PLZE READ!!!! "Obama's Health Reform is actually a good thing...."

[ATB Pre Med]

You guys need to watch the language and avoid insulting one another.

This thread is on the verge of being closed. Please remain on-topic and constructive.

This thread is a pretty good one. I created it for it's potential to see the opinions of SDN members on this topic. Although I've been insulted more in this thread, than any other, you should punish the offenders, not the debaters.

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[rocketbooster]

But the thing about it, is that I've worked Very hard all of my life. And kept a full time job since 15. What do YOU know about hard work?

you worked fulltime when you were 15? riighhhttt. pretty sure that schedule would conflict with your high school hours of 8am-3pm. so, after school, you worked from 4pm-midnight. where at?

and then in college, you worked fulltime? how were you a fulltime student working fulltime? I didn't realize you could choose all your classes to be night classes. I thought most classes are scattered throughout the day? so, you maintained your 4pm-midnight fulltime job again? it must have taken you many years to graduate college since you cannot be a fulltime student and worker at the sametime. are you an 8th year senior?

I wish I had your work ethic!

I'm not ad hom-ing you...I'm just questioning your statement.

 

[SolidWater]

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[ATB Pre Med]

you worked fulltime when you were 15? riighhhttt. pretty sure that schedule would conflict with your high school hours of 8am-3pm. so, after school, you worked from 4pm-midnight. where at?

and then in college, you worked fulltime? how were you a fulltime student working fulltime? I didn't realize you could choose all your classes to be night classes. I thought most classes are scattered throughout the day? so, you maintained your 4pm-midnight fulltime job again? it must have taken you many years to graduate college since you cannot be a fulltime student and worker at the sametime. are you an 8th year senior?

I wish I had your work ethic!

I'm not ad hom-ing you...I'm just questioning your statement.

Well Rocket Booster, you didn't mention weekends! And I am a full time student, and a full time employee. (Server). I do not take ANY night classes. Yes, I work from 4-2am, 2nights out of the week, and about 14 hours, double shift, on week ends. Check the APPLEBEES schedule if you'd like. When I was in high school, which I graduated from as a 4th year senior. I work from 4pm-9pm week nights, and 8am-3pm weekends. Check the Super Target schedule, if you'd like.

 

[didanawisgi]

Autonomy my ass, today docs have to check constantly with insurance companies to see if procedures are covered. In fact if a person gets really sick, insurance companies have employees, (ie bureaucrats) to pour through every health form they have ever filled out looking for a reason to dump their coverage. These "bureaucrats" get bonuses for refusing care, if they **** you over they get paid!

Government bureaucrats have no incentive to **** you over. So when you say "Its like the post office running your healthcare!" I say have you been to the post office lately?

I would love it if my health insurance was run like the post office, Fast service, almost 100% reliable and at very reasonable prices,(they mail my secondary packets for $1.75 and they arrive 2 days later!).
And the customer service is a hell of a lot better than Blue Cross!

Besides, there is no logical reason to be against the public option. If the government screws it up as bad as you think, then no one will opt in.

But if it works as well as my local post office, well then most people, (including myself) will choose it and that is what the insurance industry is scared ****less about.

If private insurance is so much more efficient and offers better service than they have nothing to worry about.

Post office has been operating in the red.

 

[BerlinDude]

What I find amusing about the cons(ervatives) opposing health care reform is that they are on a forum for pre-meds - broke people who haven't even been accepted to medical school - but act like they are going to lose millions of dollars a year because of this. It reminds me of Joe the Plumber making $30000 a year, but believing next year he will make ten times that amount.

Most of you cons don't have money, won't have money, and if you do get money, won't keep it because a fool and his money are soon parted.

Obama is the American president, and if your unpatriotic selves don't want to reform health care, feel free to move to Russia or Israel or something.

 

[usermike8500]

French Healthcare policy comes hand in hand with a French Workload. Hello 30 hours per week!! Now we just have to get Obama to reimburse our education costs and I will happily jump on the socialist bandwagon, even if I'll only make $70K per year as a physician.

 

[ParthVader]

What I find amusing about the cons(ervatives) opposing health care reform is that they are on a forum for pre-meds - broke people who haven't even been accepted to medical school - but act like they are going to lose millions of dollars a year because of this. It reminds me of Joe the Plumber making $30000 a year, but believing next year he will make ten times that amount.

Most of you cons don't have money, won't have money, and if you do get money, won't keep it because a fool and his money are soon parted.

