8/10 via email: interview Aug 15-17 and Aug 22-23 offers made
University of Pennsylvania - August 23rd invite sent via email. Date unknown Offers made
University at Buffalo, The State University of New York - Offers made
VA New York - Invite sent 6/12 email: interview (July 14th) offers made
West Virginia University - Invites sent 7/18: interview July 31st offers made
Southern Illinois University - July 17th email interview August 9th offers made
University of Southern California - Invites sent 7/20 email: August 9th zoom, Invite sent 8/4 email: August 16th in person spots filled
NYU Langone Puerto Rico - Invites sent 9/7 via email, date Sept 29th offers made
University of British Columbia- Spots filled
Oregon Health & Science University - Invites sent 10/6, virtual interview 10/9-10/13 and 10/16-10/20
Case Western Reserve University - invites sent 11/10, interview unknown
 
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Hi everyone, I have a question, do you know anyone got accepted without having ADAT??? I am wondering should I consider retaking the exam because it is gonna expire for next cycle or I have a chance with applying without having ADAT?
Any recommendations is appreciated 🙏
 
Fred13 said:
Hi everyone, I have a question, do you know anyone got accepted without having ADAT??? I am wondering should I consider retaking the exam because it is gonna expire for next cycle or I have a chance with applying without having ADAT?
Any recommendations is appreciated 🙏
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I think it's a person to person basis. I didn't take it and was accepted. I had a PD reply to me and say that it was very valuable to take and certain scores increased acceptance. The PD was from a school that doesn't accept the ADAT but they said they still looked at it as a positive. Taking it allows you to apply to more schools which increases your chances. A lot of pros and cons to taking it and not taking it. Good luck
 
Fred13 said:
Hi everyone, I have a question, do you know anyone got accepted without having ADAT??? I am wondering should I consider retaking the exam because it is gonna expire for next cycle or I have a chance with applying without having ADAT?
Any recommendations is appreciated 🙏
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depends where you want to apply to. If you are just going to apply to programs that don't require it, I wouldn't retake just because it has expired. I think you can still report it? If you are applying to schools that require it, then maybe consider taking it again. But also who requires it and who doesn't can change next cycle
 
Fred13 said:
Hi everyone, I have a question, do you know anyone got accepted without having ADAT??? I am wondering should I consider retaking the exam because it is gonna expire for next cycle or I have a chance with applying without having ADAT?
Any recommendations is appreciated 🙏
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Most useless crap . No one cares about the adat. It is not at all representative of your knowledge
 
Rocklandm said:
Most useless crap . No one cares about the adat. It is not at all representative of your knowledge
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haha, wait until you are taking the written part, a requirement for residency graduation, of the endo board and then the oral part of the endo board if you want to become board certified, like i do. all non-sense memorization. typical question of the written part: in 2010, John doe did an experiment on rats to learn about X, what did he find..so stupid.
NB: in endo research, John doe's study in 2010 might have contradicting results to that of John smith's in 2012. in addition, John Doe's study in 2010 might have contradicting result to another of his study in 1998. To be an astute endodontist by ABE standard, you need to know the author name, the result and the year, if you have energy...all can be googled easily these days
No offense, dentists try prove that they are just as smart as the physicians, by memorizing random craps like how many times does an average human being swallow per day
 
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MidwestOwl said:
haha, wait until you are taking the written part, a requirement for residency graduation, of the endo board and then the oral part of the endo board if you want to become board certified, like i do. all non-sense memorization. typical question of the written part: in 2010, John doe did an experiment on rats to learn about X, what did he find..so stupid.
NB: in endo research, John doe's study in 2010 might have contradicting results to that of John smith's in 2012. in addition, John Doe's study in 2010 might have contradicting result to another of his study in 1998. To be an astute endodontist by ABE standard, you need to know the author name, the result and the year, if you have energy...all can be googled easily these days
No offense, dentists try prove that they are just as smart as the physicians, by memorizing random craps like how many times does an average human being swallow per day
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I mean, that's not why... Yes we all hate studying the literature but did they not tell you why they're pushing for more endodontists to be board certified?

