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Pain is the most over saturated subspecialty of anesthesia

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      This is what I received today from one of the recruiters.

      Covid certainly hasn't helped.

      Good luck current fellows on the job hunt.
       

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        This is what I received today from one of the recruiters.

        Covid certainly hasn't helped.

        Good luck current fellows on the job hunt.
        Sounds like that would be a fun gig. I really wanted to get back to doing some anesthesia, until Covid came and everyone at the hospital has been getting it...
         

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          Pain is oversaturated, but it's not because of anesthesia. It's all the non-anesthesia, "non-accredited fellowship" people out there "doing pain".

          You can find a pain job, no problem. The problem is finding one that doesn't expect you to be a drug dealer too.

          I agree with callmeanesthesia. This job sounds like a reasonable opportunity, especially if you are location dependent.
           
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            This is hilarious. The anesthesiology forum is saying pain is the best financial decision ever. They keep saying work for the device companies and get paid millions like a certain guy who's face is plastered over any mention of SCS. Cough cough
             

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              NASS is starting their "accredited" interventional spine fellowships with a match for PMR residents. Hard to say if this will increase total number of PMR interventionalists or will just cannibalize existing spine fellowships. My guess is every academic PMR dept in the country will want one though. These docs will likely end up in ortho/spine practices.

              I have read that FM sports fellowships are going to 2 years. Alot of those docs want to do fluoro procedures as well and should have time to do the training with longer fellowship.
               

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                This is hilarious. The anesthesiology forum is saying pain is the best financial decision ever. They keep saying work for the device companies and get paid millions like a certain guy who's face is plastered over any mention of SCS. Cough cough
                Yep. But selling your soul to a device company, obtaining ASC shares, owning a UDS lab, providing DME, owning your own compounding pharmacy, etc. aren't pain jobs. These are investments. There is no reason a non-pain-specialist can't participate in these investments.
                 
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                  Arguably the biggest problem with medicine is that we are not paid to take care of patients but rather document a bunch of crap and do procedures or surgeries. Trying to actually help the patient is disincentivized.
                   
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                    I have read that FM sports fellowships are going to 2 years. Alot of those docs want to do fluoro procedures as well and should have time to do the training with longer fellowship.

                    Sounds like there's going to be a lot of hands in the pot with a big crowd vying for fluoro spine procedures...
                     

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                      This is what I received today from one of the recruiters.

                      Covid certainly hasn't helped.

                      Good luck current fellows on the job hunt.


                      The question I always have with these oversaturation threads is what is the intended market? I certainly believe oversaturation is occurring in all off the major cities and in coastal cities, and that seems to be true for many office based specialties (ophthalmology, cosmetic derm, sports ortho, etc). I'd be more concerned if this was reaching into what others deem BFE, which my intended place of practice anyway.
                       
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                        I'm surprised I even found a pain job - this was back in the spring with the first wave of covid in full force in NYC. That being said I agree, in nyc everyone and their neighbor is practicing pain management. I've come across several $250+/hr locums gig in the area for straight anesthesia and am very tempted to ditch pain altogether.
                         
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                          I'm surprised I even found a pain job - this was back in the spring with the first wave of covid in full force in NYC. That being said I agree, in nyc everyone and their neighbor is practicing pain management. I've come across several $250+/hr locums gig in the area for straight anesthesia and am very tempted to ditch pain altogether.
                          I had made the mistake of saying NYC was a bad place for pain, esp post-covid, in the fellowship Application thread, and NYC fellows in that thread were accusing me of being some kind of mole manipulating people so I could take their fellowship spot from them. LOL. They just have no idea what job market they’re entering...
                           
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                            I had made the mistake of saying NYC was a bad place for pain, esp post-covid, in the fellowship Application thread, and NYC fellows in that thread were accusing me of being some kind of mole manipulating people so I could take their fellowship spot from them. LOL. They just have no idea what job market they’re entering...

                            Peterluger!

                            Naw- you implied NYC was a poor place to train this next year for fellowship, secondary to COVID. There is a difference between training at an NYC program and setting up permanent shop there. :shrug:

                            I'm going to the West Coast, so could really care less- and NYC might be a bad market... But what you are stating above is false. #EyeWitnessNews
                             
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                              Peterluger!

                              Naw- you implied NYC was a poor place to train this next year for fellowship, secondary to COVID. There is a difference between training at an NYC program and setting up permanent shop there. :shrug:

                              I'm going to the West Coast, so could really care less- and NYC might be a bad market... But what you are stating above is false. #EyeWitnessNews
                              Yeah and I stand by my statement. NYC is a terrible place for Pain. That implies both training and practice of Pain. I am right, you are wrong. Thank you bye.
                               

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                                I'm surprised I even found a pain job - this was back in the spring with the first wave of covid in full force in NYC. That being said I agree, in nyc everyone and their neighbor is practicing pain management. I've come across several $250+/hr locums gig in the area for straight anesthesia and am very tempted to ditch pain altogether.

                                Can you elaborate a little about ur current gig? Just trying to gauge what nyc jobs are looking like and if it's worth the city life.
                                 

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                                  Can you elaborate a little about ur current gig? Just trying to gauge what nyc jobs are looking like and if it's worth the city life.
                                  Junior attendings doing academic Pain in manhattan make in the low 300s. This is including doing some anesthesia to cover the money gap. Not sure what more senior academic pain attendings make
                                   

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                                    Junior attendings doing academic Pain in manhattan make in the low 300s. This is including doing some anesthesia to cover the money gap. Not sure what more senior academic pain attendings make

                                    That’s good for part time work, but when you back out all the taxes, retirement and fees they’re walking in their walking in the door with like $180K. You can make more money as a vice principal.
                                     
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                                      Junior attendings doing academic Pain in manhattan make in the low 300s. This is including doing some anesthesia to cover the money gap. Not sure what more senior academic pain attendings make
                                      But thats academics though. What's private or nonacademic employees jobs looking like? Are people getting 60/wrvu in the city?
                                       
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