Payback timeline including specialty residencies

[DentistDMD]

4 yr dental school + 1 or 2 yr AEGD (neutral years?) + 4 yr payback + 4 yr Army/AF/Navy OMFS residencies = payback completed? I am also aware that there is an inactive reserve period of about 4 years. Correct?

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[tingting]

4 yr dental school + 1 or 2 yr AEGD (neutral years?) + 4 yr payback + 4 yr Army/AF/Navy OMFS residencies = payback completed? I am also aware that there is an inactive reserve period of about 4 years. Correct?

You really think the military is gonna put you through residency just so you can leave when you finish? lol. Add another 4 years for OMFS payback.

 

[DentistDMD]

Add another 4 years for OMFS payback.

Can a current military OMFS resident or HPSP scholar confirm this?

 

[NAVY DDS 2010]

4 yr dental school + 1 or 2 yr AEGD (neutral years?) + 4 yr payback + 4 yr Army/AF/Navy OMFS residencies = payback completed? I am also aware that there is an inactive reserve period of about 4 years. Correct?

If you go in the exact order you have listed, you still have 4 more years to pay back to the military because you already paid the military for the HPSP just after the AEGD then you did the OMFS residency which itself incurs a 4 yr payback. So, by going in this order, you incur 4 more years of service than if you get into a OMFS residency right out of d-school or 1 yr. AEGD residency.

If you chose to go the 2 yr AEDG, then you couldn't apply to an OMFS residency for 5 yrs after completion of the 2 yr AEGD residency.

 

[DentistDMD]

If you go in the exact order you have listed

Are you suggesting there are other ways one could go about completing military OMFS residency and subsequent payback? Doing residency first and then paying back for HPSP, for example? How would that affect the total payback time? Thanks in advance for the info.

So in the first case, it would be 4 yr Dschool, 1 yr AEGD, 4 yr payback (HPSP), 4 yr OMFS residency, 4 yr payback (OMFS), 4 yr inactive reserve?

 

[NAVY DDS 2010]

Are you suggesting there are other ways one could go about completing military OMFS residency and subsequent payback? Doing residency first and then paying back for HPSP, for example? How would that affect the total payback time? Thanks in advance for the info.

So in the first case, it would be 4 yr Dschool, 1 yr AEGD, 4 yr payback (HPSP), 4 yr OMFS residency, 4 yr payback (OMFS), 4 yr inactive reserve?

It is possible to get into an OMFS residency right out of d-school or a 1 yr AEGD. I know people who have done it. So, if your application for the OMFS residency is competative enough to get selected right out of d-school, it would look like this:

4 yr d-school (HPSP) + 4yr OMFS + 4 yr concurrent payback (HPSP and OMFS). Because you did 4 yrs active in the OMFS residency and 4 yrs active payback, then you DO NOT need any time in inactive reserves because you will have done 8 yrs active duty at that point. The only time you would have to spend 4 yrs in the inactive reserves is if you did the HPSP and went active duty for the 4 yr payback and nothing else. If you did a 1 yr AEGD, then you'd owe only 3 yrs inactive.

Basically, in the end, if you did the OMFS res right after d-school, you'd do only 8 yrs active. Right after the AEGD/GPR, you'd have done 9 yrs active. If you did the OMFS res after you paid back the HPSP with AEGD, then you would have done 15 yrs active. If you did 15 yrs active, it would be stupid to not just do the final 5 yrs and retire. Either way, you would not have to do IRR if you did an OMFS res.

 

[DentistDMD]

I see. Thanks a lot for clarification.

 

[krmower]

I see. Thanks a lot for clarification.

If you do a 4 yr HPSP and get accepted right out of school for OMFS you will owe a minimum of 8 yrs. In the Army however you usually have to "snow bird" work for a year as a general dentist waiting for your program to start since you were accepted with a start date of 18 months later when you applied. So 9 yrs payback.

HPSP and any specialty training payback is simultaneous while the time in residency is neutral. so 1 yr snowbird + 4 yr residency neutral + 4 yrs OMFS payback while simultaneously knocking out the 3 yr HPSP payback (remember the first year was 1 yr payback for HPSP) = 9 yrs total.