The residency requirement to take the written portion prior to graduation is newer and also part of the same push to get more board certification overall. This doesn't affect just academics, it affects your whole status as a specialist (and compensation rate accordingly).

Every specialty has to justify its own existence to the ADA every once in a while. You have to have a certain percentage of board-certified practitioners or the specialty is at risk of losing its status (endo almost did in the 90s). Medical specialties have board-certification rates of >80%. Endodontics is at like 25% (one of the lowest amongst dental specialties). What's to separate you as an endodontist from a GP that is proficient at endo and can google things? This is legitimately what the AAE has to defend every time specialty accreditation rolls around, they use the ABE standards and number of diplomates as one justification.
 
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redchesus said:
I mean, that's not why... Yes we all hate studying the literature but did they not tell you why they're pushing for more endodontists to be board certified?

The residency requirement to take the written portion prior to graduation is newer and also part of the same push to get more board certification overall. This doesn't affect just academics, it affects your whole status as a specialist (and compensation rate accordingly).

Every specialty has to justify its own existence to the ADA every once in a while. You have to have a certain percentage of board-certified practitioners or the specialty is at risk of losing its status (endo almost did in the 90s). Medical specialties have board-certification rates of >80%. Endodontics is at like 25% (one of the lowest amongst dental specialties). What's to separate you as an endodontist from a GP that is proficient at endo and can google things? This is legitimately what the AAE has to defend every time specialty accreditation rolls around, they use the ABE standards and number of diplomates as one justification.
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The reason why endo has the lowest percentage because those a%^holes make the process so painful to complete...too much sacrifice for little gain. Most full time private practice endodontists are making 500+k annual...who has time to take a few days off from work aka losing money, not to mention 3-4 months of studying after work to pass the exam.
Ortho and perio already dropped the porfolio part, why cant we...you can fail the porfolio part because you didnt use the terms/ keywords that they want, come on... and then have to wait a year....
I dont believe being able to quote random studies from random guys with random and contradicting results will make us better endodontist by any means. they even quiz candidates on how PMNs, mast cells, ameloblastoma stuffs look under microscopes...come on, even dental students dont remember those after their exams...
Im taking it because i want to boost my ego and to fulfill the promise that i made to my PD...other endodontists couldnt care less
 
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MidwestOwl said:
The reason why endo has the lowest percentage because those a%^holes make the process so painful to complete...too much sacrifice for little gain. Most full time private practice endodontists are making 500+k annual...who has time to take a few days off from work aka losing money, not to mention 3-4 months of studying after work to pass the exam.
Ortho and perio already dropped the porfolio part, why cant we...you can fail the porfolio part because you didnt use the terms/ keywords that they want, come on... and then have to wait a year....
I dont believe being able to quote random studies from random guys with random and contradicting results will make us better endodontist by any means. they even quiz candidates on how PMNs, mast cells, ameloblastoma stuffs look under microscopes...come on, even dental students dont remember those after their exams...
Im taking it because i want to boost my ego and to fulfill the promise that i made to my PD...other endodontists couldnt care less
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Oh I agree with all of that and wish some things would be changed. It's trending better though. It used to be 20 cases, now it's 5. And you can take the written portion as a resident when the material is still fresh. Just got to wait for some of the older folks to retire lol
If I don't finish it within a few years of graduating, I doubt I'll do it at all.
 
redchesus said:
Oh I agree with all of that and wish some things would be changed. It's trending better though. It used to be 20 cases, now it's 5. And you can take the written portion as a resident when the material is still fresh. Just got to wait for some of the older folks to retire lol
If I don't finish it within a few years of graduating, I doubt I'll do it at all.
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i dont think you would see much change anytime soon. most of the examiners/ ABE directors are foreign trained...with lots of degrees after their names but cant practice off campus freely....they usually have all time they need to think of those random things/ make up random clinical senarios to quiz you...
 
redchesus said:
I mean, that's not why... Yes we all hate studying the literature but did they not tell you why they're pushing for more endodontists to be board certified?

