President Bernie Sanders

[Ludwig2000]

LOL, and now you reveal why people don't support libertarianism. It leads to the same outcomes as socialism, with more risk for most.

“The same outcomes” does not take into account that in one scenario men’s spirits are crushed and in the other they are invigorated

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[Angus Avagadro]

If you think about it, Medicare is a massive transfer of wealth from the general public to the healthcare industry. As anesthesiologists we complain about poor direct reimbursement from Medicare but we still benefit because many of the hospitals where anesthesiologists work wouldn’t even exist without Medicare. If they didn’t pay the hospitals and the surgeons, we wouldn’t have jobs.

It is a massive transfer of wealth and corporate welfare for hospitals IMO. One of our Dean's is a rabid Bernie Bro and is incensed that his medicaire dollars are going to pay for residents salary. He doesnt think his medicaire dollars should support physician education. I was a little taken aback by the comment. I asked them, should we just go back to the days where residents got paid a few dollars a week, 2 meals a day at the hospital. scrubs and a call room? They didnt have a response. If they are right, then maybe residents should just bill for their services while the hospital takes a cut for med mal and administrative costs? I doubt that will happen as hospitals make too much money off of residents.

 

[ambiturner]

It is a massive transfer of wealth and corporate welfare for hospitals IMO. One of our Dean's is a rabid Bernie Bro and is incensed that his medicaire dollars are going to pay for residents salary. He doesnt think his medicaire dollars should support physician education. I was a little taken aback by the comment. I asked them, should we just go back to the days where residents got paid a few dollars a week, 2 meals a day at the hospital. scrubs and a call room? They didnt have a response. If they are right, then maybe residents should just bill for their services while the hospital takes a cut for med mal and administrative costs? I doubt that will happen as hospitals make too much money off of residents.

A lot of the academic brass feel this way. NP students pay the department direct tuition for what is essentially on the job training and can be retained for a modest salary afterward. Sure they don’t work as much but they carry less malpractice exposure and don’t require a massive ACGME bureaucracy and oversight infrastructure. To the bean counters it always makes more sense to go this route.

 

[radsisrad]

Have the Left come up with a universal health insurance plan that doesn't apply to illegal aliens, and I'll listen.

 

[pgg]

Not liking Bernie's chances after yesterday.

Brokered convention seems more likely than ever. I confess a little morbid curiosity to see what the Bernie Bros will do if they don't get their way.

Sort of looks like the forever-progressive permanent hard left shift of the Democratic party lasted all of about 29 days between Iowa and Super Tuesday.

 

[vector2]

I feel like "I told you so" doesnt do justice to the idiocy of all the people who have been claiming for months now that the squad runs a democratic party comprised entirely of progressive socialists

 

[BLADEMDA]

I feel like "I told you so" doesnt do justice to the idiocy of all the people who have been claiming for months now that the squad runs a democratic party comprised entirely of progressive socialists

The fact that this race is even close shows just how far left the Democrats have moved in 4 years. 1/3 of the party or more are voting for extreme left of center positions.

I am breathing a sigh of relief knowing Bernie now has less than a 50/50 chance of getting The nomination. Wall Street is also relieved that Crazy Bernie won’t ever be President.

 

[deleted126335]

The fact that this race is even close shows just how far left the Democrats have moved in 4 years. 1/3 of the party or more are voting for extreme left of center positions.

I am breathing a sigh of relief knowing Bernie now has less than a 50/50 chance of getting The nomination. Wall Street is also relieved that Crazy Bernie won’t ever be President.

The unlikely is not impossible. Biden is 77 yo. There is a nonzero chance that over the next few months that something bad medically could happen to him. Things like that are why candidates “suspend their campaign” as opposed to withdraw completely from the race. You never know.


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[Angus Avagadro]

Biden will pick Hilary as his VP, resign as dementia worsens, and there we have it. President Hilary Clinton! It's right there in plain sight. No need to squabble back and forth, I think this has been the plan all along. It explains the weak field presented by the Dems since the beginning.

 

[radsisrad]

Not liking Bernie's chances after yesterday.

Brokered convention seems more likely than ever. I confess a little morbid curiosity to see what the Bernie Bros will do if they don't get their way.

Sort of looks like the forever-progressive permanent hard left shift of the Democratic party lasted all of about 29 days between Iowa and Super Tuesday.

A. This was orchestrated by the Democrat establishment, whose members - though they do love to virtue-signal - would like to keep their millions. Buttigieg and Klobuchar were definitely sat down and "spoken to."

B. Biden et al. are also far-left. The guy just said this week that he'd put Beto "Hell yes, weare going to take your AR-15" O'Rourke in charge of gun policy, supports our tax dollars going toward illegal aliens' healthcare, and supports citizenship for illegal aliens.

These are far-left positions.

 

[vector2]

The fact that this race is even close shows just how far left the Democrats have moved in 4 years. 1/3 of the party or more are voting for extreme left of center positions.

I am breathing a sigh of relief knowing Bernie now has less than a 50/50 chance of getting The nomination. Wall Street is also relieved that Crazy Bernie won’t ever be President.

As much as you'd like to sell your false narrative about how "extreme" the D's are, the current state of the race doesn't show anything new. Bernie got almost 2000 delegates back in 2016 too.

 

[GravelRider]

I’m sad that mini Mike dropped out. The thing that excites me about a potential Biden vs Trump debate is I think there is a real chance Biden takes a swing at Trump. I can envision Trump making a comment about his dead son and it’ll be late enough in the evening that Biden is beginning to sundown, and he’ll literally try to punch Trump.

