PAs are underpaid and not respected enough for what they do...IMHO

[Big Bad Byron]

I joined this forum yesterday after reading some of the threads and finding it interesting reading material as I have considered medical school myself. not sure if I will ever go, but am interested in maybe becoming a doctor, especially cardiology and emergency medicine. What surprised me the most after reading more reading here today is the level of animosity towards PAs and NPs. I have been working in and around NYC for almost a decade as a PA and rarely if ever encountered such hostile physicians towards mid level providers.
Anyways, I wanted to voice my opinion after reading all the hateful comments towards PAs here and that is we are underpaid and under respected for our work. The other day I saw 41 patients in a day in a primary care setting and brought home around $350 for the shift. One doctor I worked for used to go to the casino while I saw all his patients for $50 a hour or so. I figured I was paying for his blackjack habit as easily making him $300 a hour after paying me. he was such a degenerate gambler he ended up having to close his practice and also was investigated for fraud. But I was not involved in that, he was double billing I heard... I wonder if the doctor who works opposite shifts of me feels like he dislikes PAs, gloats over the double salary he earns, or genuinely respects the fact that PAs care for many of the patients at the urgent care practice with no problems in past several years Ive been here at least? Shouldn't pay go up some more with time or is like 100-120k the max a PA will be earning? My brother does accounting after a masters degree and is earning around 250k after 10 years, but im still around 115K in medical work? So is that the max we deserve to make even with learning new skills, treating ALL the patients alone, and years of intense training with continuous learning for next decade? Am I just not negotiating hard enough?

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[Brahnold Bloodaxe]

If you wanna get paid like a doctor you should have gone to med school.

Edit: [Insert "go home and get your ... shinebox" gif that moderator removed here lol]

 

[deleted480308]

I joined this forum yesterday after reading some of the threads and finding it interesting reading material as I have considered medical school myself. not sure if I will ever go, but am interested in maybe becoming a doctor, especially cardiology and emergency medicine. What surprised me the most after reading more reading here today is the level of animosity towards PAs and NPs. I have been working in and around NYC for almost a decade as a PA and rarely if ever encountered such hostile physicians towards mid level providers.
Anyways, I wanted to voice my opinion after reading all the hateful comments towards PAs here and that is we are underpaid and under respected for our work. The other day I saw 41 patients in a day in a primary care setting and brought home around $350 for the shift. One doctor I worked for used to go to the casino while I saw all his patients for $50 a hour or so. I figured I was paying for his blackjack habit as easily making him $300 a hour after paying me. he was such a degenerate gambler he ended up having to close his practice and also was investigated for fraud. But I was not involved in that, he was double billing I heard... I wonder if the doctor who works opposite shifts of me feels like he dislikes PAs, gloats over the double salary he earns, or genuinely respects the fact that PAs care for many of the patients at the urgent care practice with no problems in past several years Ive been here at least? Shouldn't pay go up some more with time or is like 100-120k the max a PA will be earning? My brother does accounting after a masters degree and is earning around 250k after 10 years, but im still around 115K in medical work? So is that the max we deserve to make even with learning new skills, treating ALL the patients alone, and years of intense training with continuous learning for next decade? Am I just not negotiating hard enough?

You can't compare your pay to a different profession.

No one "deserves" anything. You get what you negotiate

 

[grapefruit17]

lets see...PA school requires 3 years and no residency. My profession required 4 years plus an additional 4 years of residency.

Please tell me again why you should be paid more money. Physicians have more liability, training, and usually more responsibility in general. If you don't like your pay apply for other jobs? Its not meant to be mean, but you applied to PA school willingly, you have access to google. You could of researched the differences.

 

[Big Bad Byron]

I do think it pays decent, probably quite fair for the time to invest to become one and the difficulty of the work. Sometimes I think I just wish I made a little more, and Im not really ready to work a lot of over time for it. Just saying I feel PAs should make higher salary for the type of work we do. Doctors prob should also, but I think there is a point say 350k a year is plenty don't really need more than that unless you live in highest Cost of living place in US

 

[grapefruit17]

I do think it pays decent, probably quite fair for the time to invest to become one and the difficulty of the work. Sometimes I think I just wish I made a little more, and Im not really ready to work a lot of over time for it. Just saying I feel PAs should make higher salary for the type of work we do. Doctors prob should also, but I think there is a point say 350k a year is plenty don't really need more than that unless you live in highest Cost of living place in US

you don't think neurosurgeons, cardiologists, etc should make over 350k? Think about that statement. Whens the last time you had to drill a bur hole into someones skull hoping that everything went well? A cap on pay doesn't make sense. Thats kind of like a socialist perspective "no matter how hard you work you can only max out at xx".

