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Jinyaoysiu

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I remember how I felt when I was applying to med schools. I wished more students would post their personal accounts of their schools, so that's why I'm taking some time to write this now that I'm med student myself.

First of all I want to say that I'm very happy with my decision of attending COMP. I'm having some of the best times in my life, exactly because of being very very busy and learning very very interesting things from knowledgeable and personable professors, with a group of well-rounded, friendly, and intelligent classmates. Our class this year is supposedly the "best" class in terms of GPA and MCAT averages that COMP has ever had, and coming from a fairly rigorous undergraduate experience myself, I definitely agree that my classmates are some of the most motivated, compassionate, and smart group of people that I've been fortunate to meet. Our class dynamics are great, and the 2nd year students have been treating us very well in terms of giving us the in's and outs, tutor sessions, and throwing parties. I don't know everyone personally, but based on my observation, I would say that 95% of the students appear to be happy here. The remaining 5% do not appear to be unhappy(yet), but it's just that I don't sense any particular enthusiasm or "happiness" on them that I sense in the other 95%. Maybe there will really be more people "unhappy" or "bitter" by the end of this year when we get our grades back and some of us might have to repeat.

I know the certain criteria that people use to decide on which schools to attend, i.e. location, professors, scores....etc and I'll just elaborate on those based on what i know.

LOCATION: LA is one of the major locations on the world map. That alone says a lot. There are endless social, educational, culinary...etc opportunities. For example, "Body Worlds" by Gunther Van Hagen is in LA right now http://www.bodyworlds.com/en/pages/home.asp I'd say most of my classmates have been to that exhibition and it is absolutely amazing. Med students who do not have the chance to see it definitely missed out big time. A world class exhibition like that just won't find itself in anywhere less than a metropolis like LA. In addition, there are numerous academic/professional conferences, talks, activities that a med student in LA could take advantage of along with students at USC/UCLA/UCI/Loma Linda. As a med student myself, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else with any less of a environment for academia.

PROFESSORS: Overall, the professors are very intelligent and friendly. Some are particularly good at teaching in my opinion, such as Biochem, OMM, Histology and Anatomy. I've heard a few classamtes that talked unfavorably of a few certain professors. The complaint is that a couple of professors lecture directly out of the notes that they hand out, therefore they are not very "good." Another professor has been criticized as not being "good" exactly because he does not follow his notes in lecture and likes to tell cases and stories in real life. Go figure. However I believe I could succeed in my classes based on my own effort. I don't expect professors to spoon-feed me, but I could work with it if that happens to be his/her teaching style.

COMPLEX SCORES/PASSRATE: I don't exactly know what the pass rate is but I'm under the impression that it's not high, definitely not 100% that some other schools have. It's strange, because COMP has consistently placed its graduates into very competitive residencies and based on a post I made earlier, there are statistics that show COMP turn out the 2nd highest number of specialists of all DO school(assuming one would need higher scores to specialize) So my guess is that there are people that don't pass, but many that do pass will pass by a very high margin. I've heard from a few 2nd year students that starting this year COMP is modifying its curriculum to directly prepare the students for the COMPLEX because apparently that's what many other schools do. I'm not sure if that's exactly a good thing. Imagine your 4yr of pre-med undergraduate curriculum is basically a MCAT prep course. Sure people would have great scores, but what about a well-rounded education that prepares students to be great doctors? I hope they do find the right balance in that, and if scores is what COMP needs to be a better school, then so be it.

CLASSMATES: I can't say what your future classmates will be like, but mine has been great. It makes sense that people who appreciate being in a diverse, worldly, multi-cultural, entertaining metropolitan area like LA and choose to be in such of a city, end up being with other like-minded people. I have nothing against Erie or Des Moine or Pheonix, and not everyone chooses school based on location, but the ones that do choose Erie over LA based on location would have very different values and ideologies in terms of what's important in life from people that choose LA. In addition, believe me, you want to have our class as your 2nd year companions. We have an awesome class that treat each other very well, and we'll treat you right. We email each other notes/old exams/practice/charts before our exams and so far we've been doing great on exam averages. One professor even told us that he's never seen such high averages. We are a motivated class, but most importantly we help each other out. We tutor each other, share notes, and encourage each other.