The residency requirement to take the written portion prior to graduation is newer and also part of the same push to get more board certification overall. This doesn't affect just academics, it affects your whole status as a specialist (and compensation rate accordingly).

Every specialty has to justify its own existence to the ADA every once in a while. You have to have a certain percentage of board-certified practitioners or the specialty is at risk of losing its status (endo almost did in the 90s). Medical specialties have board-certification rates of >80%. Endodontics is at like 25% (one of the lowest amongst dental specialties). What's to separate you as an endodontist from a GP that is proficient at endo and can google things? This is legitimately what the AAE has to defend every time specialty accreditation rolls around, they use the ABE standards and number of diplomates as one justification.
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This is what they tell you in residency. The actual process is a nightmare and not worth it at all. That’s their own fault. The questions don’t reflect what you know. It’s more of a game. When the prep is more focused on how to conduct yourself and how to approach the process and less on the actual knowledge you know it’s an issue. A lot of egos are involved. So don’t let them convince you it’s out fault our numbers are down. My Ortho buddy did his board certification online.
 
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Did oral boards this year and if you take them right after residency it is very doable. Memorize the main trivia, be confident in your clinical decision making, don’t panic. You don’t have to get everything right to pass. It sounds like lots of programs make their mock-orals harsher than the real thing.

I agree a lot of faculty and directors are out of touch with private practice and there are no tangible financial benefits.

Main reasons to do the boards are 1) your ego 2) your faculty’s ego 3) give you better options for teaching/expert witness type jobs when you don’t want to practice
 
FutureDent020 said:
When the prep is more focused on how to conduct yourself and how to approach the process and less on the actual knowledge you know it’s an issue
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Lol so true. I did okay on mock orals and I got a comment about my face looking like I wasn't "having fun" (I wasn't).
 
Fred13 said:
Hi everyone, I have a question, do you know anyone got accepted without having ADAT??? I am wondering should I consider retaking the exam because it is gonna expire for next cycle or I have a chance with applying without having ADAT?
Any recommendations is appreciated 🙏
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I didn’t take it and was accepted
 
Boat on the Chesapeake said:
Heard from someone who interviewed at Case a few years ago. They said they interviewed in October, then Case didn’t pick candidates for acceptance by Thanksgiving…then not by winter break….then February when they filled the class. Don’t know if it’s that slow every year.
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So they give out offers in february?
 
Boat on the Chesapeake said:
Did oral boards this year and if you take them right after residency it is very doable. Memorize the main trivia, be confident in your clinical decision making, don’t panic. You don’t have to get everything right to pass. It sounds like lots of programs make their mock-orals harsher than the real thing.

I agree a lot of faculty and directors are out of touch with private practice and there are no tangible financial benefits.

Main reasons to do the boards are 1) your ego 2) your faculty’s ego 3) give you better options for teaching/expert witness type jobs when you don’t want to practice
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they did ask me about doing an intentional replantation of a molar on a 10 yo, shake my head..
 
FutureDent020 said:
This is what they tell you in residency. The actual process is a nightmare and not worth it at all. That’s their own fault. The questions don’t reflect what you know. It’s more of a game. When the prep is more focused on how to conduct yourself and how to approach the process and less on the actual knowledge you know it’s an issue. A lot of egos are involved. So don’t let them convince you it’s out fault our numbers are down. My Ortho buddy did his board certification online.
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yeah, if they ask us, endodontists questions that are strictly endo-related, we will all be able to answer...instead they "expect" us also know pathology like a pathologist, pharmacology like a pharmacist...come on, after dental school, how many dentists actually remember what the histology of ameloblastoma, OKC look like under microscopes
 