 

[username456789]

This thread is already cancer.

 

[Big Bad Byron]

I got to drill a burr hole as a pa student 10 years ago. The neurosurgeon set it up so of course couldn't hurt them. I didn't even get paid for it! lol I mean I think some PCP/Peds/IM doctors are underpaid and a lot of time they have to deal with more BS almost like social work especially in hospitals with all the homeless and drug addicts, the surgeons get paid a lot more to cut people, you get paid best if you cut people.

 

[backside_attack]

OP, how much debt did you leave school with? And what was the starting salary of your first job directly out of school?

 

[Big Bad Byron]

125k in debt, first job was 80k annually

 

[backside_attack]

125k in debt, first job was 80k annually

Yeah so we get paid a lot more but we come out with a lot more debt (I think average is $250k+) and make WAY less in residency. Like $55k/year in an average coastal city -- for 3-7 years, or more, depending on training.

 

[LutGholein]

I do think it pays decent, probably quite fair for the time to invest to become one and the difficulty of the work. Sometimes I think I just wish I made a little more, and Im not really ready to work a lot of over time for it. Just saying I feel PAs should make higher salary for the type of work we do. Doctors prob should also, but I think there is a point say 350k a year is plenty don't really need more than that unless you live in highest Cost of living place in US

I never understood the "cap" argument-- oh this other profession makes more than me?? We should cap it because people don't need that much money-- the fact of the matter is that ideologically the U.S is antithetical to that spirit. If you feel like you're getting ripped off you have the choice to negotiate or to go back and find a career that suits your monetary needs but to do the whole "crabs in a bucket" move of trying to drag other professions down by suggesting there should be caps because you don't make as much is the wrong move.

Physicians have more education(probably more debt) and more responsibility(liability) so it's a bad comparison.

PAs and NPs in the boonies can probably make the money you want-- but you gotta want to live there and it takes a specific person to want to relocate out there if they've lived their whole life in a different environment.

 

[bashwell]

I joined this forum yesterday after reading some of the threads and finding it interesting reading material as I have considered medical school myself. not sure if I will ever go, but am interested in maybe becoming a doctor, especially cardiology and emergency medicine. What surprised me the most after reading more reading here today is the level of animosity towards PAs and NPs. I have been working in and around NYC for almost a decade as a PA and rarely if ever encountered such hostile physicians towards mid level providers.
Anyways, I wanted to voice my opinion after reading all the hateful comments towards PAs here and that is we are underpaid and under respected for our work. The other day I saw 41 patients in a day in a primary care setting and brought home around $350 for the shift. One doctor I worked for used to go to the casino while I saw all his patients for $50 a hour or so. I figured I was paying for his blackjack habit as easily making him $300 a hour after paying me. he was such a degenerate gambler he ended up having to close his practice and also was investigated for fraud. But I was not involved in that, he was double billing I heard... I wonder if the doctor who works opposite shifts of me feels like he dislikes PAs, gloats over the double salary he earns, or genuinely respects the fact that PAs care for many of the patients at the urgent care practice with no problems in past several years Ive been here at least? Shouldn't pay go up some more with time or is like 100-120k the max a PA will be earning? My brother does accounting after a masters degree and is earning around 250k after 10 years, but im still around 115K in medical work? So is that the max we deserve to make even with learning new skills, treating ALL the patients alone, and years of intense training with continuous learning for next decade? Am I just not negotiating hard enough?

Maybe don't work for this kind of doctor? And don't use this kind of doctor as representative of the rest? I know plenty of doctors who treat their PAs fairly and pay them well.

 

[SterlingMaloryArcher]

I don't at all think this is troll. I also don't think this thread is "cancer."

Fields where credentialism is high (medicine) it's really what's on paper that matters. PA's have a lot of options, though.

 

[LutGholein]

I got to drill a burr hole as a pa student 10 years ago. The neurosurgeon set it up so of course couldn't hurt them. I didn't even get paid for it! lol

It's customary that the Neurosurgeon tip(15%) you for that-- you got ripped off man.