CURRICULUM: Like I said, I think we are moving towards a curriculum that will directly prepare us for the Boards. Otherwise it should be about the same as everywhere else. What is different though, is our grading system. Before I came here, I heard about our grading system as a disadvantage because it was all based on percentage points. 89% is 89%, not a B. That shows the difference from someone getting a 80% and someone with a 89%. I heard how that would encourage competiveness, which is bascially bull. I don't see anything but collaboration and our class kicking butt collectively. Besides, think about it this way. If you want a really competitive residency, you can strive for the 98% to prove yourself. If you just want something not competitive, just pass with a 70% and grades won't matter for thsoe residencies anyways. If you went to a school with only pass/fail, you couldn't prove yourself at all even if you wanted to for the tough programs. All you will have is your scores, and that's a lot of eggs in one basket. I think this is also why COMP has been able to place its graduates into many competitive residencies. In addition, COMP 1st and 2nd year students get early hands-on clinical experience by operating a free clinic in Pomona. I heard this is a reason why a few of my classmates decided to come here.

CLINICAL ROTATIONS: I heard this is the strongest asset that COMP has, that its students would be able to rotoate at hospitals that even UCLA/USC students cannot. I have yet to experience it but definitely look forward to it.

That's all I could think of now, pretty much what I wanted to know when I was in your shoes. I guess I could add more into this thread if I think of something else or if questions are raised. Again, this is only my personal experience. I'm sure there are students who will be unhappy and even hate COMP. However, I believe our fates lie in our own hands. I'm happy with my decision to come here, even if I'm not, I'm sure I'll be a very content physician.

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Just FYI, it's COMLEX, not COMPLEX. Just wanted to let you know.
 
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Jinyaoysiu- thanks for the thread. I found it really informative cuz I've read a couple threads on western and while some have been positive a lot have been bad rumors about the administration thing, the suspicious financial thing. and so on.

i just visited Western's campus for the second time for my interview and i remember being asked what would be my reasons coming to Western if I got into MD/DO. I told them students, location, facilities, reputation, faculty. and then I told them students first cuz to me I chose my college on the strength of the diversity which I think Western has and more.

I noticed how many times you mention the student body when you discuss western. I think the committee has met to decide (yesterday) to decide on my interview group. I would be honored to attend Western. left with a positive impression. everything you said about the positive environment, support, friendly area... I saw a lot of each. I was totally impressed by the Match list and the rotations. only detraction as another interviewee said was the COMLEX II scores.. but to each to their own. I think it's more than satisfactory.
 
I've been accepted for class of 2009 at COMP. Only thing that bothers me is that when I asked a professor during interview what the board pass rate is and they told me around 70%. I know it is how you prepare yourself too, but I still beleive school should help out a little too. It is good to know that they are changing the curriculum. I don't like the nubering system on the grades, but all the schools I applied to have the same system. I think the allopathic schools has it easy with pass/fail.
 
I believe COMP has lots of potential as well. Four people from my undergard attend COMP now and they keep telling me to stay away from it (due to low board scores while dealing with very demanding courses, high attrition, rotation problems ,etc.) . It would be very hard for me to stay away because it is so close to my family who I am very close to. I know that if I get into Touro, I will be turning down COMP for many reasons. I have visited on numerous occasions and just never got a feeling of being at a school... I think it's a strong program, I am friends with alumni and current students, but if it were not in California, I would've definatly withdrawn my application.

In my interview group, we had this joke going on... that everyone we ask about why they chose COMP is for location reasons... and something like 20 people we asked, all of them said it was for location. I went into further detail with some people and asked them how often they see their families since they decided to go there because it was close to to their family. I heard things like 2 months - 5 months ( I don't know how that's possible if school started in August, I guess some were MS II's). Anyway, it seems like the location things is only benefitial when applying to residencies, not because you get to hang out with your family and friends every weekend.

Just thought I'd give my $0.015 also because I have strongly considered COMP and met with many recent graduates as well and I believe it has potential to become a strong program. I would probably have not turned down an acceptance, but for the sole purpose of location which is not a reason to choose an education that will get you in the hole for about $200k. The rigorous first two years teaching COMP grads a major scope of sciences will also ensure that I hire lots of COMP grads when I open up my practice :D

It's really good to hear some positive things too about the school. There is too much **** talked about that school. Good luck :thumbup:
 
NoNews said:
1. COMP is in Pomona, not L.A. BIG DIFFERENCE.

2. Program/school improving? Well, they've been located in a strip mall for 27 years. Where's the initiative?

3. Too much time in class.

4. The whole feel of the place is cheesy (again, the strip mall thing) and uninspiring. Classmates/faculty would have to be beyond fantastic to compensate. Not even sure that would be enough. Might just have to go there with grateful to be in anywhere attitude.

5. Relies far too much on tuition for funding. They tell you up front it will go up 5-10% per year and that, with living expenses, you can expect to pay in excess of $52K per year. For that? Pass . . .


