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does anyone know where I can get a list of PBL schools?
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Anastasis said:http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=297277&highlight=PBL
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=239906&highlight=PBL
Hope those help...
I know UTMB uses PBL. Do a search and you'll find a bunch of information.
The Engineer said:does anyone know where I can get a list of PBL schools?
thanks
I'm not really sure what I think. I'm a bit apprehensive about going to a PBL school since I'm very used to the standard lecture format. I guess if I end up being accepted to one or have to choose, I'll try and decide what's best. Maybe something to ask at interviews - how do students like the PBL curriculum? Either way I'm sure you're right - I'll be thinking "Man, if I was just going to that PBL/non-PBL school, I'd have it so much better!"Law2Doc said:The funny thing about this question is that less than half the time the person wants a PBL school and the other majority of the time they are trying to avoid it. PBL was created due to complaints of med students having to take two years of science seemingly wholly unconnected to medicine. These days people on SDN seemingly try to avoid it like the plague. I guess the grass is always greener.
bretticus said:I'm not really sure what I think. I'm a bit apprehensive about going to a PBL school since I'm very used to the standard lecture format. I guess if I end up being accepted to one or have to choose, I'll try and decide what's best. Maybe something to ask at interviews - how do students like the PBL curriculum? Either way I'm sure you're right - I'll be thinking "Man, if I was just going to that PBL/non-PBL school, I'd have it so much better!"
taylormade44 said:Has anyone had a problem based learning class in undergrad before?
I've had two, both were complete, complete disasters
Oculus Sinistra said:Could you elaborate?
taylormade44 said:I took biochemistry I and II, both were offered as problem based learning....what you would do is come in monday, wednesday, and friday and do these bizarre ass word problems that never taught you anything
the teacher would not lecture a single bit (because it was PBL) so everything learned had to be read at home in the textbook
exams were take home....they took about an entire week to do, and no matter what you answered and how thoroughly, you always got some points off...you could write enough it was so frustrating
the questions got frustrating as hell, and by the time the end of the semester came around i couldnt even force myself to do anymore problems
i never understood what the point of pbl was, the only time you learn is when you read the material at home, wouldnt it be a better reinforcement to have someone lecture you (about the stuff you've read so you've heard it twice) and then you can do additional problems outside of lecture too?
PBL seemed extremely convenient for one person though, the teacher...no lectures to prepare
anndd edit: i didnt learn a damn thing in either of those two classes, it was ashame because the material was interesting, but sometimes we'd have so many problems that we wouldnt have time to read
Oculus Sinistra said:Very interesting. Thank you.
I've always thought that PBL was the way to go.. learn the material and then apply it... but I thought it was lecture, say, MWF, then PBL on Tuesdays and Thursdays...
Northwestern seems to have a pretty interesting system...
taylormade44 said:I guess it should be noted that our biochem text book was voet and voet, 3rd edition...for anyone who has had that, its the worst book ever
90 page chapter on protein folding...yuccckkk
it doesnt even have 20 pages worth of information, the authors just sucked
taylormade44 said:I guess it should be noted that our biochem text book was voet and voet, 3rd edition...for anyone who has had that, its the worst book ever
90 page chapter on protein folding...yuccckkk
it doesnt even have 20 pages worth of information, the authors just sucked
chula505 said:haha...voet was one of my biochem professors. we had to use her book AND be taught by her. now that's bad
Dancing Doctor said:I disliked our book as well: Lehninger Principles of Biochemistry. Long chapters that were wordy complimented by confusing figures.
taylormade44 said:I think a mix of PBL and lectures is the way to go...if there was a 3+1 or 3+2 program like that I would probably go for it
taylormade44 said:Has anyone had a problem based learning class in undergrad before?
I've had two, both were complete, complete disasters
Most engr majors are like that aren't they? My best friend was a MechE and she had this intro EE class she had to take and build a radio. I remember they spend like 4 weeks trying to get the stupid thing to work.jota_jota said:Engineering, especially upper-division/graduate level is pretty much all PBL, best exemplified by the "Build a Computer from scratch" course that most of us EEs have/had to take at one point or another.
My school uses a combination of PBL, seminars, problem-solving sessions, case-based studies, journal clubs, and independent study. We don't have any lectures. If you don't want PBL, definitely don't apply here! I agree with the poster from Cornell who said that PBL is harder at the time because you have to figure out for yourself what you need to know. But I think it teaches you to be a better learner in the long run, because in the real world, people aren't going to hand you a packet that contains all the things you have to learn for the test in two weeks.The Engineer said:does anyone know where I can get a list of PBL schools?
thanks
hoberto said:My undergrad and grad were engineering, too, and PBL is definitely the way I learn. I was never motivated to do anything outside of class after sitting through so much lecture time.
Anyway, PBL depends a lot on how it is run. If the faculty are helping you go in the right direction and ensuring that the group isn't going too in-depth or not in-depth enough or covering complete extraneous information then it is a well-run program. If it is a free-for-all with very little faculty or student interaction and very little or no guidance then you should question the merits of that program. Some schools tout that their PBL students have higher board averages than traditional didactic students. I haven't seen any studies to support this, though.
OUCOM offers both PBL and lecture-based. The PBL track is a competitive program based on past experience with PBL and a couple of essays.