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Hi, I have a friend applying for PCOM, and she wishes to know something about the PCOM clinicals.
1) When and how does the rotation site is determined?
2) Quality of the rotation sites, such as a review of various hospitals that most PCOM students do in their 3rd year.
3) Do you have to do OMM rotation?
4) how flexible is the fourth year?

Thanks
 
StriveToBeDr said:
Hi, I have a friend applying for PCOM, and she wishes to know something about the PCOM clinicals.
1) When and how does the rotation site is determined?
2) Quality of the rotation sites, such as a review of various hospitals that most PCOM students do in their 3rd year.
3) Do you have to do OMM rotation?
4) how flexible is the fourth year?

Thanks
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Everyone is divided into one of 12 rotation groups which just means the order of rotations (pedsfirst then ob etc). Then the group comes up with a way to divide the rotation sites that are available rough 30-40 sites per specialty for a group of 20-25 students

I have been happy with all the rotations. The school is xconstantly evaluating them and changing them as needed. Surgery is probably are strongest rotations. Are weakest our peds and obgyn. Peds is only weak if you stay around philly (two large childrens hospitals take all the inpatients and we are not affiliated with them). I went to allentown and had a great experience. We still have tons of people into peds. You also get access to past years evals to see what your in for.

Omm is a week of in house then an OMM/Family med rotations that just requires you to do it with a DO and most just find someone who is an FP.

Fourth years order depends on your rotaiton group. we have five required months and the rest our electives. We have a good amount of electives and selectives in third year unlike alot of schools so no one really has issues.
 
Thanks, John.
I am wondering if any hospitals are 'allopathic hospitals' that PCOM can rotate in third year?
 
Thanks again🙂
A few more questions.
1) Can you choose which hospital to rotate or you are assigned?
2) I realize there are quite a few hospitals for PCOM sites, is there anyway to have a feedback for at least some hospitals?

thank you:xf:
 
StriveToBeDr said:
Thanks again🙂
A few more questions.
1) Can you choose which hospital to rotate or you are assigned?
2) I realize there are quite a few hospitals for PCOM sites, is there anyway to have a feedback for at least some hospitals?

thank you:xf:
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You have a lottery within your group and you rank your own favorite locations. Most of the sites are ranked by students from years prior and a sheet goes around with these rankings so you have some idea. Although most of them get between a 3-4 out of 5.
 
Animus said:
You have a lottery within your group and you rank your own favorite locations. Most of the sites are ranked by students from years prior and a sheet goes around with these rankings so you have some idea. Although most of them get between a 3-4 out of 5.
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you dont always have a lottery in your group. Each group can do it differently. Some just meet and talk it out for a couple of hours.
 
While on the topic - are there required locations for any of the rotations? I remember hearing something about Laporte for rural med?
 
Bacchus said:
While on the topic - are there required locations for any of the rotations? I remember hearing something about Laporte for rural med?
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a few senior year rotations have must fill sites 6 people need to go to laporte. this only applies to sub I, urban and rural. there are always spots at non must fill. Also people usually voluntarily take these spots
 
I know that there are a lot of good sites for 3rd year rotation; some of them are the sites of allopathic schools.
But since PCOM class size is so big, I am wondering how many can actually get to those sites, probably not many. Then the question is how is the overall 'population' that are not in those good sites?
 
StriveToBeDr said:
I know that there are a lot of good sites for 3rd year rotation; some of them are the sites of allopathic schools.
But since PCOM class size is so big, I am wondering how many can actually get to those sites, probably not many. Then the question is how is the overall 'population' that are not in those good sites?
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For any one rotation there are at most 25 people doing that rotation and usually many more spots then people so it works out. The populations are diverse from inner city to suburban to rural. You will see every type of person and a great deal of pathology
 
JonnyG said:
Omm is a week of in house then an OMM/Family med rotations that just requires you to do it with a DO and most just find someone who is an FP.
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Jon they changed this just recently. Now its one week at school, and one week at St Agnes in south philly. So you get two weeks OMM Selective.
 
surrender903 said:
Jon they changed this just recently. Now its one week at school, and one week at St Agnes in south philly. So you get two weeks OMM Selective.
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yeh i saw that. A week of palative care........ should be insightful and actually its something like St. Ignacio's hospice center or some junk. Either way this highlights something that they don't just let clinicals go stale. They are always evaluating the program and the sites.

Laporte is an excellent site. Its in the boonies but you are it and you learn to do amazing things you would never get to do anywhere else. I passed on it though just because i couldnt be that far away that month
 
Bacchus said:
So I'm guessing if given the chance, reunite with nature? Its even more rural than where I'm from and that's hard to beat.
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I LOVED my month there. Dr David Wood is on of the best attendings to work with. MY crew was 6 girls and my wife. I was away from my week for 3 weeks so they take care of me as well as taking care of each other.

There are plenty who will not like. If you want more information just let me know.
 
Hi, I realized DO2011 spring terms ends on May 22 and the clinical starts in June 9th?
How can that be possible to have enough time to prepare for the board?

Thanks
 
StriveToBeDr said:
Hi, I realized DO2011 spring terms ends on May 22 and the clinical starts in June 9th?
How can that be possible to have enough time to prepare for the board?

