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Introducing Orion Taraban, PsyD Author of "The Value of Others: Understanding the Economic Model of Relationships to Get (and Keep) More of What You Want in the Sexual Marketplace" and owner of the YouTube channel PsycHacks (PsycHacks), Orion has amassed quite the audience and has appeared on several other YouTube channels such as Soft White Underbelly, The Diary of a CEO, and Leveling up Eric Siu (I am personally unfamiliar with the latter two) to speak about his opinions.
He is a licensed clinical psychologist who openly talks about people's "sexual marketplace value." He says that a woman's 'peak value' is at 18 and gradually declines throughout her life, with her best years being between 18 and 25. In contrast, he argues that men's peak value starts at 30 and continues to rise thereafter. He asserts that women should be, and I quote, "nastiest sluttiest version of yourself" to get and keep a man, even suggesting that "sex is the Trojan horse to get into the city." He supports his argument based on experiences in client therapy and consultation, saying that "a guy is not going to hit and quit a woman who does the freaky nasty **** for him because he knows he can't get that on the street corner." These quotes are based on a Soft White Underbelly interview that was done 7 months ago on love and marriage.
What is the most disconcerting is he is able to provide what sound like logical arguments, constantly able to cite research and speak from personal experience about these things, that make him sound right. As many of you are psychologists on this forum - you can understand why this is tricky when our brains rely on quick heuristics (appearance, status, education level) to make judgments based on others. Combine heuristics with knowledge (or the appearance of such), and we bypass our critical thinking skills to adopt these ways of thinking as truth.
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There are two polarizing opinions on him: People have called him the Andrew Tate that went to college (he's terrible, feeding into the red pill misogynistic agenda), and those that absolutely love and adore him (he makes perfect sense, highly applicable, saved my life).
Here are some of the comments that I have pulled from Reddit or Youtube about people's differing opinions on him:
1. "I discovered this dude a few weeks ago and while it was initially hard for me be on board with what he was saying, I do believe he has talked to hundreds of men and knows what he's talking about. A lot of what he says is very logical. I'm a woman and I don't disagree with most of it but I do also think he sometimes caters to incels, likely because he's worked with a lot of them and knows how they work."
2. "The worst part is he is articulate. He can make as many emotionally charged references to literature to explicate his concept of “love separate from relationship” and get Mark’s praise etc. but this **** is horrible. I’ve watched my family fall apart because of mentalities like this. I’ve met plenty of “high value” (capital tool) men and they are miserable. His own advice works poorly for him, as he admits he can’t get laid anymore since becoming a “rich successful psychologist.”
3. "I'm not one to easily give compliments but I'll say this, Dr. Orion Taraban is on another level. No joke, this guy’s like the Batman of psychology, you know, if Batman traded the cape for a whiteboard and started dropping Redpill wisdom like it’s Gotham at 2 AM. The way he breaks down complex topics with such logical consistency is honestly mind-blowing. It’s like watching someone solve a Rubik’s Cube with their eyes closed, except instead of colors, he’s untangling the twisted mess that is human behavior.
As a fellow psych nerd, I’ve gotta say, I’ve never seen someone apply psychological theory to real-life situations with such finesse. Most people out here are regurgitating the same old buzzwords, but Dr. Orion? He’s out here serving up gourmet-level insights while the rest of us are still nibbling on fast food. And the best part? His takes actually hold up. You can poke at them, test them, try to find a flaw, and good luck with that because the dude’s got receipts.
*fast forward a few paragraphs*
He doesn’t just talk about these deep, complex topics, he slices them up with surgical precision, and you’re left sitting there like, “How did I not see that before?” watching his videos is like getting a masterclass in logic and critical thinking. You know that feeling when you finally understand a meme that’s been flying over your head? Yeah, it’s like that, but with human behavior and psychological principles. By the time he’s done, you’re nodding along, thinking, “Okay, I get it now.”
4. "It's wild to have you put this into perspective. Simply wow. Men need to understand this. We all know woman simply won't listen to this or pretend it's not true."