NoNews, if you really thought about your own rhetorics and if you're intelligent enough to be an aspiring doctor, you could come up with what I'm going to say yourself.

1)Yes, Pomona is about 35 minutes from Downtown. It takes 35min+ even from Beverly Hills or DisneyLand or most places in LA to get to Downtown. Perhaps that's a "big difference" for you if you grew up in a small town. There's definitely no "big difference" in terms of the opportunities that are available and accessable, like I mentioned in my original post under the section "LOCATION." Go back and read what I wrote and tell me if what you wrote in your response proved any "big difference" because of location.

2)Your logic is very interesting. I doubt if other aspiring doctors see the correlation that you made between strip mall and school program.

3)I agree, but attendance is not taken.

4)The place is cheesy therefore you might just have to come here with the grateful to be anywhere attitude. Did you really just say that? I hope you could identify yourself so perhaps people could make better informed decision in choosing their physician, that's if you become one in the future.

5)I don't know enough about how schools are run in general to comment, unlike NoNews.
 
I have a masters in urban policy and think the BEST thing about COMP is the "adaptive reuse" (nerdy buzzword) of strip mall into medical school. TUCOM-NV is essentially doing the same thing; why waste start-up funds on building a building from scratch when you can use the money for programs and interiors instead?

Jinyaoysiu: thanks for your thoughts. Regarding rotations, is there a published list of where third and fourth year affiliated rotations are required to be done or can be done? I found this thread by searching for that topic, but didn't have any luck. PM me if you like. Thanks!
 
Sorry I do not have a list of all of the hospitals but I know at least half of your 3rd year is done at either Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton, Downey Regional Medical Center in Downey or Pacific Hospital of Long Beach in Long Beach.

You could take a look at this link to give yourself an idea of the 3rd and 4th year curriculum.
http://www.westernu.edu/bin/pdf/Admis_Curriculum_101703.pdf


Notice all that electives in the 4th year? I know many COMP students chose to come here because of that. That's what will get you a particular competitive residency for you, if you want to gun for it.

Ask anyone in residency and they will tell you that the 3rd and 4th years are the most important, and "most important" is an understatement. I heard that on a scale of 10, the 3rd/4th years would be about a 9 while the first 2 years are about 2 or 3.

And it surprises me that most applicants do not know this and they choose their schools solely based on what they see in the labs and lecture halls, and end up not so happy in their 3rd/4th years.

I know that most schools have been kind of vague in terms of giving a concrete list of hospitals to the applicants, which was what I encountered when I was an applicant. However I went with the word of mouth on that one. There's a reason why COMP has a good reputation for its clinical years. I talked to a few 3rd/4th year students who came back on campus to visit or for administrative reason about their clinical years and I've heard nothing but praises. And many of the students that got into competitive residencies did not even get good grades in their 1st 2 years, because most residency programs don't even care about grades from 1st 2 years.

So that's what I tell myself when I'm stressing out about my exams :) But I'm still doing my best because I find the materials all to be extremely interesting and I want the most out of this experience.
 
First and foremost, thanks for starting this thread and sharing your experiences with us. Your posts have been very informative and I really enjoy reading all of them. I live around Covina and I have been to Western a couple times. As far as the location is concerned, I personally think that it is not all that far away from L.A. (with traffic and everything, it usually takes about 40-50 minutes to get to Hollywood, which I think is normal in L.A. areas). I have heard many good things about the school and students seem to be very supportive of one another (like you've mentioned). However, the only thing that I do not find impressive is the fact that the environment. I mean, the school buildings are located in what it seems like a "ghost town". To me, it really feels more like a warehouse than a school. I think this is the only drawback in my opinion. Everything else is awesome for sure.

Overall, it is a great school and I would not mind attending at all. :D
 
Also, I appreciate that Elysium took the time to point out the correct terminology for the COMLEX. However, I got a dejavu feeling, from a time when my uncle saw a leading newspaper printing a headline "Fowl Play" for an article reporting on the Avian Flu. He said to me "I can't believe a respectable newspaper like that would make such a gross spelling error."

If no one else got my apparently unsuccessful humor then I will go back to edit it.
 
NoNews said:
1. COMP is in Pomona, not L.A. BIG DIFFERENCE.

2. Program/school improving? Well, they've been located in a strip mall for 27 years. Where's the initiative?

3. Too much time in class.

4. The whole feel of the place is cheesy (again, the strip mall thing) and uninspiring. Classmates/faculty would have to be beyond fantastic to compensate. Not even sure that would be enough. Might just have to go there with grateful to be in anywhere attitude.