Obama is the American president, and if your unpatriotic selves don't want to reform health care, feel free to move to Russia or Israel or something.

Our government was built so we don't follow any one man... Questioning your leader is not unpatriotic, its patriotic... You're exercising your right to have a hand in governmental policies. And why would we move away from our own country? Your opinion is just biased and provides nothing to this debate... I actually like Obama, voted for him, and even helped the local democratic campaign during the elections, but this is something I don't think is right and I won't support him in.

 

[casillas]

French Healthcare policy comes hand in hand with a French Workload. Hello 30 hours per week!! Now we just have to get Obama to reimburse our education costs and I will happily jump on the socialist bandwagon, even if I'll only make $70K per year as a physician.

 

[Buckeyes 2013]

In any case, this reform bill or not, I still want to be a doctor. I also believe that this reform bill will weed out those who have true passions in the field of medicine against those who don't have what it takes.

So I do expect to see a drop in the percentage of people who desire to pursue medicine if this reform bills pass. Even if we have less people going to be doctors, at least the remaining ones will most likely have the heart to be truly passionate about what they're going into. Plus, this will make many pre-med/med students think more about their decision to choose this path, so we won't see so many kids dreaming about pre-med but ending up changing majors.

So please do tell what is a right reason to be in the medical field. Are all doctors supposed to be angelic philanthropists who are completely careless about their financial well-being?
As you said if doctor's compensation were to decrease, less people would willing to go through 4 years of med school and many years of training. Good. It is completely natural that way. People need to get compensated and need to get compensated accordingly. No one should be ashamed to ask for a fair compensation.
Becoming a doctor is a terrible way to make big money. I believe if a person is intelligent enough to get into a medical school, he or she probably can be successful in other fields that do not require a decade of studying and training. That is why I would like to believe that people who go to med school have at least a little bit of passion for sick and underserved people.
If you are one of those angelic philanthropists, try law or business school before medical school. For sure,those fields need people like you more than medical field.

 

[niranjan162]

How many people opt for it would depend primarily on 1. how much cheaper it is, and 2. how different the benefits are from the competing private options. If cost were the only consideration in making purchases, Yugo would be the world's dominant car company.

Also consider the various restrictions that have been floated on who would qualify for the public option. Its earliest incarnation was a free-for-all, but to make it more politically palatable, entry may be limited based on employment and/or existing coverage and/or income level.

In another thread I suggested you read this PNHP article which bemoans how toothless the public option is (from the perspective of single payer advocates, that is). The currently debated notion of a public option originated from a man named Jacob Hacker in 2001, while he was still in graduate school. The Lewin Group analyzed his methods and estimated that 113 million (46% of the non-elderly) would enroll in an open public option run through Medicare's infrastructure, and that the uninsured would drop to 5 million.

Now, compare that figure to what is coming out of the CBO with the public option proposals as they have thus far been written: the so-called tri-committee bill is projected to enroll 10 million, and the Senate HELP bill would not be able to set premiums lower than the private options.

Feel better?

Thanks for the article.

I had never heard of Hacker before. Which leads me to believe that people will fall for the bait and switch.

And now with talk of taxing employee healthcare I think the public option will gain more ground.

Also im not sure whose number to trust. I guess the CBO's?

 

[niranjan162]

What I find amusing about the cons(ervatives) opposing health care reform is that they are on a forum for pre-meds - broke people who haven't even been accepted to medical school - but act like they are going to lose millions of dollars a year because of this. It reminds me of Joe the Plumber making $30000 a year, but believing next year he will make ten times that amount.

Most of you cons don't have money, won't have money, and if you do get money, won't keep it because a fool and his money are soon parted.

Obama is the American president, and if your unpatriotic selves don't want to reform health care, feel free to move to Russia or Israel or something.

Thanks for bringing so much to the debate.

 

[vin5cent0]

Personally, I find it pathetic that they would decide to cut Physician salaries as part of saving health care. You put in so much work into becoming a physician, yet you can easily out-earn a physician with NO degree and no one speaks out against that. Yet, you see a doctor earning 200k after 10 years of post-HS schooling and everyone is running at them with a pitchfork.

 

[Hirudo]

My taxes

 

[EnemaFairy]

I totally agree with the OP only coz im naive . why so serious???

Free Healthcare and crackers to everyone yay!!!

 

[smarttee88]

The only way I'd support this bill is if medical school was free and I worked like a typical federal employee - 40 hours a week, paid overtime, all federal holidays off, no chance of being sued, etc.

Completely agree.