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This is insane, I cannot believe that i just took PR diagnostic # 2 (4921) and scored a 15 after 2 weeks of classes. B6, V5, P4. I did not take 4911 so I do not know how I would have done. If you have has TPR how did you do? If you are taking TPR now, please share your feelings.
P.S the more I study the more i feel like I am going to fail this MCAT, anybody feel the same?
 
Ok no need to get all hectic... 4921 is actually WAYYYYYYY harder than any of their diagnostics... most people I know go down from 4911 to 4921 and then go up again when they take 4931. I've heard from a lotta people at TPR and students as well that 4921 is harder than any real MCAT. So don't sweat it... k? 🙂
 
Do you guys know anything about the 3 digit diagnostic exams form TPR? I have 2 that are numbered 485 and 486 but everyone else's seem to have 4 digits. 4 digit exams must be this year's diagnostics. Do you know anything about the difficulty of the two exams I have compared to the MCAT?
 
hey cad,

i totally feel you, i just took the same diag and thought it was tough - its clear that they were testing material that was going to be covered in future lectures - like the kinetics, acid/base, etc. i did go up a few points, but not very much at all.

pm if you want a study partner or something!
 
If the tests are so unrealistic, why do people use their service? Especially in Berkeley? They don't have a reputation for the best teaching in Berkeley, so it has to be the exams that are the draw.

Hopefully the next ones are better.
 
I took TPR and then the April MCAT and I am very happy with my score. The TPR exams are somewhat calculation heavy for PS more so than the real deal, but other than that they are pretty good practice exams. The best part is the workbook if you do all the problems assigned it will be priceless. Regardless make sure you that you get your hands on the AAMC exams, my TPR site did *not* test us with the official AAMC exams...
 
Who said that the Berkeley people have a bad reputation for teaching? I'm not surprised though. I took my prep course this past semester because I thought I'd be taking the exam in April. Some of my teachers were AWFUL. My G Chem guy, Shyam, was pretty awesome... he pretty much broke all of it down and told us exactly what we need to know. Does everyone else like their instructors? Who else here is from Berktown?
 
Hey Cad,
Those PR tests are hard, and I ended up doing ALOT better on the AMCAS ones towards the end. Here's my breakdown:

Class Start: November 2002
4911: 7B, 6P, 6V (11/16)
4931: 8B, 8P, 8V (2/15)
4921: 9B, 7P, 7V (3/16)
AAMC 5R: 10B, 12P, 11V (4/5)
AAMC 6R: 11B, 10P, 12V (4/12)
AAMC 3R: 12B, 11P, 12V
AAMC 4R: 10B, 11P, 9V

I started PR in November, started really studying hard in February, then slowed down in March and was taking practive tests all of April. The last 2 scores I got were taken 2 weeks before the actual MCAT, but I can't remember the exact dates (the 4R was the only one taken the week of the actual test). The one thing I wish I could have done differently is to have done nothing the final week. I went into the actual test very tense and very worried. As you can see my last practice test was the lowest of all the ones taken in April. As the real test got nearer, I got more and more worried that I'd somehow bomb it, and it showed. With 4R, I made too many silly mistakes and ran short on time in the Verbal, which had not happened all month. But overall I'm pleased with my actual score (31P). If I ever have to take it again (please God no!), I would take it easy the week before, do some yoga, and choose a better test center. BTW, see if you can find out about your test centers if you haven't registered yet. I ignored the rumors about my test center (noisy, rude procters, construction, ect) and they all ended up being true. Although it didn't really bother me too much, I know my friends had difficulty with it.
Good luck to you, let me know if I can help you out.
 
thanks a lot guys, this is very reassuring and I hope my scores are going to improve. I am taking 4931 july 7, and I am very anxious. I have not say this, but the schedule of my class is organized so that we finish eveything in 8 weeks, my first class was june 9 and the last one is scheduled for july 25. I feell like there is not enough time in a day to do all the required work, but because of your comments I will keep working hard.

talking about teachers, my biology guy is terrible, I do not feel like going to his lecture anymore because it is more like a waste of time. he is already behind by so much that we will never make up.

do you think that it is really a good strategy to focus on finishing 7 passages realy strong and just bubbling "c" or whatever for the two other passages if you run out of time?
 