5. Relies far too much on tuition for funding. They tell you up front it will go up 5-10% per year and that, with living expenses, you can expect to pay in excess of $52K per year. For that? Pass . . .



did you get rejected from COMP or something? why you gotta hate?

1. pomona is a cool little part of LA. any native will tell you the great thing about LA is that it's so spread out and every city is a bit different (except for OC, :laugh: ).

2. the strip mall layout rules. brick and ivy is for fictional med schools. what's wrong with being a bit unique? that's why COMP attracted me in the first place.

3. all i read was "wahhhhhhhh, med school is too hard! i only want to go to school for 2 hours a day! and i want naptime!"

4. "cheesy"? "grateful to be in anywhere attitude"? plenty of our class got multiple interviews and acceptances, myself included. did it ever occur to you that what you find cheesy might be what other people find endearing? you should consider that being able to see things from all sides is helpful to being a good doctor.

5. too bad you have such an outsider's knowledge of COMP, because if you knew what we know about the future, you wouldn't say "pass" at all...
 
I removed my original post (although it is quoted above) and offer my sincere apologies to anyone who may have been offended. I overreacted to what I read as an overly rosy picture of a campus I have visited several times. Please allow me to rephrase . . .

1. If you have not lived in SoCal and become accustomed to the lifestyle, traffic and smog conditions that are among the worst in the nation may make a person feel somewhat isolated in Pomona.

2. I appreciate that a school may start with modest facilities. That doesn't mean it has to stay that way. Your alma mater becomes your calling card in many situations as a professional. In my opinion, COMP has had three decades to establish a campus feel and has not been entirely successful. To me, this may possibly represent lack of interest from alumni and the community at large.

3. Test scores have been quite low recently. The administration seemed at a loss when asked to account for this situation and did not seem to have a plan in place to fix problem. Reputations like that can be somewhat difficult to shake, particularly when the causes are unknown or not well understood.

4. Too much time in class. Medical school is difficult, but not too difficult. All medical schools have made the mistake of overstuffing the curriculum and COMP, in my opinion, has compounded the problem by running an eight hour day. I don't feel that would allow enough time to assimilate and integrate the material in a meaningful way. Again, my opinion.

5. I busted my rear end to get a high score on the MCAT. Being fully engaged with the content, practicing relaxation techniques and repeating enough focus and confidence building mantras to make a Zen Bhuddist proud helped me demonstrate that I am capable of getting it right for the big exams. To learn that many people are accepted with scores well below the national average is somewhat irksome to me. This, and the fact that board pass rates have been low and attrition rates high, is a concern.

6. I felt the admin was too blunt about students having to absorb the increasing costs of medical educations. I would have liked to hear about their attempts to secure private funding (scholarships, grants, endowments, etc.) that could defray these costs. There was no mention of this. A $200k debt is a heavy burden for people mainly interested in primary care. For those not interested in rural care or the military, that presses some tough decisions.

Again, my apologies to any I may have offended. My visits to the campus have not left me with the impressions of good feeling that others hold. Whether it's beer, movies, presidential candidates, or med schools, people have different tastes. To those of you who have found COMP to your liking, best wishes now and in all your future endeavours.
 
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that dr. jack said:
brick and ivy is for fictional med schools.

Good one Jack.

I like COMP a lot and this is coming from the BIGGEST pre-matriculation skeptic ever. I was hung up on the strip mall thing for a while too, I won't lie...but damn as I walk in and out of the buildings, I don't think I could possibly care any less about what the school looks like - and quite honestly it grows on you...even the little dumpy town is cool now. The dynamics of our class is great and you won't find a better group of people to be around. Even the second years are so damn friendly its contagious.

Its a great time to be at COMP. I'm having fun.
 
NoNews said:
5. I busted my rear end to get a high score on the MCAT. Being fully engaged with the content, practicing relaxation techniques and repeating enough focus and confidence building mantras to make a Zen Bhuddist proud helped me demonstrate that I am capable of getting it right for the big exams. To learn that many people are accepted with scores well below the national average is somewhat irksome to me. This, and the fact that board pass rates have been low and attrition rates high, is a concern.

oh, the high MCAT score. kinda like a trophy wife- hard to get, makes you feel all good about yourself and you can show her off to all your friends. but if you don't hire a maid and a cook, you'll soon find yourself naked and hungry while she sits there and does nothing but look pretty.

you gotta hate the guys whose wives may be older and have smaller boobs, but they cook, clean, and put out every night.

