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I am not trying to be biased and I probably know that that this question has been asked on SDN. I love what I have seen and heard about D.O’s and developed an interest in becoming one. Don’t get me wrong, I want to be a physician whether MD or DO but considering the fact that I am a foreigner and would like to move back to my country some day, I just want to know what exactly can you do with a D.O degree outside the united states? Thank you for your feedback.:)
 
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what is the reason for other countries not recognizing DO's as physicians? They go through the same exact training...
 

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what is the reason for other countries not recognizing DO's as physicians? They go through the same exact training...
Most countries actually do recognize the DO degree. There are a few who don't, and many that we have no idea about.
 

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What the heck's up with France, Japan, Norway, South Africa, and Zimbabwe?
 
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thank you all for the info. i am very happy that i can practice fully in Nigeria if i decide to move back. this is awesome:)
 
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what is the reason for other countries not recognizing DO's as physicians? They go through the same exact training...

To ensure the high-cost of service by excluding competition. Look at dermatology residency and you will see the exact same trend there.
 

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What the heck's up with France
It's France ... if we really cared to get practice rights there, the AOA could simply apply a slight amount of pressure and they would surrender immediately because well ... it's France.
 

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It's France ... if we really cared to get practice rights there, the AOA could simply apply a slight amount of pressure and they would surrender immediately because well ... it's France.
haha this is true. Although France has one of the best health care systems in the world hands down. Much better than anymore in North America. But at the end of the day.....you live in France:sleep:
 

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To ensure the high-cost of service by excluding competition. Look at dermatology residency and you will see the exact same trend there.
It's not to ensure high salaries, doctors don't make anywhere near what they are worth in most other countries. You are paid what the govt feels you are worth.

There are a large number of reasons DOs dont have full practice rights everywhere, such as osteopaths being pretty much chiros in other countries, so it may just be lack of understanding combined with doctors not wanting to practice in other countries too often due to the compensation. People not seekig licensure would help maintain the status quo.
 
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If you can speak your mother tongue, I would suggest looking at the corresponding wiki page for osteopathy / osteopathic medicine. I've been reading the French wiki for Osteopathie and basically why they have only rights to OMM is because their "Diplomats of Osteopathy" are not fully trained physicians. Same with the UK, except you can receive a BSc or a Masters of Osteopathy, but not OsteopathIC medicine. Every school in the US is named as a COM--College of Osteopathic Medicine. The name of the colleges were changed to COM instead of college of osteopathy, as I've read, to distinguish themselves from those who only practice osteopathy--OMM. I've read that a few of these countries accept US trained DO's, and if one is truly interested in full practice abroad to take it up with their medical boards.
 
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It's not to ensure high salaries, doctors don't make anywhere near what they are worth in most other countries. You are paid what the govt feels you are worth.

There are a large number of reasons DOs dont have full practice rights everywhere, such as osteopaths being pretty much chiros in other countries, so it may just be lack of understanding combined with doctors not wanting to practice in other countries too often due to the compensation. People not seekig licensure would help maintain the status quo.

Exactly it is to maintain the status quo. If you look I never said "the high cost of salaries", I said the high cost of service. Think about it, if you are a french bureaucrat running a socialized system you don't want a different type of healthcare professional coming in and undercutting your costs with more efficient service. That may take out the middle man (government bureaucrats). Governments don't like people getting help from someone other than governments. Look at the history of Osteopathic physicians trying to get certified in the USA, it is a history of discrimination. Not all in the same case for the same reason, but all had much to do with excluding competition. Ehhh too much to say in too little time. BTW, whoever just said French healthcare is better than anything in North America is laughable.If you think postal workers in lab coats are the pinnacle of medical practice then my advice to you is to stop believing everything you are told. European healthcare may be better in some aspects of primary care, but overall it has many problems like any system. The type of medical education in the USA is the best on the planet. Hands down. Don't bother arguing. No stats, articles or theories you cite will change this reality. There is a reason why the best healthcare professionals on the planet come to the USA to train and practice. Please understand this I don't mean to lecture, but do a little more research and understanding before adhering to the John Stewart/Comedy Central view of healthcare in America.
 

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There are a large number of reasons DOs dont have full practice rights everywhere, such as osteopaths being pretty much chiros in other countries, so it may just be lack of understanding
My cousin lives in Norway and was super excited to tell me that her boyfriend is getting a master's degree in "that thing I'm going to school for." I was not so super excited, on a few levels.
 

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Exactly it is to maintain the status quo. If you look I never said "the high cost of salaries", I said the high cost of service. Think about it, if you are a french bureaucrat running a socialized system you don't want a different type of healthcare professional coming in and undercutting your costs with more efficient service. That may take out the middle man (government bureaucrats). Governments don't like people getting help from someone other than governments. Look at the history of Osteopathic physicians trying to get certified in the USA, it is a history of discrimination. Not all in the same case for the same reason, but all had much to do with excluding competition. Ehhh too much to say in too little time. BTW, whoever just said French healthcare is better than anything in North America is laughable.If you think postal workers in lab coats are the pinnacle of medical practice then my advice to you is to stop believing everything you are told. European healthcare may be better in some aspects of primary care, but overall it has many problems like any system. The type of medical education in the USA is the best on the planet. Hands down. Don't bother arguing. No stats, articles or theories you cite will change this reality. There is a reason why the best healthcare professionals on the planet come to the USA to train and practice. Please understand this I don't mean to lecture, but do a little more research and understanding before adhering to the John Stewart/Comedy Central view of healthcare in America.

