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Here is the link about the show: http://www.nbc.com/ER/

I work in an ALS clinic. Most people don't know much about ALS, unfortunately. It's a terrible disease, and there's really nothing we can do about it. It breaks my heart every day to see people suffer like they do. The good news is that tonight's ER is going to focus on ALS. The actor who plays the man with ALS, James Woods, is an excellent actor, and people who saw the filming said he did a remarkable job portraying the disease. The more publicity ALS gets, the more likely it is that we will be able to increase funding for research and actually find a way to help people who have it.

So I encourage everybody to watch tonight. I haven't watched ER in years, but I know where I'll be at 10!
 
RxnMan said:
So, in the spirit of increasing awareness, what does ALS stand for?

It stands for Lou Gehrig's Disease.
 
🙂 Sorry about that

amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
It's a motor neuron disease that affects both upper and lower motor neurons. It is progressive and debilitating, and without exception leads to death. The average lifespan after diagnosis is about 3-5 years, although I've seen patients who've been around for 15 and others who will only last 1 or 2. It also depends on what they decide to do about respiratory support once they can no longer breathe on their own.

It's a horrible disease. We have no treatment for it. There is one approved drug which is minimally effective, if that. At our clinic we try to keep people comfortable, maintain their range of motion, maintain their ability to communicate, and treat any discomfort or medical problems that occur as a result of the disease. It's almost like hospice, in a way.
 
RxnMan said:
So, in the spirit of increasing awareness, what does ALS stand for?

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), often referred to as "Lou Gehrig's disease," is a progressive neurodegenerative disease that affects nerve cells in the brain and the spinal cord...

A good description can be found at: http://www.alsa.org
 
My friend's mother died from ALS. My biggest support is my annual donation to her foundation, but of course I will watch in support of a fellow SDNer.
 
A friend of mine's mother died of ALS a year and a half ago. It was awful seeing what he went through during her sickness and hearing his descriptions of what she had to go through and knowing there was really nothing that could be done. Just thinking about it is upsetting.
 
I've watched a guy go from being our high speed ups man to a guy in an electric wheel chair in. It is depressing and painful to witness this.
 
Believe it or not, I'm related to Lou Gehrig on my mother's side. Fortunately for us, we've researched the family tree (to the extent of information available which isn't much) and ALS doesn't show up anywhere else that we know of.

I am, however, living proof that athletic ability is NOT inherited - I'm also related to a female pitcher in the women's ball league, but I can't throw or catch a ball for the life of me.
 
Anyone interested in ALS... check out www.alswarriorpoet.com and read the story of Jon Blais aka Blazeman, who was diagnosed with ALS but still completed the Hawaii Ironman, the toughest on the planet.
 
n4ted0gg said:
Anyone interested in ALS... check out www.alswarriorpoet.com and read the story of Jon Blais aka Blazeman, who was diagnosed with ALS but still completed the Hawaii Ironman, the toughest on the planet.

Wow, thanks for that link. It's interesting to see the variety of forms the disease takes in its early forms, and then how everybody ends up the same anyway. And it progresses at such different speeds. We also have some very young patients in our clinic, some in their 20s and many in their 30s, although the typical age of onset is still late 40s or 50s. Personally I think that's getting younger, based on our population at least. And some people will have bulbar onset, meaning their first symtoms will be difficulty speaking or eating, rapidly progressing to difficulty breathing, whereas others (more commonly) will first notice that they can't write as well, or walk as well. And you meet people who 4 or 5 years after diagnosis are still walking around and talking and working, and others who a year after symptom onset are wheelchair-bound, unable to speak, and being fed through a PEG tube.

I think what has hit me, aside from just getting to know so many people who are living with and dying of this disease, is how helpless everybody is to do anything about it. Nobody even really understands why the disease happens.

The truth is, in my job I interact mainly with the human aspects of the disease, even though I'm involved in clinical studies and drug trials and also basic science research. I wish I knew more of the actual medicine. I'm sure I'll learn it in med school. I just hope that by the time I'm rotating through a neurology clinic (4 or 5 years from now) there is a better understanding of ALS.
 