 

[Big Bad Byron]

I think that is part of the problem, the area around New York City is saturated with medical workers already, there are jobs, but enough competition for them not to pay very high. Even in ortho MD AMA thread I was just reading she said pay is considerably lower in big city areas. Ok so I just need to move to Montana, thanks guys

 

[bashwell]

I hope you're not one of those PAs who insists on being called a Physician Associate rather than a Physician Assistant? Or like many murses who demand to be called doctors and even introduce themselves as doctor after getting their DNP. Many CRNAs in anesthesia have this kind of attitude too. The problem is tons of people want the respect and privileges of being a doctor or physician without going through the challenges, difficulties, and responsibilities of being a doctor or physician.

 

[AlbinoHawk DO]

I joined this forum yesterday after reading some of the threads and finding it interesting reading material as I have considered medical school myself. not sure if I will ever go, but am interested in maybe becoming a doctor, especially cardiology and emergency medicine. What surprised me the most after reading more reading here today is the level of animosity towards PAs and NPs. I have been working in and around NYC for almost a decade as a PA and rarely if ever encountered such hostile physicians towards mid level providers.
Anyways, I wanted to voice my opinion after reading all the hateful comments towards PAs here and that is we are underpaid and under respected for our work. The other day I saw 41 patients in a day in a primary care setting and brought home around $350 for the shift. One doctor I worked for used to go to the casino while I saw all his patients for $50 a hour or so. I figured I was paying for his blackjack habit as easily making him $300 a hour after paying me. he was such a degenerate gambler he ended up having to close his practice and also was investigated for fraud. But I was not involved in that, he was double billing I heard... I wonder if the doctor who works opposite shifts of me feels like he dislikes PAs, gloats over the double salary he earns, or genuinely respects the fact that PAs care for many of the patients at the urgent care practice with no problems in past several years Ive been here at least? Shouldn't pay go up some more with time or is like 100-120k the max a PA will be earning? My brother does accounting after a masters degree and is earning around 250k after 10 years, but im still around 115K in medical work? So is that the max we deserve to make even with learning new skills, treating ALL the patients alone, and years of intense training with continuous learning for next decade? Am I just not negotiating hard enough?

Compared to most masters degrees: History, psychology, environmental science, etc. you earn way more than all of them. I think the only reasonable solution is that they cut your salary to 60k a year max. Does that sound good to you? Oh, it doesn't? But somehow you think you should be paid like a physician that invests minimum of 7 years of their life into this as opposed to your 2?

 

[justabanana]

Don't worry, you're not alone. Right now it's pretty much popular opinion (for folks younger than 30 anyway) that workload and compensation aren't even remotely correlated. Thank the certain execs, admin, politicians, and even some physicians who get paid ungodly amounts while actively taking value away from the rest of society. Thanks to people who make a lot of money with little personal sacrifice, there's a lot of people who don't believe that the sacrifices required to be a doctor are worth 5x average US income, or 3x what the PA is making. Knowing what I know about neurosurgery residency you'd probably have to pay me 50x average salary to do it. Still, most people who haven't ever done something as personally demanding as become a physician think they could do it no problem, so it's unfair that they make so much.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Sometimes I think I just wish I made a little more, and Im not really ready to work a lot of over time for it

Nice troll....

 

[Big Bad Byron]

I don't think my statement about 350k per year was unreasonable, its a lot of money for nearly anyone unless your used to making millions per year as a athlete or well known musician.........what could be lacking in your life on that salary? Just as a PA I have almost everything I could want, nice home, nice cars, vacations, etc... I only would like to make a little more so my wife wouldnt need to work, that would be the most rewarding to me.
Medscape says physician compensation is averaging 217k per year for primary care, 316k for specialties, and I said I think doctors should probably make a little more, but around 350k a year is usually plenty. Of course that wasn't what the thread was about, just felt that PAs are somewhat underpaid for the amount of work we do, def not respected here but in real life we are respected much more I feel, and not that highly paid in New York City area considering average home where I live is 500k + usually 12-15k a year in taxes. Im lucky, my wife works in finance, money is not a big issue for us, but sometimes when I see other PAs struggling, working 2 jobs, its like damn you work for a ortho surgeon, earning 500k a year, and he pays you 90k to handle a ton of stuff for him? Seems kind of selfish and greedy, but then look at his secretary he pays her 30k to handle all the appointments and calls, its all based on where your at as far as education, national averages, and supply/demand of service I suppose.

