Osteopatic schools teaching dentistry

[NE Ohio Penguin]

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Hey everyone,

I was just reading threads about people getting interviews to dental schools that are affiliated with osteopathic schools in the nation.

Given their [osteopathic] reputation, and the disdain that our fellow brethrens in the allopathic health field, should we be worried about what they are going to introduce into the dental field? I was just wondering what people's thoughts are on this.

Osteopathic philosophy is a far departure to modern medicine/dentistry.

 

[Smills91]

What's wrong with Osteopathic Medicine?

 

[djeffreyt]

What exactly about Osteopathic medicine is such a huge departure? And what disdain are you talking about?

I have worked with quite a few osteopathic physicians and also had an osteopathic physician for many years before I moved. The DOs and MDs all worked very well together. I never noticed any disdain. In fact, they often traded information and consulted each other all the time on cases.

As for philosophy, it's not all that different nowadays. The main tenant (and I'm paraphrasing from experience) for the DOs is simply that the patient much be treated as a whole human, not a set of symptoms and signs to a disease. This philosophy has more or less been adapted by all medical fields today, including dentistry. We don't just treat a mouth, we treat a human being with all the overlapping implications, but we focus on the oral health of that human being. The only other real difference is learning OMM, which, again, is a fairly accepted form of treatment in the overall medical community today. Many of the MDs went to our DOs for treatment of different problems as a professional courtesy.

So, I wouldn't worry about the effect of a DO school associated to a dental school. It will probably be a good thing in my view, but then, I'm not so clear on why you think DOs have such a differing view on patient treatment. Maybe you know or think something that I don't know about.

 

[superfinger45]

Hey everyone,

I was just reading threads about people getting interviews to dental schools that are affiliated with osteopathic schools in the nation.

Given their [osteopathic] reputation, and the disdain that our fellow brethrens in the allopathic health field, should we be worried about what they are going to introduce into the dental field? I was just wondering what people's thoughts are on this.

Osteopathic philosophy is a far departure to modern medicine/dentistry.

What are you talking about?

 

[NE Ohio Penguin]

Wow, apparently alot of you guys just know what the osteopathics have been circulating as their own literature.

Let us take a stroll back to the 1960s when allopathic medicine attempted to shut the osteopathics down. The reason behind this is that many of the osteopathic schools have never really affiliated themselves with a major university. A national report suggested that those that health professional schools that don't affiliate themselves with a major university are not as credible as those that do. Many osteopathic schools shut down because of this.

I just don't want to see this happening to dentistry, that's all.

Plus my wife works with two osteopathic physicians and lets just say they're by far not what they're claiming in terms of being "equal" to their allopathic counter parts. I wonder if this will be true of dentistry??

Anyways, if you want to do osteodent...more power to you. Just don't kill the patients with your manipulations while they're in the chair.

Cheers.

 

[NE Ohio Penguin]

I just emailed a buddy who is doing osteopathic, and he told me his school's pass rate on their boards is something like 50%. That's horrible.

I wonder what their pass rate for the dental boards are??!?!

I know U Penn dental has like 25-30% of their class going into dental specialties...very impressive.

If those of you interviewing at like NOVA or Midwester, or that Arizona school, you might ask them this question. I'm curious as to what they say.

Good luck to everyone.

Cheers!

 

[drteeth]

I just emailed a buddy who is doing osteopathic, and he told me his school's pass rate on their boards is something like 50%. That's horrible.

I wonder what their pass rate for the dental boards are??!?!

I know U Penn dental has like 25-30% of their class going into dental specialties...very impressive.

If those of you interviewing at like NOVA or Midwester, or that Arizona school, you might ask them this question. I'm curious as to what they say.

Good luck to everyone.

Cheers!

No offense, but you have no clue what youre talking about. Osteopathic physicians are just as well qualified, if not more so, compared to allopathic. Just because your wife has bad experiences working with osteopathic physicians doesnt mean theyre all bad. There are plenty of terrible MD's out there as well. For reference, my gf goes to NOVA osteopathic and they have a 98% passing rate for the boards - this is higher than any school in the state of Florida, and its wayyyyyy above the national average.

Sorry for the rant but it annoys me when I hear people talking down about osteopathic schools when in actuality theyre very similar to medical schools - the only thing differing being the manipulative clincal aspect which many osteopathic physicians choose not to use beyond their studies...

