Orthodontics residency chances with low stats? Should I give up?

[toothstuff]

Hi guys, I go to a low tier dental school, my GPA is 3.3 and a 4th year. My class ranking is the lower 1/3 of the class.I was wondering if you guys could help me figure out if it's even worth it to try and apply to orthodontic residency. I know my GPA and stats are horrible but I really enjoyed learning about orthodontics and do feel like I would be a good fit for orthodontics especially personality wise. If you guys think there's even a slighest bit of hope, what would you recommend I do? I do have research experience, poster presentation etc.. If you don't think I have any chance, I would request you to not be mean about it, thank you so much for all your help guys!

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[bracketbuster68]

No way to know unless you apply. I would consider 1 yr internships and also apply to programs that are expensive and have a lot of seats. Non match programs like Jacksonville, Georgia, Colorado, Seton Hill come to mind.

 

[e00z]

It’s gonna be tough but with great recs, research, gre, adat, and personal statement...it’s possible I think.

 

[toothstuff]

No way to know unless you apply. I would consider 1 yr internships and also apply to programs that are expensive and have a lot of seats. Non match programs like Jacksonville, Georgia, Colorado, Seton Hill come to mind.

Thank you, I will add these to the list of schools that I am going to apply

 

[toothstuff]

It’s gonna be tough but with great recs, research, gre, adat, and personal statement...it’s possible I think.

When is a good time to take the ADAT?

 

[HatInTheCat]

This might be different from the rest of the opinions here, but here’s what I have to offer as an older/nontraditional dental student:

Grades aren’t the end all be all. 3.3 is a good GPA. Grade inflation is real, and everyone knows it. No one wants to admit it.

Are you truly curious about the work of an orthodontist? Do you know any orthodontists that you can develop relationships with? Building connections is well worth your time IMO than just sucking up to directors with high stats.

A guy in the class above me who graduated made it into oral surgery and was bottom 50% in the class. He showed up to events, did the best he could academically, made connections and didn’t think of himself any less.

The biggest lesson you should take with you is that directors want to see if you can be regarded as one of them. Sounds vain, but true.

Put in the effort to learn about that profession a bit better, write a standout personal statement, perhaps do a GPR or AEGD to get experience and IMO that will make you stand out from the usual suck ups who apply.

 

[e00z]

When is a good time to take the ADAT?

Anytime when it’s open.Just try to take it before you apply.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

Hi guys, I go to a low tier dental school, my GPA is 3.3 and a 4th year. My class ranking is the lower 1/3 of the class.I was wondering if you guys could help me figure out if it's even worth it to try and apply to orthodontic residency. I know my GPA and stats are horrible but I really enjoyed learning about orthodontics and do feel like I would be a good fit for orthodontics especially personality wise. If you guys think there's even a slighest bit of hope, what would you recommend I do? I do have research experience, poster presentation etc.. If you don't think I have any chance, I would request you to not be mean about it, thank you so much for all your help guys!

If you get in, almost certainly it will be to a program that will cost you $300,000. How much do you owe in student loans already?

Big Hoss

 

[Maintainer]

If you get in, almost certainly it will be to a program that will cost you $300,000. How much do you owe in student loans already?

Big Hoss

I will even pay 600k if I can get into ortho. Ortho's lifestyle is definitely worth it.

 

[FeralisExtremum]

I will even pay 600k if I can get into ortho. Ortho's lifestyle is definitely worth it.

Are you sure? 600k + debt accumulated during dental school is likely going to put a financial strain on that "ortho lifestyle" you're envisioning.

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

I will even pay 600k if I can get into ortho. Ortho's lifestyle is definitely worth it.

But, you didn’t answer my question. Are you trying to become the next Mike Meru?

Big Hoss

 

[Anondds87]

I will even pay 600k if I can get into ortho. Ortho's lifestyle is definitely worth it.

What do you like about the lifestyle that makes you think it's worth so much?

 

[Big Time Hoosier]

What do you like about the lifestyle that makes you think it's worth so much?

Because they probably have never known the joy of paying back student loans.

Big Hoss

 

[Maintainer]

Are you sure? 600k + debt accumulated during dental school is likely going to put a financial strain on that "ortho lifestyle" you're envisioning.

I'm not just talking about the finance aspect. For that, it would be much better to open a clinic as GP. What I am saying is that while the practice owner can make more money than ortho, it puts a lot of pressure on the body due to the high intensity of the labor which will lead to irreversible back and neck pain. For ortho, I've never heard of people complaining of back pain.

 

[yappy]

I'm not just talking about the finance aspect. For that, it would be much better to open a clinic as GP. What I am saying is that while the practice owner can make more money than ortho, it puts a lot of pressure on the body due to the high intensity of the labor which will lead to irreversible back and neck pain. For ortho, I've never heard of people complaining of back pain.

Just use proper ergonomics and take care of yourself. I know tons of people whose "backs are out", or live with chronic MSK pain, due to being fat, inactive, and/or looking at their phones all day who are not dentists. Having said that, I say go for it if you cannot stand doing other forms of dentistry, or actually like ortho.

 

[bracketbuster68]

I'm not just talking about the finance aspect. For that, it would be much better to open a clinic as GP. What I am saying is that while the practice owner can make more money than ortho, it puts a lot of pressure on the body due to the high intensity of the labor which will lead to irreversible back and neck pain. For ortho, I've never heard of people complaining of back pain.

Not to mention easy access, simple med hx, assistants do a lot of work, no emergencies, healthy mouths, no injections (unless you place TADs), pts generally happy to see you.

 

[Anondds87]

Because they probably have never known the joy of paying back student loans.

Big Hoss

If someone was willing to pay me 600k to take my spot in residency I would happily accept

 

[AONLINE]

I have same GPA and class rank as OP, but I’ll graduate without any debt due to help from parents and relatives. I don’t hate general dentistry but also thought that ortho will be a better choice to avoid any future back pain. Would an expensive ortho program be worth it in my case?

 

[mmc12]

I have same GPA and as class rank as OP, but I’ll graduate without any debt due to help from parents and relatives. I don’t hate general dentistry but also thought that ortho will be a better choice to avoid any future back pain. Would an expensive ortho program be worth it in my case?

Maybe shadow some orthodontists to see how their work is like. Orthos generally see 60+ patients a day. Although the assistants do a lot of the work, it's still a lot to handle. You have to be able to make really quick clinical decisions and generally have to be a "people person."

 

[P7898]

5 words. One starts with Georgia and the other ends with Orthodontics.

 

[dental05]

Hi guys, I go to a low tier dental school, my GPA is 3.3 and a 4th year. My class ranking is the lower 1/3 of the class.I was wondering if you guys could help me figure out if it's even worth it to try and apply to orthodontic residency. I know my GPA and stats are horrible but I really enjoyed learning about orthodontics and do feel like I would be a good fit for orthodontics especially personality wise. If you guys think there's even a slighest bit of hope, what would you recommend I do? I do have research experience, poster presentation etc.. If you don't think I have any chance, I would request you to not be mean about it, thank you so much for all your help guys!

Hey, I know this is an older thread but I just want to say you're not alone. I'm in a very similar situation. Are there any updates at all? Did you decide to apply?