If anyone has seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil. It is also a movie about ALS.

Very heart touching movie, I recommend all to watch it.
 
Tuesdays with Morrie by Mitch Albom is the best book I have ever read. Morrie had ALS and the book documents his physical decline and more.
 
CanadianPremed said:
If anyone has seen the movie Lorenzo's Oil. It is also a movie about ALS.

Very heart touching movie, I recommend all to watch it.

Lorenzo's Oil is actually about adrenoleukodystrophy (ALD), which is a genetic (X-linked) demyelination disorder that usually affects young children but also has other milder forms. It's also a horrible disease. I don't think it's as common as ALS, but I don't know the stats.

The cool think about Lorenzo's Oil is that recent research has suggested that it's actually effective if started prior to symptom onsent -- it can delay the onset of the disease and/or reduce symptoms when they occur. But it seems like it works to varying degrees in different kids. I read an article about it a while ago which was really interesting.

Anyway, I agree, that was a pretty good movie, if a bit sappy 🙂
 
tigress said:
Here is the link about the show: http://www.nbc.com/ER/

I work in an ALS clinic. Most people don't know much about ALS, unfortunately. It's a terrible disease, and there's really nothing we can do about it. It breaks my heart every day to see people suffer like they do. The good news is that tonight's ER is going to focus on ALS. The actor who plays the man with ALS, James Woods, is an excellent actor, and people who saw the filming said he did a remarkable job portraying the disease. The more publicity ALS gets, the more likely it is that we will be able to increase funding for research and actually find a way to help people who have it.

So I encourage everybody to watch tonight. I haven't watched ER in years, but I know where I'll be at 10!

My local listings say that the show starts at 9:55. Odd. Anyway, thanks for the heads up!
 
For those in the St. Louis area. Fox News 10pm (after ER) is showing a special report on a local guy with ALS. Just FYI
 
I'm really impressed with ER tonight. Not only is it showcasing a debilitating disease that isn't talked about very often in the mainstream, but it's also a lesson in the human spirit.

I wish my biochemistry professor was as into lecturing and getting the material across as James Woods' character is.
 
touching episode...i can't imagine what it's like to fight a disease where your body betrays you bit by bit...damn you Bush, expand federal funding for stem-cell research
 
Definitely one of the better episodes. Extremely eye-opening. I was happy to hear that jab towards the president's stupid decision to limit stem cell research...
 
Wow amazing episode..as usual for me. I don't think ER ever lost it. I'm now off to study biochem..
 
ayznshorti said:
I'm really impressed with ER tonight. Not only is it showcasing a debilitating disease that isn't talked about very often in the mainstream, but it's also a lesson in the human spirit.

I wish my biochemistry professor was as into lecturing and getting the material across as James Woods' character is.

What a great display of an admirable professor!! man!

👍
 
It was really good.

I cried. ALS is horrifying . . . a sweet lady who teaches at my high school and goes to my church has it and she's already in a wheelchair . . . she was diagnosed less than a year ago. It breaks my heart.
 
Tonights episode was really amazing!



So, in relation to the disease highlighted in tonight's episode, what do you all think about the stem cell research? On what side of the stem cell debate do you lie?

Hey tigress, are there any stem cell studies you know of that focused on ALS?

I know of ones relating to parkinson's...I am just curious.

cya
 
Wow. It just ended in Cali..that was amazing. Made me a little teary-eyed at the end.
 
It wasn't as cliche'd as I expected it to be, and it was far more political with its Stem Cell statements than I expected it to be.

Bravo.
 
There's one at UCI on regeneration of spinal cord injuries w/ ES cells.

Works darn well on mice models.
 
seilienne said:
There's one at UCI on regeneration of spinal cord injuries w/ ES cells.

Works darn well on mice models.

Wow...that has to be privately funded, right?