My teachers were not good either. They were really nice people, but they just didn't know how to communicate the material very well. About 75% of our class stopped showing up after the 1st few weeks, but I didn't miss any because I figured what little they could give would still better than nothing at all. For me it really was the work I put in outside of class. As the Berkeley Prep slogan goes, "If you study it, it will come."
About the strategy you mentioned, I've never tried that. Our teachers told us to rank passages as "easy," "medium," "hard," or "never." I tried it, but felt more comfortable going through them all from beginning to end and then returning to the ones I was iffy on. And if I couldn't make an educated guess, then I would just choose "C."
 
Do NOT just randomly bubble in, if TPR is spouting this off do not listen to them! I had to (due to getting hung up somewhere) bubble in C's for three passages in PS and that is my lowest score. I cannot remember were, but I posted a long post regarding this issue on one of the other threads. Please, you must read all passages and then you still may have to guess among let's say two choices, but that is still much much better than just putting C's or B's or whatever. I could have easily pulled an 11 on PS if I had not wasted time on some other passage and could have ended with a 33 instead of a 30...I am not complaining but learn from my mistakes.
 
I have a friend who game me his Diagnostic princeton review exams, 481-485, but there is no grade scale on them. I was wondering if anyone here knows how these things are scaled.
I am getting an average of 40-45 Verbal, 60-67 Physical sciences and 59-64 Biology.
Could anyone out there translate these grades into scores.
Thank you.
 
You should try calling up one of the Princeton Review offices and see if they can give you a grading scale or something. Otherwise just get the score sheets from the guy you got the tests from. Good luck!
 
I know exactly what you mean. I won't be taking the MCAT until April of 2004 but I've been trying to prepare and just feel like i'm not even doing a good job at that. My advisors and student test services on my univ. campus are trying to get all of us ready but it's hard when you're preparing yourself for 'the test' that could either make you or break you.

I just feel so overwhelmed. I study about 8 hours a day and still feel that I don't have adequate knowledge that I can retain even after all that study time.

I just wish that I knew someone here who has already taken (and maybe didn't do well or even, if they did do well are going to retake) the MCAT so I can get with them and see what mistakes they've made and take some pointers.

I enjoy this chat forum though. You guys are all so great with getting information out for everyone (takers and future takers) and sharing what experience you've had with the test.

Anyway, in short...and after that very long spill about my biggest fear at this point, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU MEAN!

Corey.
 
ok luckily I'm not payin for my TPR class, its part of a free summer prog where they are even payin us to learn 😛
ANyway I'm using my EK stuff to study, only using Science workbook for orgo and Bio.
So far

4911: 6B 4P 6V
4921: 6B 4P 5V

Last yr, I got an 8 on V, and I've been getting 8-9 on EK VR 101 passages so yeah TPR does make their tests harder, I think realistically i know my verbal is at 8-9 range.

cad dont feel bad, we got same exact score 😛 Just worry about AAMC 5R and 6R

BTW, I use all EK methods, even for Verbal, find them wayyyyyyy more effective that TPR. Truth is I'm just takin the class since its free, the prog is paying and then i can take the practice exams :laugh:
 
I found out that doing a FL on PR A-D book is not a good idea since those passage are very difficult.
 
So I'm trying to do as many tests as I can before the real thing and I did the Hyperlearning Practice Test A yesterday. What a disaster! I definitely did not do that spectacular... does anyone know anything about these 4 tests..? How indicative they are of ANYTHING? I know it's the old format but I wanted to just gauge where I'm at. Any info would be greatly appreciated! 🙄
 
Originally posted by Nakhrewali
So I'm trying to do as many tests as I can before the real thing and I did the Hyperlearning Practice Test A yesterday. What a disaster! I definitely did not do that spectacular... does anyone know anything about these 4 tests..? How indicative they are of ANYTHING? I know it's the old format but I wanted to just gauge where I'm at. Any info would be greatly appreciated! 🙄

i've heard nothing but bad things about these practice tests... even my instructors have said to toss 'em - they're just too damn hard
 
I took 4931 yesterday.......not much better than last time, I got and 18 with a 4 on the verbal....that verbal is just getting worse as time goes by. Also, have you noticed that the diagnostics test the material we have not covered in our classes yet?? at least that how it works for me so I do not know if I should worry much about my other scores......but that verbal is just killing me.

keep studying hard everybody and good luck...it will pay off sooner or later.. (I am telling this to myself too)
 
hey cad,
the diags will cover material not done in class. but you should have seen similar material in school, so that's how they justify it. you'll feel much better when you take an AAMC test. the TPR tests really are difficult and no one in my class was getting anything above 24. keep your chin up and keep working hard! it will get better.
 