 

[Big Bad Byron]

what if all doctors got paid 350k annually regardless of specialty? Do you think much would change as far as which one most medical students would go into?

 

[GypsyHummus]

OP, it could be worse. You could go 300K+ in debt and 7 years of a time suck to get a Podiatry education and end up making 120k/year digging into people's ankles (80k take home).

Or even better, 4 years and 500K+ of student loans to be a dentist associate making 130k/year (90k take home)

PAs have it so good

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

I don't at all think this is troll. I also don't think this thread is "cancer."

.

You are incorrect on both counts

 

[Big Bad Byron]

Ughh I cant stand feet....had some guy with tinea pedis last week, he starts showing me if he picks the fungus it comes off.. um thanks for that demonstration, really nasty. I heard podiatry gets to perform a lot of cool procedures that are surgical too though which I didn't realize at first. And don't dentists make more than that? My impression of dentists in NY has been really negative so far though, last one I saw tried to get me to do all sorts of cleaning, deep cleaning procedures, etc for like 3 thousand dollars after regular exam and my teeth feel fine. I told him **** off bud

 

[FindMeOnTheLinks]

I don't think my statement about 350k per year was unreasonable, its a lot of money for nearly anyone unless your used to making millions per year as a athlete or well known musician.........what could be lacking in your life on that salary? Just as a PA I have almost everything I could want, nice home, nice cars, vacations, etc... I only would like to make a little more so my wife wouldnt need to work, that would be the most rewarding to me.
Medscape says physician compensation is averaging 217k per year for primary care, 316k for specialties, and I said I think doctors should probably make a little more, but around 350k a year is usually plenty. Of course that wasn't what the thread was about, just felt that PAs are somewhat underpaid for the amount of work we do, def not respected here but in real life we are respected much more I feel, and not that highly paid in New York City area considering average home where I live is 500k + usually 12-15k a year in taxes. Im lucky, my wife works in finance, money is not a big issue for us, but sometimes when I see other PAs struggling, working 2 jobs, its like damn you work for a ortho surgeon, earning 500k a year, and he pays you 90k to handle a ton of stuff for him? Seems kind of selfish and greedy, but then look at his secretary he pays her 30k to handle all the appointments and calls, its all based on where your at as far as education, national averages, and supply/demand of service I suppose.

The thing about the PA-Physician relationship is, the physician employs the PA. The physician invested the money, worked his/her ass off to get referrals and build the practice, assumes all of the liability, not to mention essentially trains the PA to work for him. so the physician has much more invested in the practice, and can decide what the PA should be paid as an employee. As a PA, you are free to seek a higher salary in another practice if you so choose.

 

[bannie22]

I came to this thread to agree with OP that PAs dont make enough.

Until I saw he was making upwards of 100k...

Nevermind, I was expecting him to be making 70k ish...

 

[deleted407021]

Eh, 6 years for PAs who have excellent flexibility and, as individuals, can make well above the median household income, versus physicians who go through at least 11 years of formal training to be locked into one specialty and typically are burdened with much greater debt. Seems reasonable to me

 

[Lexdiamondz]

PA's get paid twice as much as residents with half the education and skills and half the hours worked.

You get to make 100k as a 25 year old. Suck it up.

 

[masaraksh]

I don't think my statement about 350k per year was unreasonable, its a lot of money for nearly anyone unless your used to making millions per year as a athlete or well known musician.........what could be lacking in your life on that salary? Just as a PA I have almost everything I could want, nice home, nice cars, vacations, etc... I only would like to make a little more so my wife wouldnt need to work, that would be the most rewarding to me.
Medscape says physician compensation is averaging 217k per year for primary care, 316k for specialties, and I said I think doctors should probably make a little more, but around 350k a year is usually plenty. Of course that wasn't what the thread was about, just felt that PAs are somewhat underpaid for the amount of work we do, def not respected here but in real life we are respected much more I feel, and not that highly paid in New York City area considering average home where I live is 500k + usually 12-15k a year in taxes. Im lucky, my wife works in finance, money is not a big issue for us, but sometimes when I see other PAs struggling, working 2 jobs, its like damn you work for a ortho surgeon, earning 500k a year, and he pays you 90k to handle a ton of stuff for him? Seems kind of selfish and greedy, but then look at his secretary he pays her 30k to handle all the appointments and calls, its all based on where your at as far as education, national averages, and supply/demand of service I suppose.