 

[NE Ohio Penguin]

Osteopaths here in Ohio don't need to pass their manipulation boards. They also don't have to take the national boards their allopaths have to take, which ARE WAAAAY harder than the COMLEX (is that what it's called???)

Anyways, I'm not wailing on the osteopaths, I'm just saying to those of you looking at this thing from a dental perspective, you'd better get the total picture before you go down that path.

Free will people. Good luck to you all.

Cheers.

 

[djeffreyt]

hahaha

Rule # 42.

Anyways, I don't read Osteopathic Literature. I read things like the ACHA journals and AMA journals and have attended more than a couple medical conferences with both Osteopathic and Allopathic physicians. And you are totally correct, there are a lot of really stupid Osteopathic physicians out there. And there are also almost as many stupid Allopathic physicians too.

I wouldn't attend a non accredited school or a school where the graduating physicians don't need to take National Boards for certification. That school you mention in Ohio sounds bad. But then, the OP isn't asking about being an osteopathic physician.

Nova Southwestern is a major university with a strong science and health sciences base. It has other problems that need to be addressed, but the affect of the osteopathic school on the dental school is pretty nil. No dental school teaches their dentists to manipulate...that's just funny. Arizona is also affiliated with a major university. Right now, there isn't a single dental school that I can name offhand that isn't except maybe the new Arizona School that just opened.

As for boards, None of the dental schools that are associated with Osteopathic Medical Schools in the US allows their students to become dentists without passing the Board. HOWEVER, there are now a few states that have adopted the PGY1 system of licensure...but I don't think Florida or Arizona have, so I wouldn't sit around thinking you can go to a dental school in arizona and not take your boards.

And as for worrying about someone attending a dental school and not killing anyone when they first graduate...that's all we can really hope of ANY dental school. At least, this is my opinion of it.

I see dental school as a primer. When 95% of the dentists come out of dental school they are pretty much trained on the margin to successfully treat a patient without killing them...you know, just good enough to do something unsupervised with horrible consequences. In the end, you may do 40 Crowns, 40 Bridges, 10 root canals, 3 implants, and 200 various fillings during school, but that only really gets you to a decent enough level of skill to not hurt your patient too much. It's gonna take at least a couple more years after school before you really are at the point where you a great dentist and a great health provider. Don't kid yourself, when you graduate dental school, you won't be the best dentist in the state. When an allopathic or osteopathic physician graduates, she won't be the god of medicine, and you'll find good and bad dentists and physicians graduated from ANY SCHOOL.

 

[haisha ni narou]

hahaha

Rule # 42.

Anyways, I don't read Osteopathic Literature. I read things like the ACHA journals and AMA journals and have attended more than a couple medical conferences with both Osteopathic and Allopathic physicians. And you are totally correct, there are a lot of really stupid Osteopathic physicians out there. And there are also almost as many stupid Allopathic physicians too.

I wouldn't attend a non accredited school or a school where the graduating physicians don't need to take National Boards for certification. That school you mention in Ohio sounds bad. But then, the OP isn't asking about being an osteopathic physician.

Nova Southwestern is a major university with a strong science and health sciences base. It has other problems that need to be addressed, but the affect of the osteopathic school on the dental school is pretty nil. No dental school teaches their dentists to manipulate...that's just funny. Arizona is also affiliated with a major university. Right now, there isn't a single dental school that I can name offhand that isn't except maybe the new Arizona School that just opened.

As for boards, None of the dental schools that are associated with Osteopathic Medical Schools in the US allows their students to become dentists without passing the Board. HOWEVER, there are now a few states that have adopted the PGY1 system of licensure...but I don't think Florida or Arizona have, so I wouldn't sit around thinking you can go to a dental school in arizona and not take your boards.

And as for worrying about someone attending a dental school and not killing anyone when they first graduate...that's all we can really hope of ANY dental school. At least, this is my opinion of it.

I see dental school as a primer. When 95% of the dentists come out of dental school they are pretty much trained on the margin to successfully treat a patient without killing them...you know, just good enough to do something unsupervised with horrible consequences. In the end, you may do 40 Crowns, 40 Bridges, 10 root canals, 3 implants, and 200 various fillings during school, but that only really gets you to a decent enough level of skill to not hurt your patient too much. It's gonna take at least a couple more years after school before you really are at the point where you a great dentist and a great health provider. Don't kid yourself, when you graduate dental school, you won't be the best dentist in the state. When an allopathic or osteopathic physician graduates, she won't be the god of medicine, and you'll find good and bad dentists and physicians graduated from ANY SCHOOL.