He was from Canada.
 

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what does me being from Canada having anything to do with it? Really did you just pull that card?! Do you know anything about Canada? The french population is like a very small portion of our country and most people in my part of the country are anti-french.

The french health care system is better because many doctors go to peoples houses (this would NEVer happen in ur country unless you paid a fine shiny penny), get paid well and get ridiculous benefits, parents who work have nannys paid for by the government who come and watch their kids for free (paid for by taxes). There is none of this fear like their is in the US for the bottom of the barrel who cant afford health care insurance. Almost everyone who works there is covered (similar to Canada). This means if you are uninsured and break your arm, you dont have to pay $10,000 or god knows how much. Its all covered. Same things with prescription drugs they are reimbursed so they cost little to nothing.

Now before you come out and say "go to France if u love their system", I hate france and would never want to live there (not a baget and wine kinda guy). The reason I want to go to medical school in your country is because of how nice medical equipment is and I love Americans.

While I love your country, please do not start bashing Canadians about how you know more about the world around you. Half your country cant name the capital of Australia or point out South Africa on an unlabeled map. Im not saying this is a bad thing but its true. The fact that you are probably going to reject this will prove the stubbornness of you as an American, which is alright with me because at the end of the day I still love your country
 

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what does me being from Canada having anything to do with it? Really did you just pull that card?! Do you know anything about Canada? The french population is like a very small portion of our country and most people in my part of the country are anti-french.

The french health care system is better because many doctors go to peoples houses (this would NEVer happen in ur country unless you paid a fine shiny penny), get paid well and get ridiculous benefits, parents who work have nannys paid for by the government who come and watch their kids for free (paid for by taxes). There is none of this fear like their is in the US for the bottom of the barrel who cant afford health care insurance. Almost everyone who works there is covered (similar to Canada). This means if you are uninsured and break your arm, you dont have to pay $10,000 or god knows how much. Its all covered. Same things with prescription drugs they are reimbursed so they cost little to nothing.

Now before you come out and say "go to France if u love their system", I hate france and would never want to live there (not a baget and wine kinda guy). The reason I want to go to medical school in your country is because of how nice medical equipment is and I love Americans.

While I love your country, please do not start bashing Canadians about how you know more about the world around you. Half your country cant name the capital of Australia or point out South Africa on an unlabeled map. Im not saying this is a bad thing but its true. The fact that you are probably going to reject this will prove the stubbornness of you as an American, which is alright with me because at the end of the day I still love your country
I'm not even going to pretend The average American is anything less than ******ed when it comes to the world around them and I wasn't sayig anythig about the French and Canadian connection, I was implying you are from a more socialist society much like France.

If you are willing to trade a more competent and better trained doctor equipped with better treatments for housecalls that is ok with me, but France is far from a better system. Our system does have it's warts but while about 20 million people out of 300 million get screwed the rest are provided care that is rivaled by none.
 

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I'm not even going to pretend The average American is anything less than ******ed when it comes to the world around them and I wasn't sayig anythig about the French and Canadian connection, I was implying you are from a more socialist society much like France.

If you are willing to trade a more competent and better trained doctor equipped with better treatments for housecalls that is ok with me, but France is far from a better system. Our system does have it's warts but while about 20 million people out of 300 million get screwed the rest are provided care that is rivaled by none.
misunderstanding im sorry. But ya for sure I would rather have better trained doctors as well. Im just saying they a lot of cons in their system that we are not exposed to in North America, that many people dont know much about. Its a personal choice for sure i mean there is not a perfect health care system out there, each one has its ups and downs. Im personally choosing your country because ya, the doctors are trained better. As far as citizen, if you were born and raised it France it would be pretty sweet. However going there after being trained in US would be a hard change
 
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misunderstanding im sorry. But ya for sure I would rather have better trained doctors as well. Im just saying they a lot of cons in their system that we are not exposed to in North America, that many people dont know much about. Its a personal choice for sure i mean there is not a perfect health care system out there, each one has its ups and downs. Im personally choosing your country because ya, the doctors are trained better. As far as citizen, if you were born and raised it France it would be pretty sweet. However going there after being trained in US would be a hard change

Please do not misunderstand my previous post as well. I meant no hostility in it. I for one love Canadians as well ( I used to have a Canadian girlfriend in high school and I think Canadian women are beautiful).

I think we can agree that no system is perfect. Some things are better over there. Some things are better over here.
 

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Please do not misunderstand my previous post as well. I meant no hostility in it. I for one love Canadians as well ( I used to have a Canadian girlfriend in high school and I think Canadian women are beautiful).

I think we can agree that no system is perfect. Some things are better over there. Some things are better over here.

I love all th love that is going on. So much is lost on the Internet when there is no tone of voice.

I agree nothing is perfect anywhere and where you are from influences you, but I love me some American healthcare haha