Ortho deserves every dollar they make. That **** is hard work and the residency is brutal

 

[Big Bad Byron]

PA pay is decent i think we all agree, could it be a little better for what we do, yes, circumstances such as high cost of living, student loans, high cost hobbies make it seems like not enough sometimes, but its not a perfect world. Most of the doctors on here are not in my corner either that much is obvious, i dont really think the DO who owns my company of 20 clinics thought she made enough in primary care as a DO either, thats why she started a business. I guess its a free capitalistic country, you got to make money how you can. have a good day you guys, BBB

 

[Stagg737]

So is that the max we deserve to make even with learning new skills, treating ALL the patients alone, and years of intense training with continuous learning for next decade? Am I just not negotiating hard enough?

If you're treating all the patients all by yourself without supervision, something illegal is going on, and whoever is employing you should be worried about this being reported...

I don't think my statement about 350k per year was unreasonable, its a lot of money for nearly anyone unless your used to making millions per year as a athlete or well known musician.........what could be lacking in your life on that salary? Just as a PA I have almost everything I could want, nice home, nice cars, vacations, etc... I only would like to make a little more so my wife wouldnt need to work, that would be the most rewarding to me.
Medscape says physician compensation is averaging 217k per year for primary care, 316k for specialties, and I said I think doctors should probably make a little more, but around 350k a year is usually plenty. Of course that wasn't what the thread was about, just felt that PAs are somewhat underpaid for the amount of work we do, def not respected here but in real life we are respected much more I feel, and not that highly paid in New York City area considering average home where I live is 500k + usually 12-15k a year in taxes. Im lucky, my wife works in finance, money is not a big issue for us, but sometimes when I see other PAs struggling, working 2 jobs, its like damn you work for a ortho surgeon, earning 500k a year, and he pays you 90k to handle a ton of stuff for him? Seems kind of selfish and greedy, but then look at his secretary he pays her 30k to handle all the appointments and calls, its all based on where your at as far as education, national averages, and supply/demand of service I suppose.

There are a lot of things you're not taking into account. First is cost of education in terms of time and money. It's been addressed plenty, but assuming each goes straight through with no gaps, PAs can start work at 25 making 100k+ with less than 100k in debt. Physicians start residency at 26, with 200k+ in debt and earn around 40k/yr after taxes for their 3-6 years of residency. If you're primary care you then start work at around 29 making less than 200k/yr with 300k+ in debt after total interest accrues. If you specialize, you don't start get to make bank (300k starting, sometimes more, depends on the field) until you're 31-33. So as a PA you've got an extra 5-8 years of earning power over physicians. This is just expenses related to training.

Malpractice insurance can be massive. I've heard of neurosurgeons who pay 100k/year just in malpractice. So sure they're making 500k+ per year, but 20% of that income is going straight back into insurance. Then there are costs associated with running your own practice if you do that, CME events and travel, loan repayment which can be massive (I know quite a few med students who will be graduating with 400k+ in debt, and that's before interest). So by the time some docs have their debt payed off and start really saving up for retirement, they're 10 or 15 years behind. If they didn't make the big bucks they'd never get to retire. Idk how much exposure you have to the actual financial and administrative side of things, but it seems like you're missing a lot of pieces of the bigger picture as to why docs need/should be paid as much as they are.

what if all doctors got paid 350k annually regardless of specialty? Do you think much would change as far as which one most medical students would go into?

Of course! You think someone is going to do an extra 3 years of residency, then 2 more years of fellowship (so 5 more years of education and accruing interest on debt) when they could make the same going straight through residency and being a PCP? Specializing, they'd essentially be giving up $1.5 million in career earnings at the beginning end which could be invested and into a massive nest egg. Yes, some people would still specialize, but I know enough people that enjoy primary care enough that they'd choose the shorter route and take the money. Part of that opportunity cost already exists because of differences in lengths of training, but in the current system it's offset by differences in salary once residency is over. Plus, the training for a lot of the higher paid specialties is brutal. I wanted to enter one of those fields but changed my mind because I'd like to actually see my family more than 10 minutes a day during residency. It's part of why people say things "don't enter it unless you can't see yourself doing anything else" about certain fields (mostly surgical).

