Just wanted to get a little discussion about the top 10 Ortho programs in the country. Now, no one get mad if your favorite school isn't on someone's list...instead, why don't you post your top 10!
I'm thinking about applying to Lincoln Tech, myself.ItsGavinC said:Vermont College of Polytechnic Automechanics and Fast-Food Studies ranks high on my list.
Uncalled for.ItsGavinC said:Vermont College of Polytechnic Automechanics and Fast-Food Studies ranks high on my list.
OK, sarcasm aside, I'll try to give a straight answer. Just like with your DDS, your patients aren't going to know or be able to judge your ability based on where you pick up your MSD. Also just like dental school, you'll get the fundamental training you need to do the job no matter where you go, but most of the onus will be on you if you want to be one of the best. As competitive as ortho is to get into, you should keep all your options open.akordz said:hmm....ok, not exactly the responses i was looking for, but i was just curious. afterall, though i will be an ortho regardless of the program, i just wanted to know what programs are more respected in the field than others.
thanks
aphistis said:OK, sarcasm aside, I'll try to give a straight answer. Just like with your DDS, your patients aren't going to know or be able to judge your ability based on where you pick up your MSD. Also just like dental school, you'll get the fundamental training you need to do the job no matter where you go, but most of the onus will be on you if you want to be one of the best. As competitive as ortho is to get into, you should keep all your options open.
SDN9876 said:VCU
UConn
UNC
UCSF
UCLA
Harvard
Baylor
Oregon H&S
Many others...Etc...
akordz said:thanks for putting up a list of schools that you think are good. has anyone heard anything good/bad about programs at: Boston, Tufts, UOP, Columbia, NYU, UPenn????? thanks again...
jpollei said:Well said texas dds. That's pretty on from what I know as well.
At the ADA conference for the new dentist last month, the ADA presidency and trustees expressed their concern about corporate involvement of groups like OEC in dentistry...the ADA has been careful not to come out and say they oppose or disapprove of them, but the ADA is definately not heralding these programs as wonderful, either. I tend to agree with texas dds sentiments that this might cause a tiering of orthodontists, whether justified or not. It would be somewhat akin to trying to operate a dental school without any clinical faculty...or part-timers at best. Kind of an unnerving thought. Also, another circulating thought is that unless Colorado, Jacksonville, etc is down the street from where you grew up or want to practice, those who attend these residencies are those who "couldn't get in anywhere else," although that in reality may be completely untrue.
Technically, until the first classes graduate and such, we really won't know. If I decide to apply to an ortho residency, it would likely not be an OEC-based one. Heck, if you want to make a commitment of that nature & have to work for someone else, do a military residency. At least then you'd know the faculty and teaching standards are up to par based on years of present graduates.
UNLV OMS WANABE said:All I hear about is how much the orthodontists complain here in vegas about how these residents won't be able to provide decent services, which is a bunch of garbage.
ItsGavinC said:And how do you know that? The funding is non-traditional, the matriculated students are non-traditional, and the curriculums are non-traditional. That doesn't mean they won't provide decent (or better!) services than more traditional programs, but it certainly leaves room for doubt until the program has proven itself. Which, it hasn't yet.
UNLV OMS WANABE said:That is exactly my point. You can't sit there and bag on the program before it has even started! It hasn't disproven itself yet either. You know they are going to do their best to crank out good ortho's bc otherwise the program will sink itself. They obviously have the resources ($$$) to be a cutting edge program. Maybe they will surprise everyone, maybe not, either way let's give them the benefit of the doubt.
UNLV OMS WANABE said:I'm so sick of people bagging on the oec thing. First of all I have absolutely no interest in ortho, but I have as of yet to hear some arguments that would make me hate the idea. So, are you all saying that these otho's will not be able to practice at the same level as a resident from another program? Come on, get real. How hard is it to really band up a kid. The people in the program are only interested in bread and butter ortho. They arn't interested in big complex cases involving surgery and more. They just want a big piece of the ortho pie and I say let them have it. All I hear about is how much the orthodontists complain here in vegas about how these residents won't be able to provide decent services, which is a bunch of garbage. They just don't want 12 new orthodontists a year in the city. I am very glad that our school has signed a deal with oec bc we get a brand new fatty building that will be able to house 3 or more residency programs. The debate over these programs will go on and on but the fact that UNLV has one does not say anything about the dental school itself. If I were interested in ortho and I couldn't get in anywhere else I would go there in a heartbeat. What is there to worry about? People looking down on me bc I went to "an OEC program," who cares. I would have gotten what I wanted and screw everyone else who has a problem with it. Until there is actually proof that residents from these programs consistently provide substandard care everyone should chill out.