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FutureDent020 said:
This is what they tell you in residency. The actual process is a nightmare and not worth it at all. That’s their own fault. The questions don’t reflect what you know. It’s more of a game. When the prep is more focused on how to conduct yourself and how to approach the process and less on the actual knowledge you know it’s an issue. A lot of egos are involved. So don’t let them convince you it’s out fault our numbers are down. My Ortho buddy did his board certification online.
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MidwestOwl said:
yeah, if they ask us, endodontists questions that are strictly endo-related, we will all be able to answer...instead they "expect" us also know pathology like a pathologist, pharmacology like a pharmacist...come on, after dental school, how many dentists actually remember what the histology of ameloblastoma, OKC look like under microscopes
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Studying for the oral boards strengthened my medicine and pathology a lot, and it also made me re-examine some of my endo clinical decision-making so I have more clarity in some aspects of my daily endo practice as well. I am very glad I went through that process because it has 100% made me a better doctor and endodontist, and I'd encourage any endo to do it.

I don't agree that the prep is more focused on how to conduct yourself and approach the exam than the actual knowledge, but I get where that sentiment is coming from. Some questions I answered definitely didn't showcase all I knew, and because examiners aren't able to probe, it's easy to mis-speak or leave a point unclarified. There's a 75% pass rate though, which I feel like is pretty generous.
 
Torshammer said:
Studying for the oral boards strengthened my medicine and pathology a lot, and it also made me re-examine some of my endo clinical decision-making so I have more clarity in some aspects of my daily endo practice as well. I am very glad I went through that process because it has 100% made me a better doctor and endodontist, and I'd encourage any endo to do it.

I don't agree that the prep is more focused on how to conduct yourself and approach the exam than the actual knowledge, but I get where that sentiment is coming from. Some questions I answered definitely didn't showcase all I knew, and because examiners aren't able to probe, it's easy to mis-speak or leave a point unclarified. There's a 75% pass rate though, which I feel like is pretty generous.
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I dont agree...but everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. The reason that we are specialists is because we want to be experts in our small field. What is the point of half-ass knowing pathology... What do we do if we see/ suspect a OKC/ KCOT in practice, biopsy it?...nope, look at it under microscopes?...nope..., refer it...yes... do we really have to remember what PMN, leukocytes look like under the microscopes in practice?...no
does it help to know the percentage of mid-mesial?... probably not when the number can range from 3-40%...does it matter if the study was done by Trope or a random guy in Africa, no...
They do expect us to know quite a bit for an elective exam though...it means that you have to study quite a bit to pass...most private practice endo are practical and money-consious, that is why many donot want to waste their time on it..
if you look at most/ all examiners' credentials, most are foreign trained with lots of degrees...sure they will have lots of free time to memorize those random facts...
 
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MidwestOwl said:
I dont agree...but everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion. The reason that we are specialists is because we want to be experts in our small field. What is the point of half-ass knowing pathology... What do we do if we see/ suspect a OKC/ KCOT in practice, biopsy it?...nope, look at it under microscopes?...nope..., refer it...yes... do we really have to remember what PMN, leukocytes look like under the microscopes in practice?...no
does it help to know the percentage of mid-mesial?... probably not when the number can range from 3-40%...does it matter if the study was done by Trope or a random guy in Africa, no...
They do expect us to know quite a bit for an elective exam though...it means that you have to study quite a bit to pass...most private practice endo are practical and money-consious, that is why many donot want to waste their time on it..
if you look at most/ all examiners' credentials, most are foreign trained with lots of degrees...sure they will have lots of free time to memorize those random facts...
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I think you may be overstating the amount of histology that is on the exam. I anticipated 1 or 2 questions and was asked none, IIRC. I agree there are some random questions that come out of nowhere, but for the most part, the questions are fair. Personally, it does help my clinical practice to know the % of mid-mesials that others have observed (not joking). 🙂

Unsure about most examiners being foreign-trained. All the examiners should have been trained at US endo programs, no? Unless you're talking about where they did their dental school training, but also unsure what that has to do with anything.
 