 

[deleted407021]

circumstances such as high cost of living, student loans, high cost hobbies make it seems like not enough sometimes

Living above your means is just being irresponsible and isn't really validation for anything you're arguing.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Ortho deserves every dollar they make. That **** is hard work and the residency is brutal

You must know different orthopedists than I do

 

[GypsyHummus]

I'm hard on podiatry, partially because I got into a pod school.

It's actually a really sweet gig if you can get past the whole "feet are gross" thing. They tend to make more than 120k now that they have almost exclusively became a surgical specialty.

One thing podiatry did very right is retain and fight for surgical privlages. Helps stave off midlevel encroachment (no offense).

Dentists are having it pretty rough right now. With so much student loan debt, a majority have no choice but to work as associates because they can't own their own practice. Although insurance is only a minor hassle with them as opposed to the medical field where it's a pain in everyone's collective booty

Ughh I cant stand feet....had some guy with tinea pedis last week, he starts showing me if he picks the fungus it comes off.. um thanks for that demonstration, really nasty. I heard podiatry gets to perform a lot of cool procedures that are surgical too though which I didn't realize at first. And don't dentists make more than that? My impression of dentists in NY has been really negative so far though, last one I saw tried to get me to do all sorts of cleaning, deep cleaning procedures, etc for like 3 thousand dollars after regular exam and my teeth feel fine. I told him **** off bud

 

[jcorpsmanMD]

I don't think my statement about 350k per year was unreasonable, its a lot of money for nearly anyone unless your used to making millions per year as a athlete or well known musician.........what could be lacking in your life on that salary? Just as a PA I have almost everything I could want, nice home, nice cars, vacations, etc... I only would like to make a little more so my wife wouldnt need to work, that would be the most rewarding to me.
Medscape says physician compensation is averaging 217k per year for primary care, 316k for specialties, and I said I think doctors should probably make a little more, but around 350k a year is usually plenty. Of course that wasn't what the thread was about, just felt that PAs are somewhat underpaid for the amount of work we do, def not respected here but in real life we are respected much more I feel, and not that highly paid in New York City area considering average home where I live is 500k + usually 12-15k a year in taxes. Im lucky, my wife works in finance, money is not a big issue for us, but sometimes when I see other PAs struggling, working 2 jobs, its like damn you work for a ortho surgeon, earning 500k a year, and he pays you 90k to handle a ton of stuff for him? Seems kind of selfish and greedy, but then look at his secretary he pays her 30k to handle all the appointments and calls, its all based on where your at as far as education, national averages, and supply/demand of service I suppose.

@OrthoTraumaMD is an ortho surgeon and she sure as hell earns her money. quit hatin

 

[Winged Scapula]

I got to drill a burr hole as a pa student 10 years ago. The neurosurgeon set it up so of course couldn't hurt them. I didn't even get paid for it! lol I mean I think some PCP/Peds/IM doctors are underpaid and a lot of time they have to deal with more BS almost like social work especially in hospitals with all the homeless and drug addicts, the surgeons get paid a lot more to cut people, you get paid best if you cut people.

Your grammatical style is very childish and unprofessional which makes me doubt your story.

Are you sure you aren't a high school student posing as an educated adult?

 

[Big Bad Byron]

I know I read her thread, I don't hate her or her money

 

[Mad Jack]

I do think it pays decent, probably quite fair for the time to invest to become one and the difficulty of the work. Sometimes I think I just wish I made a little more, and Im not really ready to work a lot of over time for it. Just saying I feel PAs should make higher salary for the type of work we do. Doctors prob should also, but I think there is a point say 350k a year is plenty don't really need more than that unless you live in highest Cost of living place in US

Most doctors work 50-65 hours a week. Overtime is the default in medicine.

Get a job in EM or derm if you want decent pay for the same hours, the average pay in those fields topped 125k for PAs last year. And if you do a job in, say, EM while putting in doctor's hours, you could easily surpass 160-170k. A poster on here that is a PA in EM once negotiated for 200k/year in a critical access hospital. It's all about what you can negotiate.

 

[grapefruit17]

Interesting that the op says doctors are greedy basically, then says he deserves more money.

Slightly ironic. You meant you aren't doing this job for the warm feeling of accomplishment?

I actually have to agree, based on responses I question if this person is a pa or random sdn user

 

[Dr. Rafiki]

I'd expect this attitude from an NP....