Amen to that djeffreyt.

 

[lemoncurry]

Alls I know is that my alma mater has a matriculation program with a DO school, which is also planning on opening up a dental college in 2009, and i'm going to be spending some of my time next year lobbying for a similar matriculation program for the new dental school.

 

[JRogoff]

This is coming from someone that is just about to graduate from a dental school that is "affiliated" with an osteopathic school...note the use of quotes...there is hardly an affiliation. The strongest affilation the dental school has with the DO program is that we eat in the same cafeteria. Yes, we do take a couple of classes with the DOs, like anatomy and histology, and they do teach us some of the osteopathic bones and muscles...come on....give me a brake, anatomy is anatomy no matter who you talk to, unless you are talking to a fish.

 

[Regmata]

Its my understanding that the disdain M.D.s had for D.O.s has been transferred to people who go overseas to get their degrees. Osteopathic medicine is pretty solid and it would appear that it is here to stay...no need to pick on it.

 

[JackieTreehorn]

Wait, so D.M.D.O./D.O.D.S.? Or D.O.M.D./D.D.O.S.?

 

[Robert Paulsen]

Hey everyone,

I was just reading threads about people getting interviews to dental schools that are affiliated with osteopathic schools in the nation.

Given their [osteopathic] reputation, and the disdain that our fellow brethrens in the allopathic health field, should we be worried about what they are going to introduce into the dental field? I was just wondering what people's thoughts are on this.

Osteopathic philosophy is a far departure to modern medicine/dentistry.

The osteopathic philosophy is to treat the patient in consderation of their overall health situation as opposed to being like a mechanic who repairs problems as they occur, so yes it is quite different from the typical allopathic approach.

I am a D1 at ASDOH (part of ATSU) and see the same philosophy being applied to dentistry, though not using OMM techniques. In this case the philosophy is applied in the form of an emphasis on public health. All dental students are required to take 5 classes in public health and get a certificate, and they encourage students to get a master's degree in public health before graduating. The 3rd and 4th year rotations are at community health centers all over the US (more than 60 locations so far) and reports I have heard from D3 and D4 students are that we are well received wherever we go. I have also heard that the clinic at our school allows students to get a LOT of experience compared to many other schools.

Classes at ASDOH are taught in modules, typically 1 to 3 weeks at a time. Teachers are hired and flown in from other dental schools and are selected as best in their field by our dean (Dr. Dillenberg) and others. Students mainly focus on one subject at a time and then take first level board exams after the first year of classes. The first attempt passing rate has been better than 90%. Students are encouraged to share work, work together, and minimize competitive behavior. The school tries to graduate everyone they admit, unlike some schools I have heard of that make things as painful as possible for students. After each class is completed students fill out evaluation forms to provide feedback on the instructor and course material. The D3s and D4s tell me that the administrators pay careful attention to the feedback and act on it quickly.

The school is a nearly new building (they graduated their first class this year) with lastest equipment. The clinic has digital x-rays, lasers, and even a MRI machine that shoots multiple images and creates 3D models in computer. All students perform many extractions, restorations, etc. and even place a couple implants before graduating. The well-ventilated anatomy lab that doesn't leave the smell of formalin on you is a big plus.

Don't be afraid of dental schools affiliated with osteopathic medical schools.

RP

 

[Yah-E]

Allow me to try to clear some stuff up!

First, no need to be afraid that Osteopathic philosophy will over take dentistry because a dental school is under the same university name as an Osteopathic school. It's like a Corvette and Tahoe are both made by Chevy, same company, but two different cars! Most recent new dental schools in the last 10 years (NSU, Arizona - AT Still, Midwestern) are together with an Osteopathic medical school under the same private university and let me tell you, THE ONLY REASON is because they are all private schools, own/run by the same company which has more funding, and less bureaucratic BS to go through to start a dental school than a state-funded public university! It all has to do with finances and profit. It has absolutely nothing to do with teaching philosophies or sharing curriculums! Dentistry and Osteopathy will never be integrated and combined together the way you had imagined. The closest these two professions will come together is we take the same basic science courses together taught by the same basic science faculty members. Another possible affliation is if a dental student consummates with an osteopathic student!