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Reading some of these comments baffles me, but does not surprise me. Nor does it surprise me he has such a large audience that agrees with him. I am just astonished that someone practicing under a psychology license is able to make such sweeping claims about people and relationships publicly, as it doesn't seem ethical.
Thoughts?
He is a licensed clinical psychologist who openly talks about people's "sexual marketplace value." He says that a woman's 'peak value' is at 18 and gradually declines throughout her life, with her best years being between 18 and 25. In contrast, he argues that men's peak value starts at 30 and continues to rise thereafter. He asserts that women should be, and I quote, "nastiest sluttiest version of yourself" to get and keep a man, even suggesting that "sex is the Trojan horse to get into the city." He supports his argument based on experiences in client therapy and consultation, saying that "a guy is not going to hit and quit a woman who does the freaky nasty **** for him because he knows he can't get that on the street corner." These quotes are based on a Soft White Underbelly interview that was done 7 months ago on love and marriage.
What is the most disconcerting is he is able to provide what sound like logical arguments, constantly able to cite research and speak from personal experience about these things, that make him sound right. As many of you are psychologists on this forum - you can understand why this is tricky when our brains rely on quick heuristics (appearance, status, education level) to make judgments based on others. Combine heuristics with knowledge (or the appearance of such), and we bypass our critical thinking skills to adopt these ways of thinking as truth.
------
There are two polarizing opinions on him: People have called him the Andrew Tate that went to college (he's terrible, feeding into the red pill misogynistic agenda), and those that absolutely love and adore him (he makes perfect sense, highly applicable, saved my life).
Here are some of the comments that I have pulled from Reddit or Youtube about people's differing opinions on him:
1. "I discovered this dude a few weeks ago and while it was initially hard for me be on board with what he was saying, I do believe he has talked to hundreds of men and knows what he's talking about. A lot of what he says is very logical. I'm a woman and I don't disagree with most of it but I do also think he sometimes caters to incels, likely because he's worked with a lot of them and knows how they work."
2. "The worst part is he is articulate. He can make as many emotionally charged references to literature to explicate his concept of “love separate from relationship” and get Mark’s praise etc. but this **** is horrible. I’ve watched my family fall apart because of mentalities like this. I’ve met plenty of “high value” (capital tool) men and they are miserable. His own advice works poorly for him, as he admits he can’t get laid anymore since becoming a “rich successful psychologist.”
3. "I'm not one to easily give compliments but I'll say this, Dr. Orion Taraban is on another level. No joke, this guy’s like the Batman of psychology, you know, if Batman traded the cape for a whiteboard and started dropping Redpill wisdom like it’s Gotham at 2 AM. The way he breaks down complex topics with such logical consistency is honestly mind-blowing. It’s like watching someone solve a Rubik’s Cube with their eyes closed, except instead of colors, he’s untangling the twisted mess that is human behavior.
As a fellow psych nerd, I’ve gotta say, I’ve never seen someone apply psychological theory to real-life situations with such finesse. Most people out here are regurgitating the same old buzzwords, but Dr. Orion? He’s out here serving up gourmet-level insights while the rest of us are still nibbling on fast food. And the best part? His takes actually hold up. You can poke at them, test them, try to find a flaw, and good luck with that because the dude’s got receipts.
*fast forward a few paragraphs*
He doesn’t just talk about these deep, complex topics, he slices them up with surgical precision, and you’re left sitting there like, “How did I not see that before?” watching his videos is like getting a masterclass in logic and critical thinking. You know that feeling when you finally understand a meme that’s been flying over your head? Yeah, it’s like that, but with human behavior and psychological principles. By the time he’s done, you’re nodding along, thinking, “Okay, I get it now.”
4. "It's wild to have you put this into perspective. Simply wow. Men need to understand this. We all know woman simply won't listen to this or pretend it's not true."
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Reading some of these comments baffles me, but does not surprise me. Nor does it surprise me he has such a large audience that agrees with him. I am just astonished that someone practicing under a psychology license is able to make such sweeping claims about people and relationships publicly, as it doesn't seem ethical.
Thoughts?