Do you know what the risk is of the stem cell implants developing into a teratoma?
I know that is still one of the issues that researchers are still having with ESC's.
I am torn on the idea of using ESC's. I really think that it can remove alot of impediments to treatments, but at the same time the idea of taking them from a fetus is iffy (morally I mean).
 
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Ugh I missed the last ten minutes....how did it end?
 
Watch House, learned a lot about this disease during one episode.
 
One part of the show that seemed unrealistic was the patient's repartee using a computerized speech assistant (or whatever you call it). Unless the technology has really taken off, I doubt that patients using that device in a conversation could respond so quickly with long, complete sentences.
 
Well I guess I should comment on the episode 🙂

Overall I think it was pretty good. I wasn't too pleased with the ending, or how obsessed Abby was with keeping him in the hospital to "recover." The focus on a cure was too much, IMO. See, even if there were a breakthrough cure, stem cell or not, it wouldn't do somebody in his position that much good. Nothing is going to really undo the damage that is done. The best to hope for would be to stop further damage. And at that stage, most of the damage is there.

Many of our patients choose not to go on a vent. Others choose to, but then decide to remove the vent -- it gives them some control over when they want to die, rather than just dying when they can't breathe anymore. We also have patients who refuse g-tubes and die that way. People on the vent usually die of pneumonia or other causes, or sometimes for no discernable reason.

So, more of a specific critique: James Woods did a great job. His voice, when he was still talking, wasn't really what ALS patients sound like (there is a typical "sound" to ALs speach), but I'm sure that's extremely hard to imitate. Obviously the medicine had to be adapted to a tv program, and one about an ER at that, so some things were not realistic. If he had a multidisciplinary team, like he said (which is what our clinic does -- PT, OT, speech, nutrition, psych, etc.), he would have been recommended various interventions as he progressed. A walker would have come far before a wheelchair, and a cane before that probably. Typically, somebody comes to clinic and describes how they are doing, the PT evaluates him, and then further assistance is recommended as needed. The same holds true for nutritional intervention. Oh, and people choke on thin liquids before they choke on food. Weight loss and choking generally lead to the recommendation to place a g-tube before it becomes necessary to rely on it. (Of course a "non-compliant" patient, or one simply in denial, could easily get to crisis stage before actually allowing these interventions. But they would have been recommended long before.)

The assistive communication technology is amazing, but it can't be used that quickly. Typically it takes a long time for somebody to get out a full sentence, even when they are still using their hands to manipulate the computer (via touch-screen or switch). I've had a number of conversations with patients this way. I was actually surprised at the synthesized voice, because in reality the voices are usually much more life-like (though it's up to the person to choose a voice). As far as timing, however, I forgave them because it was a TV show after all 😛

But yeah, people do often pre-store long sentences, or even whole conversations. I know one person who stored all the answers he could think to potential questions about a presentation he was making at work (he was still working, which many people try to do as long as possible). In a general conversational setting this usually isn't too useful because of the need for spontaneity. The newer computers "learn" the patient, however, so you can type in the beginning of a word and it suggests the complete word, and you can accept or reject it.

Hmm....so overall I thought they did a very good job. But I thought the end was a little too hopeful, almost cruel. Most people I've met do choose to go on hospice at some point. Oh, and I thought they did a great job of showing the strain the disease has on a caregiver, and the dedication some people have. (Unfortunately that isn't always the case, of course.)

I've only been working in the clinic for 7 months now. I would really like to find out what the doctors, PT, nurses, etc. thought about the show. I'll ask them on Monday (Fridays I do mouse work half day and come home!).

[I don't know of any stem cell studies happening in the U.S. I'm not sure we'd know what to do with stem cells in ALS, like how they would be used. We do have one patient who will be traveling soon either to South or Central America to get a stem cell infusion, against U.S. medical advice.]
 
Loved the episode. I thought Abby wasn't pushing so much to find a cure, but to save the person who saved her. But I don't watch the show normally, so I don't know what her personality is.

Thanks for informing us of the episode Tigress!
 
Thanks for the analysis, Tigress! I have a feeling you're going to be a phenomenal doctor...
 
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