If anyone cares about the validity of the Hyperlearning Tests that PR gives out, I just got this message this morning:

Hi,

I apologize for taking so long to return your email; I have had jury duty
these past two days.

If you are speaking about the tests in the supplementary material, MCAT practice tests A-D, they are not meant to be an indicator of how well you are going to do on the actual test. These tests are in the old format before it was revised for the April 2003 MCAT. Also, the tests are written to be the most challenging. The thinking behind this is for students to have an opportunity to see the "worst case scenario" questions for the MCAT. This supplemetary material is purely meant to provide an opportunity for students to practice the most challenging questions. The score that you will get on those tests, if you take them in full, will be completely different then what you will get on the actual test.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Best,

Shayne

Shayne Weston
Assistant Director of Graduate Programs
The Princeton Review of Northern California
2176 Shattuck Ave.
Berkeley, CA 94704
510-845-5935 ext 112
 
so just took 4931 today, how did everyone do? i thought this one felt a lot different than the first 2 diagnostics...not sure if i thought it was easier though...well, i'll find out how i did on monday i guess! good luck to everyone.
 
Originally posted by anhoi
so just took 4931 today, how did everyone do? i thought this one felt a lot different than the first 2 diagnostics...not sure if i thought it was easier though...well, i'll find out how i did on monday i guess! good luck to everyone.

i thought it was ok, verbal was easier it seemd. Cant wait to take the AAMC ones, they are way better!
 
I am taking those exams on my own but I don't have a scale to base my scores on, since I am not enrolled in princeton.
Could you by any chance tell me how many questions you got wrong on each section of those past two exams and what your score was evaluated as.
Thanks
 
Yeaaaaaaaaaaah I got approx a 9-10 on the verbal 43/60
Up from 6 on the 4911, and 4921.
Funny though cause I've been getting all 9-10s on examkrackers vr 101 tests

My score improved, still in the low 20s, but the good thing is that AAMC tests are way better than TPR test!!!!:clap: :clap:
 
Originally posted by SonGoku
hey cad,
the diags will cover material not done in class. but you should have seen similar material in school, so that's how they justify it. you'll feel much better when you take an AAMC test. the TPR tests really are difficult and no one in my class was getting anything above 24. keep your chin up and keep working hard! it will get better.
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I feel so much better🙂
 
04.29.03 8, 2, 8
07.13.03 4921 8, 5, 8

I took Physics in 1996 so that was part of my motivation to enroll in TPR. When the course started I slacked a little bit and just last week did I really start attempting to do the Physics homework. So I guess I should be happy that my score increased some. Although, I don't know if it will make it up to my goal of 10 by Aug. 16. What do you guys think, is it possible?

My plan from now until test day is to do at least 2 hours of Physics per day plus an additional 2 hours of either Orgo, verbal, or gchem. Wish me luck!
 
My friend took PR, and scored no more than a 25 on any test, and then the minute he started taking the aamc's he started scoring 31's and 33's/////By the way he got a 33 on the real deal, 11, 11, 11. So, you guys need to stop worrying, bc: from the sound of it those PR exams are brutal.......
 
