Physical Therapists hate MD's

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This is a direct quote from a PT web page (www.rehabedge.com) where there are a lot of PT's who believe their times of living under the "tyranny" of medicine is over.
They have alot of choice words for MDs and PHysiatrists in general.
Take a look and tell them what you have to say.




"This is inspired by the current DC crossing the line thread. I thought a questionnaire would be interesting. Please answer with your profession and where you practice. Please forgive my bias towards orthopaedics. Try to post under another name if you wish to be anonymous. You could also email the answers to me(or someone you trust) and I'll post them anonymously. Feel free to only answer the questions you want to.
1)Do you think PTs should have direct access?

2)Do you think that PTs can diagnose?

3)Do you think that PTs need more training before having direct access?

4)Do you think that doctors should be able to write PT scripts (dictate treatment)?

5)Do you think the knowledge and expertise in physiotherapy justifies a DPT (along the lines of chiro, dpharm, od, not a medical degree)?

6)Are you for or against the move to a DPT and is this a strong or weak opinion?

7)Do you think that increased imaging and pharmacology is needed for a DPT?

8)Do you think that the knowledge and expertise in physiotherapy justifies a medical doctorate?

9)Do you think that the current move to a DPT is ill timed?

10)Do you believe that current DPT programs are adequate?

11)Do you think that PTs would benefit from the ability to order imaging studies?

12)Do you think that patients would benefit if PTs could order imaging studies?

13)Do you think that health care would benefit if PTs could order imaging studies?

14)Do you think that PTs would benefit from limited prescription rights?

15)Do you think that patients would benefit from PTs having limited prescription rights?

16)Do you think that health care would benefit from PTs having limited prescription rights?

17)Do you think that a PT is more knowledgeable than a physiatrist in a) rehabilitation and b) non-surgical orthopaedic assessment and diagnosis?

18)Do you think that a PT is more knowledgeable than an orthopod in a) rehabilitation and b) non-surgical orthopaedic assessment and diagnosis?

19)Do yo believe that the initials behind your name or others mean something?

20) Who is more deserving of the title doctor of rehabilitation: physiatrist or dpt

[This message has been edited by Bournephysio (edited May 12, 2003).]
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I don't think that the allied health fields (NP's, RN's, PT's, PA's) are at odds with doctors (MD's, DO's, DVM's, DMD's). Medicine, in general, is a field of cooperation, and mutual respect. PT's know when to turn over severe injuries than orthopods...just like optometrists must occasionally refer patients over to ophthmalogists, etc. Each of the allied health fields have a niche in medicine...the limits on their scope of training are fairly well-defined.
 
PT's don't hate MDs. 🙄 My brother in law is a PT and he loves that I'm in med school. We have a lot more to talk about now and he thoroughly enjoyed a tour of my campus and seeing what I do all the time. So please don't make generalizations.
 
Originally posted by carrigallen
I don't think that the allied health fields (NP's, DO's, PT's, PA's) are at odds with doctors (MD's, DVM's, DMD's).

DO's aren't allied health professionals. We're fully trained physicians and surgeons. At least that's what they told me last night during a trauma code when I was sticking a chest tube in a patient...
 
Hey Carrigallen,

Get your head out of your dentate line! DO's are not allied health providers. And as much as I would like to say they are not, DPM's aren't either. If you want to get technical, DDS and DMD's are closer to being allied health providers because they focus on one portion of the body without getting an entire medical license. Where the hec did you get that stupid idea about DO's? You must be a rookie for sure.
 
I am a PT dude!!! I want people to go to the sight and read this type of propaganda this group is spreading!!!

Go to the open forum sight and read the first couple of topics!!

www.rehabedge.com


Hell, I wanted to defend most of the PT's until they simply went nuts...

Here is an example...
"I would love to have you sit with me and a couple of general practitioners and a emerg specialist (MD-friends) when we look at x-rays, MRIs and CTscans - there's ONE who can actually read them as well as I do: - I need to study a lot more to even come close to what the radiologists can see. However, for my scope of practice, I have more than adequate training. Do not forget that any imaging still gets read by radiologists - no matter who orders. "
 
Originally posted by drusso
DO's aren't allied health professionals. We're fully trained physicians and surgeons. At least that's what they told me last night during a trauma code when I sticking a chest tube in a patient...

Don't you guys just make eyeglasses? And now you're putting in chest tubes???

Damn, times have changed.


😀
 
Every group will have a small faction that wants to get into "mine is bigger than yours" matches with all other groups within a particular profession.

That's why you'll hear PTs who say they can do PT or take care of Rehab patients better than any MD or DO can, and there are MDs and DOs who poo-poo on PTs just because they're PTs.

Haven't you ever been on the floor and hear a bunch of nurses sitting around and saying things like, "Oh and then he did this. That idiot thinks he knows medicine better than me just because he's an MD? I've got X-number of years of experience and that counts for more than book knowledge." At best it's an ignorant statement to make, but at its worst it simply means that this person doesn't know his or her boundaries.