</longest analogy ever>
 
that dr. jack said:
oh, the high MCAT score. kinda like a trophy wife- hard to get, makes you feel all good about yourself and you can show her off to all your friends. but if you don't hire a maid and a cook, you'll soon find yourself naked and hungry while she sits there and does nothing but look pretty.

you gotta hate the guys whose wives may be older and have smaller boobs, but they cook, clean, and put out every night.

</longest analogy ever>

Nicely said dr. jack. Just marry down and you'll be in good shape.
 
TweetyPie said:
Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:

?????

Yeah right :rolleyes: in terms of what my uncle said to me or yeah right :rolleyes: in terms of my humor being unsuccessful?

I sense your sourness and disbelief in what I said. You suggested that I told a lie with your
TweetyPie said:
Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiight :rolleyes:

Why did u think I lied? let me guess, because you thought I had to tell a lie to cover a supposed spelling mistake I made? and why did you think I would do that? because you thought I couldn't bear the fact that I made a spelling mistake and that someone corrected me on that?

I feel sorry for you, because it's only the people who likes to diss others on their tiniest possible mistakes are the ones that are terrified of being dissed by others and naturally assume everyone else is terrified of being dissed also.

I have no problem with being dissed when I'm being stupid and low, if that allows the people that dissed me to feel better about themselves. Therefore I would never care enough to tell a lie to avoid being dissed.

There is a difference between correcting others using a neutral tone of voice or even with some humor, like what Elysium did, and people who diss with sourness and :rolleyes:

So if it makes you feel better to think the Elysium successfully corrected me on making a spelling mistake and you successully dissed me on catching my lie, be my guest.
 
Bump, any thoughts from those of you who replied 2 years ago with how they like this school now that you ve been there for a while?

People kept mentioning how COMP grads have great residency matches and it was 2nd highest for its DO grads going into specialty fields. I didnt really notice this on the match lists.

"It's strange, because COMP has consistently placed its graduates into very competitive residencies and based on a post I made earlier, there are statistics that show COMP turn out the 2nd highest number of specialists of all DO school(assuming one would need higher scores to specialize)........ "
-Jinyaoysiu
 
Does anyone know where I can find the list of DO schools with their specialty match rate percentages the OP referred to?
 
I agree with you. I don't think COMP is the 2nd highest number of specialists of all DO schools. Here is the info from USNews:

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/grad/webextras/brief/sb_med_primarycare_brief.php


NRAI2001 said:
Bump, any thoughts from those of you who replied 2 years ago with how they like this school now that you ve been there for a while?

People kept mentioning how COMP grads have great residency matches and it was 2nd highest for its DO grads going into specialty fields. I didnt really notice this on the match lists.

"It's strange, because COMP has consistently placed its graduates into very competitive residencies and based on a post I made earlier, there are statistics that show COMP turn out the 2nd highest number of specialists of all DO school(assuming one would need higher scores to specialize)........ "
-Jinyaoysiu
 
m16surgeon said:
So now when someone enters an IM or Peds residency, they can't specialize? Hmmmm. I better think twice then about that IM spot I'm hoping to obtain if I want to specialize.

I thought you can specialize to many paths after an IM or Peds residency.
 
dr.z said:
I thought you can specialize to many paths after an IM or Peds residency.

Someone else isn't catching the humor in these posts
 
m16surgeon said:
So now when someone enters an IM or Peds residency, they can't specialize? Hmmmm. I better think twice then about that IM spot I'm hoping to obtain if I want to specialize.


I think in those lists they are accounting for fellowships after IM or Peds??
 
Man people are uptight these days. Lighten up, enjoy life, smile, have fun!!
 
m16surgeon said:
Man people are uptight these days. Lighten up, enjoy life, smile, have fun!!

Fun is for dental students
 
Since this thread was bumped up, a few people PM'd me about my post from 2004 and wanted to know where I'm at. I got into both COMP and Touro and ended up choosing COMP. I have had a very good experience here overall. Granted we are experimenting with a new curriculum and some bumps were exprerienced, but the administration was VERY receptive to our concerns and made us all happy in the end. They are making some changes after our input for next year's class. For the most part, instructors have been great and most of them really want us to do well. The environment is good, we are close to L.A., we have some great classmates, lectures are recorded on MP3 and uploaded right when they end, they are cutting the details out of lectures (and cutting classtime) and focusing more on "board relevant" teaching with instructors who also write for COMLEX... we are out at noon 2 or 3 times a week for those who decide to actually attend lecture (many students don't). I am happy here and if you have still have specific Qs, feel free to ask :thumbup: No school is perfect and it's up to you to choose what problems you'd rather deal with (mandatory 9-5 lectures, bad neighborhood, new curriculum, new school, etc.)
 
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