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I think you may be overstating the amount of histology that is on the exam. I anticipated 1 or 2 questions and was asked none, IIRC. I agree there are some random questions that come out of nowhere, but for the most part, the questions are fair. Personally, it does help my clinical practice to know the % of mid-mesials that others have observed (not joking). 🙂

Unsure about most examiners being foreign-trained. All the examiners should have been trained at US endo programs, no? Unless you're talking about where they did their dental school training, but also unsure what that has to do with anything.
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i might be bitter because i have to retake it. Im just talking about the randomness that they can throw at candidates...they also dont allow us to clarify the question if we have difficulty in understanding what they are trying to ask..
i was able to answer most of the clinically relevant questions with references but still did not pass??? sure, I didnt study as much as i should have and it is my fault. i only studied after work perhaps like 3-4 weeks before the exam. It has been a few years since i left residency so it will take quite a bit of studying to re-remember those things. ANyway, im taking it to boost my ego and to make my PD happy. ..i will take it again will pass for sure
foreign trained folks, many of them have endo training in the US but do not have DDS license...they cant practice off campus in most states; as a result, they have all of the free time to study/ to read papers...
I was trained at Harvard med for the first two years and honestly we were not used to memorizing facts like this. they used to tell us, memorization is the lowest form of learning. what im trying to say is unless you love reading papers or love to memorize random facts that you can google easily...the exam is a little ridiculous, especially for an elective one
 
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MidwestOwl said:
i might be bitter because i have to retake it. Im just talking about the randomness that they can throw at candidates...they also dont allow us to clarify the question if we have difficulty in understanding what they are trying to ask..
i was able to answer most of the clinically relevant questions with references but still did not pass??? sure, I didnt study as much as i should have and it is my fault. i only studied after work perhaps like 3-4 weeks before the exam. It has been a few years since i left residency so it will take quite a bit of studying to re-remember those things. ANyway, im taking it to boost my ego and to make my PD happy. ..i will take it again will pass for sure
foreign trained folks, many of them have endo training in the US but do not have DDS license...they cant practice off campus in most states; as a result, they have all of the free time to study/ to read papers...
I was trained at Harvard med for the first two years and honestly we were not used to memorizing facts like this. they used to tell us, memorization is the lowest form of learning. what im trying to say is unless you love reading papers or love to memorize random facts that you can google easily...the exam is a little ridiculous, especially for an elective one
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I think I read earlier you are doing it to fulfill a promise to your PD - I admire you staying true to your word. It definitely gets less easy taking the exam the further out you are from residency. No one likes taking an oral exam, but I am sure you will do well the 2nd time around now that you know what to expect.
 
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Torshammer said:
I think I read earlier you are doing it to fulfill a promise to your PD - I admire you staying true to your word. It definitely gets less easy taking the exam the further out you are from residency. No one likes taking an oral exam, but I am sure you will do well the 2nd time around now that you know what to expect.
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i promised him to come back to teach part time but it didnt happen, hard to sacrifice a few day worth of income...but i can tackle the board to make him happy..and boost my ego...
 
Hello Guys! Im planning to take ADAT in March!
Any solid study suggestions would be appreciated!
 
Thinking about applying next cycle, so I looked up some ADAT questions. Yeah I don't think I want to put myself through weeks of studying for this thing 😂
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BasicG said:
Thinking about applying next cycle, so I looked up some ADAT questions. Yeah I don't think I want to put myself through weeks of studying for this thing 😂
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I wouldn't take it unless you have a low GPA and need them to see you've improved academically.
I took it because I went to a P/F school with no rankings, thinking having a number attached to my application would help. It was mentioned in ONE interview and it wasn't even at one of my favorite programs, so all-in-all, was not worth it LOL
 
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