Secondly, about your thoughts on DOs are inferior to MDs, well, that's just your bad luck on meeting some inferior DOs in your neighborhood. One of my best friend is a DO from AZCOM and he is one of the best ER resident in one of the most busiest Trauma Center in the US here in New Orleans! As matter of fact, my friend is the ONLY DO resident in our hospital. It varies, my man, there idiotic MDs just like there are idiotic DMD/DDSs, there are idiotic people everywhere (you and I probably some of them)! You can't base the entire DOs and Osteopathic medicine philosophy on two DOs your wife works with! Beside, most employees don't like their bosses anyways! Your opinion on the DOs is simply bias especially they're your wife's opinions.

Sure we know Osteopathic medical schools are much less competitive than allopathic medical schools and COMLEX steps maybe less challenging than USMLE steps, these are not grounds to use against DO physicians and that dentistry will be influenced by Osteopathy philosophies because some dental schools are owned by the same people that owns osteopathic medical schools!?

I suggest you talk to more people and do more research before you make some off-the-wall statement about dentistry influenced by osteopathy. Also, a lot of the health professionals (students and practitioners) don't know about Osteopathy philosophy or even that a physician can be a DO (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine), needless to say about non-health professions people. 99% of non-health professions people they just know about MDs.

It's OK to not know, but it's not OK to be ignorant because you don't know.

 

[pmantz]

I actually know someone who was accpeted into MD schools, and also accepted into DO school. They chose to go the osteopathic route...

 

[aphistis]

It's OK to not know, but it's not OK to be ignorant because you don't know.

Department of redundancy department? 😛

 

[pmantz]

Department of redundancy department? 😛

I have a t-shirt with that on it.

 

[Robert Paulsen]

Don't forget the classic ADAA: American Dodge-ball Association of America!

 

[Meatwad]

I actually know someone who was accpeted into MD schools, and also accepted into DO school. They chose to go the osteopathic route...

There was a thread about this in the Osteopathic Forums... apparently there are lots of students doing this. Location trumps initials for many, so it seems.

 

[KOM]

DO's have the exact same training as MD's with the exception that they are also trained in OMM.

Your allopathic superiority/elitist comments are worthless.

 

[gtleeee]

Wow, apparently alot of you guys just know what the osteopathics have been circulating as their own literature.

Let us take a stroll back to the 1960s when allopathic medicine attempted to shut the osteopathics down. The reason behind this is that many of the osteopathic schools have never really affiliated themselves with a major university. A national report suggested that those that health professional schools that don't affiliate themselves with a major university are not as credible as those that do. Many osteopathic schools shut down because of this.

I just don't want to see this happening to dentistry, that's all.

Plus my wife works with two osteopathic physicians and lets just say they're by far not what they're claiming in terms of being "equal" to their allopathic counter parts. I wonder if this will be true of dentistry??


anyways, if you want to do osteodent...more power to you. Just don't kill the patients with your manipulations while they're in the chair.




(Cheers)








The AMA and it's respective state associations "shut down" the Osteopathic profession in only one state in the 1960's and that was the merger in 1961 between the CMA (California Medical Association) and the COA (California Osteopathic Association). Here several thousand D.O.'s were granted the M.D. degree by the C.M.A. And the California Osteopathic school (The Los Angeles College of Osteopathy) was not shut down. It was converted to an M.D. conferring institution (UC Irvine) with no interuption in classes. During this merger the issue of The Osteopathic college having no university affiliation was never purported by the CMA to be even a minor issue. Rather the CMA wanted a very powerful rival group eliminated. A group they considered comprised for the most part of second rate practitioners. This was the only serious threat to Osteopathic medicine poised in the 1960s by any organized segement of Allopathic medicine. In fact, the 1960s were a time of unprecidented co-operation beween M.D.s and D.O.s in the United States. For the first time D.O.'s were found in M.D. training programs, and beginning in 1966 the first D.O.s entered the armed forces as Medical Officers (physicians). No Osteopathic medical college since 1945 has "shut down". Many ceased operations in the few years following the Flexner report as did many M.D. schools.

At present roughly one third of the Osteopathic colleges are University schools. OSU, Ohio University, Michigan State, and so on.

