podiatry school's attrition rate

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  1. wisdom seeker

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    Hello Friends,
    I have shadowed a couple of podiatrist and I like the profession however I am scared of the high attrition rate in Nycpm. They have a similar attrition rate to that of the Caribbean. I want to know if the attrition rate is this high in all the 9 schools. I mean I have many friends in MD and DO schools and I have searched up the schools and none of them have such a high attrition rate. I am a hard worker however there are other elements in grad school that maintain a student's good standing.
     
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    I am confused where you get your stats from? NYCPM has a maximum class size of 100. Their last class had 98 matriculating and last year they had 96 graduates.
    that would be 97.9% graduation rate

    Entering stats
    www.aacpm.org/wp-content/uploads/2017-2018-CIB_DIGITAL-FINAL.pdf#page=71

    Graduating stats
    https://www.aacpm.org/wp-content/uploads/Graduating-Class-of-2017-by-College-Ethnic-ID-and-Gender-03-2018-1.pdf
     
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    Either someone is feeding you misleading info or you didn't do your research properly. It's absurd to state that NYCPM attrition rate is similar to those of a Caribbean school. Let me tell what happens at NYCPM if you fail a course:

    If you fail (get less than 70 as an overall class grade) 1 course for that term you are allowed to re-test it. Meaning, you take a comprehensive final and whatever you get, as long as it is above 70%, you will get a C in that course and move on. Keep in mind, even if you get a 100 in this re-test exam, the best grade you will get is still a C.

    If somehow you fail the re-test, you are either allowed to retake that one class in the following term (if applicable and if that class is offered in the following term) or you are placed in the following graduating class, so you get to move on. Notice, I said if you fail 1 course in a term. If you fail more than 1 course in that term then the chances of re-testing are minimal and is a reason for academic dismissal.

    Whatever I have stated here is true (for the most part) for the other Pod programs as well (including Scholl), so check your facts because the programs will give you chances to keep on going and help you with whatever issues you might be facing, but sometimes, few students just do not belong.
     
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    Looks like you go to other forums to ask provocative questions. You went to optometry and asked similar question and went to dentistry forum to ask about their heavy debt.

    If you have real questions, you are welcome.
     
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    I am not trying to be provocative in the least bit but i did visit Nycpms open house a few months ago and the students told me that over their two years there ten students were dismissed. As for the other forum it’s just sheer curiosity for more secure pathways.
     
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    Not sure about New York, but the school I was considering before deciding dental, AZPOD, has 2 people leave their class out of 30 I think last year. 1 decided to go to DDS and the other wanted out of healthcare entirely. So an attrition rate of around 7%.

    I’m sure there are reasons for people leaving and not just failing out. From what I’ve seen, generally Pod schools try and keep their students around, even letting people retake years before boards.

     
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    Thank you for the helpful reply. As i understand Azpod takes around 30 of the best so that makes sense.
     
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    Initially you said that attrition is high in all 9 schools.
     
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    Not sure why people are talking down to this guy. Podiatry schools have historically masked their problems through failing to reveal outcomes, moving students between classes year after year, publishing 6 years graduation rates, making statements like "placement for those seeking residency", etc.

    Below are 2 different links from a few different time points - I suppose they deserve applause for moving their graduation rate from 74% to 82%.

    http://www.nycpm.edu/outcomes.pdf
    New York College of Podiatric Medicine
     
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    If you like the field and are a hard worker you'll have no issue with attrition
     
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    NYCPM also gets about 10 incoming classmates a year... I know, because I’m here. So that accounts for 10 students who failed out of persued other careers.
     
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    Can you elaborate? That didn’t make much sense.
     
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    Transfers in from others pod schools?
     
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    Transfers of IMGs/FMGs who have taken and passed USMLE Step 1 and 2 are given an advanced standing and can start in year 2 of basic sciences.

    New York College of Podiatric Medicine
     
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    That’s a pretty sweet deal for carribean grads that don’t get a residency.

     
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    Does anyone have a link to a chart that shows recent attrition rates for all 9 Podiatry schools?

    Sorry if I missed the link somewhere in the thread, I couldn't quite find it.
     
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    Is New York's average GPA and MCAT really 3.4 and 25? Those are very high.
     
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    There isnt one that I am aware of. I simply took entering class size from AACPM CIB and graduating class size from AACPM Stats. Links below for both

     
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    PCOM - Georgia DO school even has lower stats than that (they average 498 MCAT).

    At least thats what they told my friend at an interview there.
     
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    The curriculum at NYCPM is much more difficult than the other schools. At other places a 90 is an A...here its A-; so they do take competitive applicants who will most likely make it out.

    Granted, due to the lower # of people applying, I'm sure they took people with lower stats than a 3.4/25, but it's around here.
     
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    AZPOD around 3.52 and DMU around 3.48 overall GPA

    Not bad.
     
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    A 498 isn’t bad but i see what you mean
     
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    The 4 year retention rate at NYCPM is pretty low.
    The average acceptance stats for NYCPM are that high.
    If someone fails a class, their grade must be between 60-69 in order to retest. If you pass the retest, you get a C- in the course.
    If you fail more than one class a semester, even if you qualify for retest, the school may dismiss you.
    If you are dismissed or at risk of dismissal, you still have to attend a meeting to make your case to return the subsequent year.

    It is a pretty rough environment here, but the school DOES prepare you well for boards and they have great clinical exposure.
    It is what it is.
     
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    Azpod will be taking 40 this year and then 50 either the following year, or in 2 years.
     
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    You guys finally getting your own college?
     
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