I have friends who are RNs, PTs, OTs, and everything under the sun, but we all respect our professional boundaries. I won't attempt to school the PTs or OTs on their stuff and they won't tell me what's what in medicine. Then we all kick back and make fun of the chiropractors. 🙂
 
my mistake...i never intended to stick DO's in allied health. you'll find it's been edited accordingly.
 
The quotes stated in this forum from rehabedge are taken out of context and are obviously an attempt to stir up gossip. Nothing at all was said on the PT forum stating that physical therapists do not like medical doctors.
 
Here is a quote that took about 30 seconds to find...
"None have been good. The ones I have seen were in rehab facilities. They basically recruited patients to the facility and made sure their meds were up to date while PT,OT, Speech did all the work."

Sure they don't "hate" MD's, but the amount of disrespect for primary care is astounding!!
 
Originally posted by Freeeedom!
Here is a quote that took about 30 seconds to find...
"None have been good. The ones I have seen were in rehab facilities. They basically recruited patients to the facility and made sure their meds were up to date while PT,OT, Speech did all the work."
And how would this be incorrectly describing the PM&R docs?

ducks to avoid hurled stethascope :laugh:
 
Originally posted by womansurg
And how would this be incorrectly describing the PM&R docs?

ducks to avoid hurled stethascope :laugh:

I guess if you don't mind a master's level therapist with no medical training whatsoever evaluating *YOUR* loved one on an acute rehab unit for DVT, SOB, chest pain, mental status change, hypercalcemia, or any of the other bread and butter medical issues facing rehab patients it's probably okay.
 
i used to work as a PT and now i'm a first-year med.

we don't hate MDs, but i have to admit that i've come across my fair share of doctors who treat us like orderlies, and didn't give us the respect that we deserve. a majority of the doctors know when to consult us, and they appreciate the fact that we are there to provide more *hands-on* type of care.
 
Yes, I once was a practicing PT and a graduate of med school...and I firmly believe to legislate an increase in ones practice rights is wrong for the patient and wrong in every academic and ethical sense! You and I chose medical school to further our scope of practice...these people want to read radiographs and prescribe meds!! Once you become a third year med student and you work on the floors, you will realize how poorly you truly understood pharmacology and radiology...even with hours of classwork!!
Their logic is flawed and dangerous.
 
Freedom is right on here guys. As physicians and future physicians here, we have to stop the invasion by allied health practitioners into medicine, otherwise one day who will need physicians? By then even the PA's will be PhD's and the RN's will all be D.N.'s. And womansurg, I have to take this opportunity to poke fun at you, even though I will probably be heavily reliant on you when my motorcyle runs off the soft shoulder on the freeway!! But, the word stethescope is spelled as I have typed it, not stethascope. Its probably because you haven't seen one since 4th year of med school 🙂 .


ducks to avoid the flying Bovie!!!😕
 
Originally posted by PACtoDOC
the word stethescope is spelled as I have typed it, not stethascope. Its probably because you haven't seen one since 4th year of med school 🙂 .


ducks to avoid the flying Bovie!!!😕
Hear now, that is just a nonsense generalization about surgeons, and I resent such unfair stereotyping. Not seen a stethEscope since fourth year of med school - ridiculous. I see them all the time. They're that part of the identification badge which hangs around the necks of the IM docs. Um, that's right, isn't it?

Furthermore, I would never throw a Bovie at someone. The cord is too short. I would throw a scalpel.

Thank you.
 
Originally posted by womansurg
Hear now, that is just a nonsense generalization about surgeons, and I resent such unfair stereotyping. Not seen a stethEscope since fourth year of med school - ridiculous. I see them all the time. They're that part of the identification badge which hangs around the necks of the IM docs. Um, that's right, isn't it?

Furthermore, I would never throw a Bovie at someone. The cord is too short. I would throw a scalpel.

Thank you.

TOO FUNNY, TOO FUNNY. IROFL!!!!!!!!!:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
 
Throwing the scalpel, very funny. I once heard of someone moving the OR light so as to bump an intern in the head.
 
I conpleted my PT degree and now will be a first year medical student.

I think PTs are less respected by the general public rather than health care professionals.
 
A_Shah-
If you think respect from the general public is bad for PTs, you should try OT for a day!

dc
 
Originally posted by candybits
i used to work as a PT and now i'm a first-year med.

we don't hate MDs, but i have to admit that i've come across my fair share of doctors who treat us like orderlies, and didn't give us the respect that we deserve. a majority of the doctors know when to consult us, and they appreciate the fact that we are there to provide more *hands-on* type of care.

As in any business, you have to have the brains (management, aka MD's/DO's) and the body (Employees aka "Hands-on folks" like Nurses, PT's, orderlies, etc.).


ducks to avoid flying chart with my orders on it! :laugh:
 
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