Originally posted by lotanna
Yeaaaaaaaaaaah I got approx a 9-10 on the verbal 43/60
Up from 6 on the 4911, and 4921.
Funny though cause I've been getting all 9-10s on examkrackers vr 101 tests

My score improved, still in the low 20s, but the good thing is that AAMC tests are way better than TPR test!!!!:clap: :clap:

Update: Got an 11 on AAMC 5R Verbal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap: :clap: Practice does work, I've been crackin my brain cells with EK VR 101.
My total score was a 25 (8B,6P), which is a big improvement, I messed up, could have got a 9B, now we've 6R next week, I'm prayin for a 28ish 😛

Diagnostic scores

4911: 6V 6B 4P
4921:5V 5B 4P
4931: 9V 5B 4P
AAMC 3R: 9V
AAMC 5R: 11V 8B 6P
 
Originally posted by Nakhrewali
Who said that the Berkeley people have a bad reputation for teaching? I'm not surprised though. I took my prep course this past semester because I thought I'd be taking the exam in April. Some of my teachers were AWFUL.

I have heard that BR teachers are much better than PR teachers. I learned this the hard way after recommending someone take PR in Berkeley a few years ago. They pretty much had the same things to say about their teachers as you, Cad-15, and SonGoku said. I ended up tutoring them for free out of guilt.

It just doesn't make sense to me why everyone wouldn't take BR (in Berkeley or LA) or EK (in NYC) if they could. Both specialize in MCAT and have their founders/authors teaching classes.

Originally posted by cad_15
talking about teachers, my biology guy is terrible, I do not feel like going to his lecture anymore because it is more like a waste of time. he is already behind by so much that we will never make up.

Originally posted by SonGoku
My teachers were not good either. They were really nice people, but they just didn't know how to communicate the material very well. About 75% of our class stopped showing up after the 1st few weeks, but I didn't miss any because I figured what little they could give would still better than nothing at all.

So why do people take PR then? They must have something good to stay in business. I used to teach for Hyperlearning, just as PR bought them. Teaching was really important back then. What happened?
 
Diagnostics 480 - 485
Are they similar to those in Practice tests A - D
And I have no idea where to get them from, but if you could help me with this I will really appreciate it.
I want to know what I have been scoring.
 
here is the story,
I took 5r last thurday, we were suppose to have it on monday but Chicago did not send the test, I tough I had B9, P8 and V5....that is really pathetic and I am not sure about taking that exam anymore, but I got my score and had B7 P6 V5. on my report they said I had 7 blanks In bio, but I am sure I filled all that stupid scantron....anyway I was and I am desperate....how do people do to move from low scores on the diags to very high scores on aamc material??? I though the verbal was hell on 5R, and I only had the time to finish 5-6 passages, I totally guessed on 3 and....^^&%(*&^&
Today I took 6R, although my scores were terrible (V8, P8) I went mad when I saw the bio part. I was not familliar with anything and when I got a 5 on it I was not surprised. what is going on with me guys???what should I do? I am really questioning my decision to go to medschool now....I do not feel like I will ever have a good enough score to get anywere, especialy that I am a foreign student.........I do not know what the effect of this post will be, but I am waiting to read what you have to say......

good luck to all of you
 
correction.....i just checked again and I have 8 in each section.....still terrible but make me feel better
 
I have been studying all summer for this August's MCAT. I'm really worried, just look at my TPR scores:

TPR Test 4911 (6/3) -- B 8, P 6, V 6
TPR Test 4921 (7/2) -- B 8, P 7, V 6
TPR Test 4931 (7/21) -- B 8, P 10, V 7

The TPR course will administer AAMC 5R and 6R during the next few Saturdays before the MCAT. I also have 3R and 4R, which I will take on my own between now and the exam. I feel that a decent MCAT score is unrealistic given my scores on the TPR exams. I really have been working my butt off. Nothing's helping. Getting worried (and frustrated) ... Ugh... Suggestions? Comments?

(And if you're looking at my scores and you're probably wondering a few things ... And the answer is yes, I have been studying more than just Physical sciences, in fact i think I've spent more time on BioSci and Verbal than PhysSci...)

-Jason
 
Wow Jason,

My TPR diagnostics are very similar to yours and I've been getting pretty nervous about taking this test for real.

So far:

TPR 4911 - B 8, P 6, V 9
TPR 4921 - B 8, P 7, V 10
TPR 4931 - B 8, P 7, V 10

As you can see, my score didn't move up at all between 4921 and 4931, which was really disappointing...I had been hoping that I would get closer to the "magic" 30.

Basically, I will sit for the test, but if I don't feel okay at the end of the test, I am going to void my score.