All the silly inaccuricies in your post tell me that you did not one minute of research before submiting this fictitious written diarrhea. I do not post much to SDN but when I do I try to ensure it's accuracy as best I can. The people who post here are for the most part college educated and I think that accuracy is important when posting in such a forum as SDN. If for no other reason than the fact that some young people read the posts here and reguard some off it as factual. What you think about the competence of D.O.'s has nothing to do with my ire at your post. That is your business, and if you consider D.O.'s substandard charlatans than more power to you.

As far as your wife and her experience working for 2 D.O.'s. I would not ever think of embarressing myself by describing my ex wife's experience working with 3 marginally competent FMGs (M.D.s) in Family practice in the early 1980s. Why, because it would be silly to describe (as an anecdote) the competence of 3 individuals as indicative of the standards of the M.D. profession in general.

Do yourself a favor and do some perfunctory research before submitting your posts. Your's has the feel of an elementary school product and I bet you are at least in college. Doing a good job reguardless of the endeavor often requires just 15% more effort. I fear your "stroll down memory lane" is a stroll to a mental place where the words just rolled onto the page because it probably felt good. Your post has nothing whatsoever to do with the historical facts that you purport to know enough about so as to warn and pontificate to others.

 

[NE Ohio Penguin]

The AMA and it's respective state associations "shut down" the Osteopathic profession in only one state in the 1960's and that was the merger in 1961 between the CMA (California Medical Association) and the COA (California Osteopathic Association). Here several thousand D.O.'s were granted the M.D. degree by the C.M.A. And the California Osteopathic school (The Los Angeles College of Osteopathy) was not shut down. It was converted to an M.D. conferring institution (UC Irvine) with no interuption in classes. During this merger the issue of The Osteopathic college having no university affiliation was never purported by the CMA to be even a minor issue. Rather the CMA wanted a very powerful rival group eliminated. A group they considered comprised for the most part of second rate practitioners. This was the only serious threat to Osteopathic medicine poised in the 1960s by any organized segement of Allopathic medicine. In fact, the 1960s were a time of unprecidented co-operation beween M.D.s and D.O.s in the United States. For the first time D.O.'s were found in M.D. training programs, and beginning in 1966 the first D.O.s entered the armed forces as Medical Officers (physicians). No Osteopathic medical college since 1945 has "shut down". Many ceased operations in the few years following the Flexner report as did many M.D. schools.

At present roughly one third of the Osteopathic colleges are University schools. OSU, Ohio University, Michigan State, and so on.

All the silly inaccuricies in your post tell me that you did not one minute of research before submiting this fictitious written diarrhea. I do not post much to SDN but when I do I try to ensure it's accuracy as best I can. The people who post here are for the most part college educated and I think that accuracy is important when posting in such a forum as SDN. If for no other reason than the fact that some young people read the posts here and reguard some off it as factual. What you think about the competence of D.O.'s has nothing to do with my ire at your post. That is your business, and if you consider D.O.'s substandard charlatans than more power to you.

As far as your wife and her experience working for 2 D.O.'s. I would not ever think of embarressing myself by describing my ex wife's experience working with 3 marginally competent FMGs (M.D.s) in Family practice in the early 1980s. Why, because it would be silly to describe (as an anecdote) the competence of 3 individuals as indicative of the standards of the M.D. profession in general.

Do yourself a favor and do some perfunctory research before submitting your posts. Your's has the feel of an elementary school product and I bet you are at least in college. Doing a good job reguardless of the endeavor often requires just 15% more effort. I fear your "stroll down memory lane" is a stroll to a mental place where the words just rolled onto the page because it probably felt good. Your post has nothing whatsoever to do with the historical facts that you purport to know enough about so as to warn and pontificate to others.[/quote]

Are you a D.O.??? Your wife's a general practictioner? Well, If you didn't want to embarrass yourself as so say, then why bring these two points up.

My wfie is in pathology...so some intelligence is involved compared to a general practicioner. You get all sorts of people in general practice, I'll grant you that.

Not all foreign meds (FMG) are as incompetent as you so describe them. The best clinician you'd find will probably be Cuban trained. They have incredible clinical skills.

Pontificate??? It seems that you're the one doing this. I just asked a simple question. If you didn't like it, you were allowed to respond without judgment.
Does the U.S. Constitution ring a bell??? First amendment???

There's a fine line between objective reasoning and personal attack, and you just crossed it. Good luck to you.

Cheers!

 

[NE Ohio Penguin]

Oh...thank you for the history lesson. Oh wait a minute...I just said the same thing in not so many words, didn't I???? Wow, amazing.

