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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by Esce, Mar 8, 2007.

  1. Esce

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    Hello, im not sure if this is the right place to post this thread but i was wondering if it was possible to see a surgery or procedure being preformed as a student or audience? and what is the technical name for it?
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    I think you mean "scrubbing in" as a volunteer or student at a hospital ... you get to go into the OR and watch. This is usually a rare opportunity for a volunteer, and you really need to create a good impression or maybe be in a special program (and be at a hospital that allows this).
     
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    "scrubbing in" involves becoming sterile and standing within the sterile field. You dont have to do this to watch a surgery as you can stand in and watch from afar. try shadowing a physician who does surgery and they will most likely allow you to stand in. OB/GYNs or orthopedics would be good doctors to shadow and see surgeries at the same time.
     
  4. It is possible, but OncoCap may be right that it's not particularly easy to find these opportunities to shadow in the OR. I'd recommend volunteering in a hospital for awhile and getting to know some people before you broach the subject. Do your best to get to know people and find stuff to stay busy and helpful when you're volunteering (good to do anyway, but people will be more likely to scratch you back if you've already scratched theirs).

    That said, I think it's definitely worth the effort to try and find these opportunities, especially if you are interested in surgery. Through some volunteering and some good luck, I got to witness a bunch of surgeries (not scrubbed in, but within a few feet of the patient, so I had a very good view). It was absolutely amazing and got me even more psyched to start med school. It was an incredible experience, I learned and saw a lot, and it also gave me the confidence that I wouldn't freak out seeing a patient opened up. (Hey, ya never know till you try... :oops: )
     
  5. melissainsd

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    It is funny this is being asked because my husband is getting surgery on his ankle in a few weeks and I have been bugging him to let me watch. He saw me give birth, it is only fair I get to see his insides too.:p
     
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    lol thanks for the information.
    my cousin thinks she wants to go medical but i KNOW that she cant do it, she does not have the stomach to see people open like that although she believes she does. She claims that she can handle the hit show 'House' so she can handle real life operations however i told her that they are NOTHING alike, they never show the entire operation on that show and they especially don't show it when the patient gets cut open, which can be the most 'gory' part. I am interested in seeing one myself up close (not through a window) and i want to show her too, but i don't think that will be possible due to my horribly cluttered schedule of work and school. This leads me to my next question:
    Where can i find good videos of different types of procedures and operations?
    thanks
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  7. PepperMD

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    Discovery Health Channel sometimes shows some pretty gory real-life operations. The names of specific shows escapes me, but I think that's probably your best bet.
     
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    Oh nice i have that channel, i think ill check it out, thanks!
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  9. sunnyjohn

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    Check out this site:

    http://www.or-live.com/

    They show real operations. If you log in on time you can participate in a Q&A with the operating surgeon.
     
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    oh my god this site rocks
    thanks alot!
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    great website.
     
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    Yes, it is definitely possible especially if you are interested in the field. It is also easier if your school is affiliated with a hospital or medical school. Really all you have to do is look up a surgeon in the field you are interested in or if you have a general interest then email a general surgeon. Give them some information on your background and that you are interested in shadowing them. Some will want you to start in shadowing them in clinic first and others will let you go right to the OR with them.....just depends on the person. I've seen cardiothoraic surgies, c-sections, and trauma surgeries.
     
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    Since nobody else bothered....

    Quit being an asswipe and give your cousin some support in her goals. You don't KNOW jack **** about whether she can handle it or not. Also, if she's the one who's actually interested in med school, and you're not, stay the hell out of the OR, you have no business being there if you're not at least contemplating med school. If you are both pre-med, how about you support each other instead of trying to rip her down. If YOU don't even know what the 'most gory' parts of surgical procedures are, what makes you the authority that gets to tell her she can't hack it? Maybe YOU would pass right on out the first time you saw one. FWIW, most people have trouble the first time or two, it's a pretty unnatural thing to be seeing. They get over it. I've never heard of anyone who just couldn't get used to it. And a video is nothing like the real thing, it proves nothing. You're not really getting the full 'grossout' factor unless you're hearing the squishes and grinding, smelling the cautery (or feces), etc. But I digress. The girl is your FAMILY, show some support. If you can't bring yourself to do that then I would like to officially be the first one to say that I hope YOU never succeed at what YOU want to do, prick.

    Of course, if you can get over yourself and be encouraging to your cuz, then I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. And etc.
     