 

[DrfluffyMD]

OP, you are getting a fair pay (probably a bit higher than average), many docs are not getting a fair pay in NYC (I personally heard about an attending 90k nephrology job at Sloan).

I don't see anything else to debate or discuss about. If you are unhappy that you aren't the breadwinner as a man and have your manhood threatened, feel free to go back to med school.

 

[GypsyHummus]

I think OP is getting a lot of unnecessary hate.

Doctors do make a lot of money, as someone making less than 20k/year working 60 hours/week a salary around the 150k mark seems unfathamable at this current time, but what like mad jack said, 50-60 hours is the DEFAULT for doctors. And doctor work is HARD WORK. who want to cut into someone's soft tissue and remove a growth for 15$/hour?

If you wanna work 35 hours/week, go to dental school or have good enough grades to get into Derm.

 

[DrfluffyMD]

I think OP is getting a lot of unnecessary hate.

Doctors do make a lot of money, as someone making less than 20k/year working 60 hours/week a salary around the 150k mark seems unfathamable at this current time, but what like mad jack said, 50-60 hours is the DEFAULT for doctors. And doctor work is HARD WORK. who want to cut into someone's soft tissue and remove a growth for 15$/hour?

If you wanna work 35 hours/week, go to dental school or have good enough grades to get into Derm.

Unnecessary hate? OP is overpaid and many physicians are underpaid at his location of NYC. His poisonous attitude needs to be fixed.

 

[AirplaneFruit]

Over 100k for a follower/grunt/underling is pretty ridiculous. OP should be making like 70k. It's not just that MD/DO's have way more training they are also just better. You don't pay Kyle Singler anywhere near Steph Curry. Singler couldn't be a star. It doesn't even matter if he has more experience.


If OP couldn't make the cut into MD/DO why is he whining about how much they get paid?

 

[Postictal Raiden]

People fail to realize that the level of pay is not associated with how hard and how many hours you work. It is not associated with supply/demand either. It's mainly associated with the ability to give an expert opinion on very critical matters. It's the ability to think outside the box and troubleshoot when necessary.

For that reason, lawyers get paid more than the paralegals who do most of their work, generals get paid more than soldiers who put their life on the line, etc...

Doctors should are and should be on the top of the pyramid of healthcare providers. When everything else fails, they are equipped with the necessary knowledge and training to take control.

 

[GypsyHummus]

It does baffle me that some PAs are making 100k+. Pharmacists making 120k I get, they go to school for 8 years after high school, 6 with special programs. PAs only have to do 6 years, the final two being just MASTERS level work.

Over 100k for a follower/grunt/underling is pretty ridiculous. OP should be making like 70k. It's not just that MD/DO's have way more training they are also just better. You don't pay Kyle Singler anywhere near Steph Curry. Singler couldn't be a star. It doesn't even matter if he has more experience.


If OP couldn't make the cut into MD/DO why is he whining about how much they get paid?

 

[Big Bad Byron]

I never applied for a md program or do program who said I didn't make the cut? i thought I explained it pretty well I feel the pay is a little low near NYC given everything here costs and is a fortune and there are tons of patients, a lot of them don't speak English or have non compliance issues, I only got what i make now after 8 years and switching jobs. My last job the hospital took our vacation time away after I signed a contract saying we got 4 weeks when I ask to go they said no. I quit those cheap bitches and they didn't find new pa for 8 months dumb mfers lol

 

[DrfluffyMD]

I never applied for a md program or do program who said I didn't make the cut? i thought I explained it pretty well I feel the pay is a little low near NYC given everything here costs and is a fortune and there are tons of patients, a lot of them don't speak English or have non compliance issues, I only got what i make now after 8 years and switching jobs. My last job the hospital took our vacation time away after I signed a contract saying we got 4 weeks when I ask to go they said no. I quit those cheap bitches and they didn't find new pa for 8 months dumb mfers lol

So let me say this again. No physician make a lot of money in the NYC area and mid levels tend to be overpaid there. You don't need to work overtime. You are being overpaid with your salary compared to the level of education you are getting.

Coupled with the whole comment about "wish I can make more so my wife can stop working" and about how she is in finance.

Spoiler alert: people in finance make more money than most physicians.

Have you talked to your spouse about whether SHE wants to stop working or not? Or this is all a 1950's fantasy for you?

 

[GypsyHummus]

Or this is all a 1950's fantasy for you?

I just got waves of Fallout 3 flashbacks.