Anh

Originally posted by Jason110
I have been studying all summer for this August's MCAT. I'm really worried, just look at my TPR scores:

TPR Test 4911 (6/3) -- B 8, P 6, V 6
TPR Test 4921 (7/2) -- B 8, P 7, V 6
TPR Test 4931 (7/21) -- B 8, P 10, V 7

The TPR course will administer AAMC 5R and 6R during the next few Saturdays before the MCAT. I also have 3R and 4R, which I will take on my own between now and the exam. I feel that a decent MCAT score is unrealistic given my scores on the TPR exams. I really have been working my butt off. Nothing's helping. Getting worried (and frustrated) ... Ugh... Suggestions? Comments?

(And if you're looking at my scores and you're probably wondering a few things ... And the answer is yes, I have been studying more than just Physical sciences, in fact i think I've spent more time on BioSci and Verbal than PhysSci...)

-Jason
 
Originally posted by lotanna
Update: Got an 11 on AAMC 5R Verbal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:clap: :clap: Practice does work, I've been crackin my brain cells with EK VR 101.
My total score was a 25 (8B,6P), which is a big improvement, I messed up, could have got a 9B, now we've 6R next week, I'm prayin for a 28ish 😛

Diagnostic scores

4911: 6V 6B 4P
4921:5V 5B 4P
4931: 9V 5B 4P
AAMC 3R: 9V
AAMC 5R: 11V 8B 6P

update:
Got same on AAMC 6R : 11V 8B 6P

so ok I feel ok with verbal, and i think i can get a 9ish on BS, but PS, thats like my weak point, though dean of admissions said that a low score, 7ish, in that area is acceptable.
 
04.29.03 V8, P2, B8
07.13.03 4921 V8, P5, B8

Here's my update
07.13.03 4931 V9, P6, B10

My numbers are slowly inching up but I'm happy because since the last diag on the 13th I haven't done much work outside of class (I was suffering from a severe case of MCAT apathy). Ok I'll fess up I was in slacker mode. So I really thought my scores would dip. I think just sitting in class and taking notes helps me to remember a lot. On the actual exam I use POE to eliminate the two sucker answers (obviously wrong) and take my 50/50 guess between the other two.

On a more studious note I plan to get back to business tonight. Physical sciences here I come!

Happy studying everyone!
 
How'd the TPR folks do on the recent AAMC exam administrations by TPR? 5R and/or 6R? Seeing improvement. I'm waiting for my score from the center.

-Jason
 
Well, i haven't had my test officially scored by tpr yet since i took it by myself (had to work the day it was proctored) but from the back, it says the following:

AAMC 5R

11V, 11PS, 9 BS = 31

Although, from what I understand, Princeton's scoring may be sightly different as they use actual percentile's from prior administrations of the test to score, whereas the AAMC scores are approximations.

I couldn't believe how much progress I've made in the past week with PS, I started with a 5 and on 4931 I got a 7...so I'm pretty happy with my improvement in that area. but man, the BS I've only gone up 1 point since my diagnostic and I found 5R's BS to be really hard! Did anyone else think this as well? And that picasso passage in the verbal really messed me up, I missed 5 questions on that passage alone but only missed 5 questions on the rest of the verbal passages!

Any advice on how to do better on the BS section? I'm starting to get pretty desperate!
 
Verbal, Physical, Biology
4911 6, 8, 7
4921 7, 7, 12
4931 6, 9, 12
3R(on own) 10, 13, 13
5R 8, 12, 12
6R 8, 13, 12


I'll try to improve to a 35
 
04.29.03 V8, P2, B8
07.13.03 4921 V8, P5, B8
07.13.03 4931 V9, P6, B10

Latest update:
08.02.03 5R V10, P7, B9

Had the worst stomach ache after lunch. Spent at least 10 minutes in the bathroom during the biological section, came back to the test room, finished where I left off. Toward the end I didn't care I just wanted to go home and take some Pepto bismol. Wound up bubbling C's for the orgo Grignard reagent passage because I just didn't care anymore. Still finished before time was called. Which was cool. So I feel like I would of scored a 10-11 if my head was in the game.