 

[jeezy]

DOs do not have to take the USMLE, although MD and foreign students are required to.

DO schools offer scholarships to very well qualified students. so its not a question of whether someone is choosing DO over MD, but DO vs MD + -100k (obviously not a catch all case, but i'd bet its either that or location for most)

Choosing a dental school based on its other programs makes about as much sense as choosing a school based on its mascot.

 

[gtleeee]

The AMA and it's respective state associations "shut down" the Osteopathic profession in only one state in the 1960's and that was the merger in 1961 between the CMA (California Medical Association) and the COA (California Osteopathic Association). Here several thousand D.O.'s were granted the M.D. degree by the C.M.A. And the California Osteopathic school (The Los Angeles College of Osteopathy) was not shut down. It was converted to an M.D. conferring institution (UC Irvine) with no interuption in classes. During this merger the issue of The Osteopathic college having no university affiliation was never purported by the CMA to be even a minor issue. Rather the CMA wanted a very powerful rival group eliminated. A group they considered comprised for the most part of second rate practitioners. This was the only serious threat to Osteopathic medicine poised in the 1960s by any organized segement of Allopathic medicine. In fact, the 1960s were a time of unprecidented co-operation beween M.D.s and D.O.s in the United States. For the first time D.O.'s were found in M.D. training programs, and beginning in 1966 the first D.O.s entered the armed forces as Medical Officers (physicians). No Osteopathic medical college since 1945 has "shut down". Many ceased operations in the few years following the Flexner report as did many M.D. schools.

At present roughly one third of the Osteopathic colleges are University schools. OSU, Ohio University, Michigan State, and so on.

All the silly inaccuricies in your post tell me that you did not one minute of research before submiting this fictitious written diarrhea. I do not post much to SDN but when I do I try to ensure it's accuracy as best I can. The people who post here are for the most part college educated and I think that accuracy is important when posting in such a forum as SDN. If for no other reason than the fact that some young people read the posts here and reguard some off it as factual. What you think about the competence of D.O.'s has nothing to do with my ire at your post. That is your business, and if you consider D.O.'s substandard charlatans than more power to you.

As far as your wife and her experience working for 2 D.O.'s. I would not ever think of embarressing myself by describing my ex wife's experience working with 3 marginally competent FMGs (M.D.s) in Family practice in the early 1980s. Why, because it would be silly to describe (as an anecdote) the competence of 3 individuals as indicative of the standards of the M.D. profession in general.

Do yourself a favor and do some perfunctory research before submitting your posts. Your's has the feel of an elementary school product and I bet you are at least in college. Doing a good job reguardless of the endeavor often requires just 15% more effort. I fear your "stroll down memory lane" is a stroll to a mental place where the words just rolled onto the page because it probably felt good. Your post has nothing whatsoever to do with the historical facts that you purport to know enough about so as to warn and pontificate to others.

Are you a D.O.??? Your wife's a general practictioner? Well, If you didn't want to embarrass yourself as so say, then why bring these two points up.

My wfie is in pathology...so some intelligence is involved compared to a general practicioner. You get all sorts of people in general practice, I'll grant you that.

Not all foreign meds (FMG) are as incompetent as you so describe them. The best clinician you'd find will probably be Cuban trained. They have incredible clinical skills.

Pontificate??? It seems that you're the one doing this. I just asked a simple question. If you didn't like it, you were allowed to respond without judgment.
Does the U.S. Constitution ring a bell??? First amendment???

There's a fine line between objective reasoning and personal attack, and you just crossed it. Good luck to you.

Cheers![/QUOTE]



My whole point about the FMGs my ex worked for is that it was an anecdotal account and therefore useless for the most part. I have worked with many excellent FMG's. Therefore how silly it would be to use such an example to condemn a whole profession or a sub-group of one. Other than that my point again is that the statements you made were incorrect. You obviously just wrote your post without checking the validity of any of the things you said. I took pains to point out these ridiculous errors as have others. If you don't "get it" by now I am at a loss as to what more to say. Now since this is a pre-dental forum I think I will spare everyone here with any more about this from me.) In retrospect I see now I was more on the "attack" side than I should have been and for that I am sorry. My anger at your post because of it's grossly inaccurate observations is no excuse for a personal attack. In that sense you are quite correct.