  14. melissainsd

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    :thumbup: You saved me time by reading my mind.
     
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    Huh, I didn't know there was a language filter. I wonder what other words get the star treatment.... I'm tempted to try it to find out. Then again, I've made it this long without getting banned, why tempt fate? :)

    By the way, while I was reading your mind.... good grief, where did you grow up? Talk about the gutter, wow! Does that Jim guy know you have those kind of thoughts about him?
    If med school doesn't work out, consider directing porn films. Seriously. Wow.
     
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    rofl calm the hell down [email protected]$$, shes only 16
    lol, besides im not telling her not to go for it, i just want her to know whether she can handle it or not
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    and you sir have read MY mind
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    hmm thats A great idea, i think ill get working on that
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  19. NickRiviera

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    OP, another option that doesn't involve scrubbing in is getting setup with the anesthesiologist. Behind a plastic sheet is close enough for most people.

    P.S. You're a d*ck. :eek:
     
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    Awsome website. I will definatly be watching the surgery this evening
     
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    wtf? where did that come from?
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    If she's in high school, she/you might want to look into a program like Medical Explorers, which is affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America. My local hospital has a chapter, and we had monthly meetings with physicians from different specialties to learn more about areas of the field. One meeting a year was a shadowing experience in which members could choose a specialty (like surgery) to observe. After I observed a surgeon once and was mature and polite (which some kids are not), I was invited to come back whenever I could. I made contacts and spent a Spring Break at the hospital to observe and even scrub in. It really wasn't that hard to make contacts.
     
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    hmm thanks alot, i will look into that for her, as for me, im already almost done with premed though
    thanks
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    For those oversensitive jerks who think that i think im the greatest premed student in the world and that i have an iron stomach, here is some clarification.
    My post CLEARLY states that i am trying to help my cousin by showing her the path she wants to take BEFORE she takes it. She said "yeah ill be a neurosurgeon, they make alot of money right?" and such things to show that she wants to join for the money. she is scared of the goriness of the OR and she told me so too, you guys need to CALM THE HELL DOWN and stop judging people so fast. If she sees the goriness of the OR, she will no longer be afraid of it (after some time) and she will want to peruse the medical field for different reasons. so take a chill pill, im not here to mock anyone or make enemies, i am only here to get some advice as so many of you have given me.
    ~thanks
     
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    Eh, I'm not trying to be a jerk, and if you're being supportive then sorry for jumping on your case. But if you look back at the initial post you made, you'll see that that is TOTALLY NOT what you just said. So I hope you can understand the misunderstanding, you came across as one of those pricks many of us have in our families who like to tell us we can't hack it in <insert rigorous academic program/profession of your choice>. Of course, they tell us that after they get through with a hard day of "would you like an apple pie with that," so it's not like it has any authority behind it whatsoever, but having your family actively push you down is definately not very encouraging. For the record, as an undergrad it's really not too tough to get shadowing experience in the OR, but in HS it might be tougher.

    Ace -- I hear you about the high school kids, I've seen some who just plain didn't have a clue how to behave rotating through clinics. It's kind of funny really, you just pick out that one who's got it together and is being polite, then let that person see all the cool stuff :)
     
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    lol i kind of thought that it was a misunderstanding, trust me i had to go through hell to get to where i am now, i am born in a pakistani family who dont even consider pressure being a bad thing, i did post it in a way where you may think that and i saw it too thats why i posted the clarification, thanks for understanding and sorry bout callin you a [email protected]$$. I know that it requires alot of encouragement and motivation in order to pursue the med field, that is another reason why i read these posts.
    I do think that as an undergrad it i have better access to OR because i can just tell them i am a pre-med student, but she has more time to join medical explorers in where i only have like 8 months before my final choice.
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    Trust me I've been called worse :) Besides, I'm sure that of all my body parts, my ass is the dumbest, so you may not even have been inaccurate :)
     
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    lmao, anyways, i think your right about the goriness of the operation because i watched the live feed. although it was good, it dident have that feeling of being there, i will continue my pursuit of watching a live operation.
     
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    Find a pod, they seem to usually be willing, plus those operations are cooler, what with all the power tools and such. Sure an open abdomen may be gorier, but if you're not scrubbed you won't be able to see squat. Plus if you've got a TKA or something going on, you get to see all the routing and grinding... bone smells reeeeal good when it's being ground up lol
     
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