Take home message for all: BE CAREFUL OF WHAT YOU EAT FOR LUNCH ON TEST DAY. I think I'll stick with PB & J on test day and skip the Thai spicy basil chicken...what was I thinking : )
 
you guys are very lucky and I wish I was in your situation. My TPR class was part of a summer program and I finished it july 25. Since then I have not been able to study well or something.....I feel like crap. I took TPR A, I started B and I gave up because it is insane. I did not do as well as all of you, I had 8 X 3 on 6R, but I just made a lot of stupid mistakes....anywas now I am very discouraged because it seems like I do not know anything. (for 5 R I think the verbal was pretty hard, and that picasso whatever was a tough cookie..) good luck to you
 
Originally posted by Jason110
How'd the TPR folks do on the recent AAMC exam administrations by TPR? 5R and/or 6R? Seeing improvement. I'm waiting for my score from the center.

-Jason

Seems like if all goes well i'll be doing ok, not 30+, but maybe if i can get BS up there, close enough 🙂 Wow, my MCAt ordeal has been a long struggle. This isnt 1st or 2nd time either, but its goin be the last one 😛
 
My Previous Scores:

TPR Test 4911 (6/3) -- B 8, P 6, V 6
TPR Test 4921 (7/2) -- B 8, P 7, V 6
TPR Test 4931 (7/21) -- B 8, P 10, V 7

New Score:
AAMC 5R (8/2) -- B 10, P 11, V 8

What is up with that 8? Well, I couldn't finish one of the passages. Yeah, it seems kind of funny this late in the game. And, add to that, that evil Picasso passage. I'm worried. I'm doomed! (I'm shooting for a 30 or higher, is that reasonable?)

Anyone have a remedy to my verbal woes. I didn't have an issue finishing the section on the last verbal practice test, just on this one. As a result, I bought another MCAT book -- shh... this one's made by Kaplan -- just so I can get more practice passages. I've exhausted the Verbal Workbook and the Verbal sections in the Practice Tests A-D book. I think I'll do more verbal until my head hurts. I have this timing issue!

Anyone have solutions to this?

-Jason

Hey cad, just hang in there pal. It will get better.
 
Originally posted by Jason110
My Previous Scores:

TPR Test 4911 (6/3) -- B 8, P 6, V 6
TPR Test 4921 (7/2) -- B 8, P 7, V 6
TPR Test 4931 (7/21) -- B 8, P 10, V 7

New Score:
AAMC 5R (8/2) -- B 10, P 11, V 8

What is up with that 8? Well, I couldn't finish one of the passages. Yeah, it seems kind of funny this late in the game. And, add to that, that evil Picasso passage. I'm worried. I'm doomed! (I'm shooting for a 30 or higher, is that reasonable?)

Anyone have a remedy to my verbal woes. I didn't have an issue finishing the section on the last verbal practice test, just on this one. As a result, I bought another MCAT book -- shh... this one's made by Kaplan -- just so I can get more practice passages. I've exhausted the Verbal Workbook and the Verbal sections in the Practice Tests A-D book. I think I'll do more verbal until my head hurts. I have this timing issue!

Anyone have solutions to this?

-Jason

Hey cad, just hang in there pal. It will get better.

I took TPR with my summer prog but i used EK books to study, their verbal is awesome. I improved from an 8 on last MCAt to 11s that I'm gettin on my AAMC tests. I also use their strategy as I think TPR verbal strategy sucks.
Plus the EK VR 101 book was very good practice!! After doing it, TPR verbal class passages felt like cake 😛
 
Is it just me, or are the rest of you feeling 'crunch time'? I feel so unprepared for this exam (all I want is something in the 30s)... Here's an update of my recent progress:

TPR Test 4911 (6/3) -- B 8, P 6, V 6
TPR Test 4921 (7/2) -- B 8, P 7, V 6
TPR Test 4931 (7/21) -- B 8, P 10, V 7
AAMC 5R (8/2) -- B 10, P 11, V 8
AAMC 3R (8/7) [on my own] -- B 10, P 12, V 9

I feel as though I shouldn't take this test and wait until April (I'm applying for fall 2005 medschool entrance)! Ugh...

-Jason
 
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