 

[Istr8nthem]

I'm always amazed how these posts turn into testosterone tug of wars. It's always about who has the bigger cojones, who knows more, and who can use wikipedia the quickest to reply with "seemingly" witty remarks about said arguments/topics. Some of you people (not pointing fingers) really need to take a step back and think about the things you could be doing with your time instead....

 

[gtleeee]

I'm always amazed how these posts turn into testosterone tug of wars. It's always about who has the bigger cojones, who knows more, and who can use wikipedia the quickest to reply with "seemingly" witty remarks about said arguments/topics. Some of you people (not pointing fingers) really need to take a step back and think about the things you could be doing with your time instead....

Hehe....you youngsters assume anything that occurred before 1990 than some one must have garnered from a history book or Wikipedia. Well, in a sense I wish that were true. Than I would not be a 53 year D.O. in the last couple innings of his career and instead a youngster like you with everything in front of me. Actually I trained for a few months in Ca in the early 80s with quite of few of the Docs (as attending staff in hospitals) who had once been D.O.s before the 1961 merger. As far as "wit" is concerned, I have never had talent in that direction, so anything that passed as "wit" from me was not intended that way. But as far as time is concerned perhaps you have a good point. But 90 posts or so in 3 years in not too severe a number considering some of the people here who have thousands of posts (a staggering number) in just a few years. I try to chime in when I see grossly inaccurate statements about Osteopathic Medicine in this SDN forum though. A harmless enough diversion I suppose. Good luck to ya though.)

 

[Istr8nthem]

Hehe....you youngsters assume anything that occurred before 1990 than some one must have garnered from a history book or Wikipedia. Well, in a sense I wish that were true. Than I would not be a 53 year D.O. in the last couple innings of his career and instead a youngster like you with everything in front of me. Actually I trained for a few months in Ca in the early 80s with quite of few of the Docs (as attending staff in hospitals) who had once been D.O.s before the 1961 merger. As far as "wit" is concerned, I have never had talent in that direction, so anything that passed as "wit" from me was not intended that way. But as far as time is concerned perhaps you have a good point. But 90 posts or so in 3 years in not too severe a number considering some of the people here who have thousands of posts (a staggering number) in just a few years. I try to chime in when I see grossly inaccurate statements about Osteopathic Medicine in this SDN forum though. A harmless enough diversion I suppose. Good luck to ya though.)

I will simply ask you to take a look and see if I quoted any part of anything you said in my previous statement. That said, I was not talking about you specifically, I was speaking about ridiculous comments made by your sparring partner(s) throughout this entire post. I do however, notice MANY youngsters (which, I too am not) who obviously spew out things that were not pulled from their memory banks. I have the same philosophy as you when it comes to defending inaccuracies in my profession. Just wanted to make myself clear. Take care.

 

[gtleeee]

I will simply ask you to take a look and see if I quoted any part of anything you said in my previous statement. That said, I was not talking about you specifically, I was speaking about ridiculous comments made by your sparring partner(s) throughout this entire post. I do however, notice MANY youngsters (which, I too am not) who obviously spew out things that were not pulled from their memory banks. I have the same philosophy as you when it comes to defending inaccuracies in my profession. Just wanted to make myself clear. Take care.

well, I stand corrected then. Have a good one

 

[DocBR]

I just emailed a buddy who is doing osteopathic, and he told me his school's pass rate on their boards is something like 50%. That's horrible.

I wonder what their pass rate for the dental boards are??!?!

I know U Penn dental has like 25-30% of their class going into dental specialties...very impressive.

If those of you interviewing at like NOVA or Midwester, or that Arizona school, you might ask them this question. I'm curious as to what they say.

Good luck to everyone.

Cheers!

Wow. Your lack of insight is disgusting. I am fairly certain there is no DO school in the country with a board pass rate ~ 50%. You might want to check with your "friend" again.

AZCOM has a board pass rate that is 99% - 100% for the past 8 or so years.

If you were a dental student, you would not be learning manipulation, osteopathic principles, or anything that is DO related. You may learn holistic medicine (i.e. treat the body as a unit) but that is not distinctly osteopathic, allo and osteo schools now teach that.

 

[Regmata]

Yeah, but your boards are way easier... 😛

 

[DocBR]

Yeah, but your boards are way easier... 😛

They are not "way easier". They may be slightly easier, but that is why I am going to take the USMLE and COMLEX.