 

[agent2362]

If you do a 4 yr HPSP and get accepted right out of school for OMFS you will owe a minimum of 8 yrs. In the Army however you usually have to "snow bird" work for a year as a general dentist waiting for your program to start since you were accepted with a start date of 18 months later when you applied. So 9 yrs payback.

HPSP and any specialty training payback is simultaneous while the time in residency is neutral. so 1 yr snowbird + 4 yr residency neutral + 4 yrs OMFS payback while simultaneously knocking out the 3 yr HPSP payback (remember the first year was 1 yr payback for HPSP) = 9 yrs total.

Isn't this dependent on whether you took the 20K bonus or not? As I understood it from ARMYJAWBREAKER (who is an active duty oral surgeon right now), a 4 year HPSP contract with 20K cannot be payed back concurrently with a residency payback. Only a 2-4 year HPSP contract without the 20K can be payed back simultaneously.

 

[chompsss]

@krmower and @NAVY DDS 2010 do you guys know if the 2-year Navy Comp Dentistry Residency is a neutral residency or not? In other words, could one do this:

4 years dental school (on HPSP or HSCP)
2 years Comp Dentistry
4 years HPSP payback (simultaneously paying back 2 years Comp Dentisty)

? Also, if one does a Comp Dentistry residency, does one qualify for a pay bump? I know there are some sort of DOMRBs available for specialists, but I can't seem to find good, detailed information on them, and I also don't know if the 2 year Comp Dentistry residency qualifies one for additional pay immediately upon completing it or if they only qualify for additional pay (through bonuses) by extending past the originally owed 4-year HPSP/HSCP payback. Do either of you, or does anybody else for that matter, know?

 

[vellnueve]

krmower is Army and this thread is 4 years old.

You do not receive additional pay until your educational service obligations are complete and you become eligible for the DOMRB. Currently the Comprehensive Dentistry DOMRB is 50K/yr for a 4 year contract, less for a 2 or 3 year contract. As I noted in the other thread you started, the special pays for specialists will be changing shortly and by the time you finish school all new specialists will be taking the new plan, which is slightly more for a brand new officer just coming on active duty.

Residencies performed at a Navy or other federal institution are paid back concurrently with any preexisting educational service obligation. If selected for outservice residency (only available as the needs of the Navy warrant), the payback is cumulative with any remaining educational obligation.

In your scenario, if you were to be accepted to Comp to begin immediately upon entering active duty you would finish your residency and pay back 4 years. If you were to be accepted to OMFS for an outservice residency, you would owe 4 years for OMFS plus 4 years for the original HPSP/HSCP obligation, for a total of 12 years (including the OMFS residency itself). Endo and Orthodontics both incur 1.5 years per year of training for a total of 3 years of payback.

 

[drill-and-fill]

krmower is Army and this thread is 4 years old.

You do not receive additional pay until your educational service obligations are complete and you become eligible for the DOMRB. Currently the Comprehensive Dentistry DOMRB is 50K/yr for a 4 year contract, less for a 2 or 3 year contract. As I noted in the other thread you started, the special pays for specialists will be changing shortly and by the time you finish school all new specialists will be taking the new plan, which is slightly more for a brand new officer just coming on active duty.

Residencies performed at a Navy or other federal institution are paid back concurrently with any preexisting educational service obligation. If selected for outservice residency (only available as the needs of the Navy warrant), the payback is cumulative with any remaining educational obligation.

In your scenario, if you were to be accepted to Comp to begin immediately upon entering active duty you would finish your residency and pay back 4 years. If you were to be accepted to OMFS for an outservice residency, you would owe 4 years for OMFS plus 4 years for the original HPSP/HSCP obligation, for a total of 12 years (including the OMFS residency itself). Endo and Orthodontics both incur 1.5 years per year of training for a total of 3 years of payback.

Hi Vell, could you explain a bit more about the new special pay plan that's coming soon?

 

[vellnueve]

The BUMED guidance has not come out yet so until it does the exact details are not clear. DOD puts out guidance but the services implement differently