Thanks
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ONe second years end alot earlier then first years. Usually the first week in may. Second the third trimester is pretty cake. YOu have plenty of time to study for your boards. Considering one of your finals is a comprehensive omm final, you can even study for boards and your class at the same time.
 
So what is the amount of 'uninterrupted' time you can have?
Some school has a month for vocation during the third year, which can be used to study for board at the beginning. I am not sure if PCOM has that.
 
Taus said:
classes 3rd trimester are easy, not time-consuming, not that many hours a day, some are pass/fail (ie Derm) and above all.....only a few are mandatory
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how quickly we block things out, Derm was second trimester my friend. ENT was the joke class that was pass fail.
 
While we're on the subject,
Is 3rd year the nightmare it's described as on other clinical rotation threads? Is there variability among schools in Philadelphia in this respect?
Just curious. Cheers.
 
lovepark said:
While we're on the subject,
Is 3rd year the nightmare it's described as on other clinical rotation threads? Is there variability among schools in Philadelphia in this respect?
Just curious. Cheers.
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yes. In addition to losing 40 lbs, my cats died and my wife left me.

Seriously, hit me up with an IM if you wanna talk about 3rd year.
 
surrender903 said:
yes. In addition to losing 40 lbs, my cats died and my wife left me.

Seriously, hit me up with an IM if you wanna talk about 3rd year.
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Yeah, it was a dumb question in retrospect, but yeah, I'll reach out to ya when I'm on a CPU that's got the IM and we'll discuss. I was on campus yesterday to check out Dr. Zhang's presentation on his labwork using resveratrol, got my ID and stuff. yay.
 
lovepark said:
While we're on the subject,
Is 3rd year the nightmare it's described as on other clinical rotation threads? Is there variability among schools in Philadelphia in this respect?
Just curious. Cheers.
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Your rotations are what you make of them. Some places are harder than others, that is true, but that's always the way. Obviously this site, and most reviews, are biased since the squeaky oil gets the grease (i.e. people most likely to comment had a bad time). I think that for the most part all of the rotation sites have their positive and negative aspects. For instance, a place where a student complains about constant on calls where he/she doesn't sleep has a ton to do, or they are very slow in doing their work and a student who gets off every day at 3 PM may not be getting any experience in anything or may just work quickly and get everything done in a short amount of time. Some students feel that general "pimping" is "picking on them" while others will say their attending ignores them because he/she never asks questions of them. It's hard to know how you will feel until you get there; every person's perception and thought process is a little different.
 
StriveToBeDr said:
So what is the amount of 'uninterrupted' time you can have?
Some school has a month for vocation during the third year, which can be used to study for board at the beginning. I am not sure if PCOM has that.
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We have a month of vacation in the 4th year, which may be moved if you are in a J group starting out with an elective or selective. However, you have to remember that you will then not be allowed to take any extra time off again until graduation.... You'll still get the time at Christmas each year as well as 2 weeks before OMS IV begins. But in the fall and spring when people are celebrating the end of the year, you'll be doing electives or selectives with your senioritis.

I had more than enough time because I made a schedule and stuck to it. The truth is you have been studying for 2 years to take the exam, and if you haven't retained enough to pass the COMLEX then you're probably going to have a really tough time on rotations in general. Besides, what is it you can learn in another two weeks of studying? My advice: set a date and DON'T move it. The people in my class who moved theirs (in general) regretted it in the end because they had no time off before rotations started...
 
StriveToBeDr said:
I know that there are a lot of good sites for 3rd year rotation; some of them are the sites of allopathic schools.
But since PCOM class size is so big, I am wondering how many can actually get to those sites, probably not many. Then the question is how is the overall 'population' that are not in those good sites?
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Most of my "good" sites were Osteopathic or Dual accredited. THey weren't the allopathic sites....
 
Dancing Doctor said:
Your rotations are what you make of them. Some places are harder than others, that is true, but that's always the way. Obviously this site, and most reviews, are biased since the squeaky oil gets the grease (i.e. people most likely to comment had a bad time). I think that for the most part all of the rotation sites have their positive and negative aspects. For instance, a place where a student complains about constant on calls where he/she doesn't sleep has a ton to do, or they are very slow in doing their work and a student who gets off every day at 3 PM may not be getting any experience in anything or may just work quickly and get everything done in a short amount of time. Some students feel that general "pimping" is "picking on them" while others will say their attending ignores them because he/she never asks questions of them. It's hard to know how you will feel until you get there; every person's perception and thought process is a little different.
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Nice call, thanks. And your condo sounds sweet.
 
BUMP.

Any updates in 2012? How are electives set up/do students ever rotate out of state if they want to do audition rotations at possible OOS residencies?
 
DrPrincipessa said:
BUMP.

Any updates in 2012? How are electives set up/do students ever rotate out of state if they want to do audition rotations at possible OOS residencies?
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Yep you can rotate for electives anywhere. Even some core rotations can be done out of state in hospitals in our network in places such as NJ and MD. You set up electives completely on your own.
 
Does anyone have a site of core sites that PCOM students rotate through, or at least some very common ones?

For third year, are they all in PA, or can some be done in NY?

Thanks.
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