A. This was orchestrated by the Democrat establishment, whose members - though they do love to virtue-signal - would like to keep their millions. Buttigieg and Klobuchar were definitely sat down and "spoken to."

B. Biden et al. are also far-left. The guy just said this week that he'd put Beto "Hell yes, weare going to take your AR-15" O'Rourke in charge of gun policy, support our tax dollars going toward illegal aliens' healthcare, and supports citizenship for illegal aliens.

These are far-left positions.

So the Democrats are either evil corporatists or evil socialists. The right-wing media can’t decide whether to show Bernie as an evil communist dictator trying to overthrow the United States or a sympathetic figure that is a victim of the democratic establishment. The story of Bernie is that his support is mainly young people and young people don’t vote.

My best guess is Buttigieg and Klobuchar were promised cabinet positions. Klobuchar is a top 5 for Vice President...if Warren doesn’t want it.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

I’m sad that mini Mike dropped out. The thing that excites me about a potential Biden vs Trump debate is I think there is a real chance Biden takes a swing at Trump. I can envision Trump making a comment about his dead son and it’ll be late enough in the evening that Biden is beginning to sundown, and he’ll literally try to punch Trump.





So the Democrats are either evil corporatists or evil socialists. The right-wing media can’t decide whether to show Bernie as an evil communist dictator trying to overthrow the United States or a sympathetic figure that is a victim of the democratic establishment. The story of Bernie is that his support is mainly young people and young people don’t vote.

My best guess is Buttigieg and Klobuchar were promised cabinet positions. Klobuchar is a top 5 for Vice President...if Warren doesn’t want it.

Biden will probably get my vote, but if he does that he 100% gets it.

 

[pgg]

A. This was orchestrated by the Democrat establishment, whose members - though they do love to virtue-signal - would like to keep their millions. Buttigieg and Klobuchar were definitely sat down and "spoken to."

B. Biden et al. are also far-left. The guy just said this week that he'd put Beto "Hell yes, weare going to take your AR-15" O'Rourke in charge of gun policy, supports our tax dollars going toward illegal aliens' healthcare, and supports citizenship for illegal aliens.

These are far-left positions.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I won't vote for him or any other Democrat, but Biden is nowhere near as far left as Sanders is.

As for Beto being "in charge of gun policy" whatever that means, shrug, all Democrats hate guns, all Democrats work to ban and confiscate them, and all Democrats will appoint judges with the requisite cognitive dissonance required to uphold their bans and buy "back" plans. Toe-may-toe, toe-mah-toe. Beto and Bloomberg and Harris are worse than most on the authoritarian scale, but let's be honest, that fight is going to be settled in the courts not the legislature or White House. All Democrats will appoint equally bad judges in that regard.

What Biden's strong showing changes most are the downballot races for Democratic candidates who are looking to defend the moderate and conservative seats they flipped in 2018. Biden is 1000x better for them than Sanders.

 

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[d9sccr]

The fact that this race is even close shows just how far left the Democrats have moved in 4 years. 1/3 of the party or more are voting for extreme left of center positions.

I am breathing a sigh of relief knowing Bernie now has less than a 50/50 chance of getting The nomination. Wall Street is also relieved that Crazy Bernie won’t ever be President.

Not to mention the DNC chair proclaiming AOC as the future of the party.

Definitely feel better with Biden likely getting the nomination, but let’s stop acting like he’s a moderate. He’s center of Bernie, but endorses plenty of far left policy—the difference is I’m not entirely sure he believes it and isn’t just pandering for votes. Bernie is Bernie. He’s been office for 50 years and hasn’t changed the entire time.

 

[radsisrad]

I feel like "I told you so" doesnt do justice to the idiocy of all the people who have been claiming for months now that the squad runs a democratic party comprised entirely of progressive socialists

Your gaslighting won't work.

Most physicians are capable of sensing trends. Given the topics under national discussion, it's clear that the Democrat Party has gone far-left.

H.R.5383 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): New Way Forward Act

Summary of H.R.5383 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): New Way Forward Act

www.congress.gov

See the consponsors of this bill. 44 House members is just the beginning number.

 

[vector2]

Not to mention the DNC chair proclaiming AOC as the future of the party.

Definitely feel better with Biden likely getting the nomination, but let’s stop acting like he’s a moderate. He’s center of Bernie, but endorses plenty of far left policy—the difference is I’m not entirely sure he believes it and isn’t just pandering for votes. Bernie is Bernie. He’s been office for 50 years and hasn’t changed the entire time.

I don't think most of you even have a clue what's currently center, left, or far left, let alone how such definitions have shifted since the 90s. If Biden is "far left" then Trump might as well be Mussolini.

The Republican Party Has Changed Dramatically Since George H.W. Bush Ran It

George H.W. Bush, whose death at 94 was announced on Friday by his family, was a hugely influential figure in the Republican Party: chairman of the Republican N…

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[vector2]

Your gaslighting won't work.

Most physicians are capable of sensing trends. Given the topics under national discussion, it's clear that the Democrat Party has gone far-left.

Puhhlease, 44 reps out of how many dems in the house? It's pretty obvious far left to you is essentially "anything I disagree with"

 

[radsisrad]

Puhhlease, 44 reps out of how many dems in the house?

Seeing as you graduated from medical school and residency, there's no way you're as dumb as this argument is. 44 members of the US House of Representatives are so committed to overhauling the electorate's demographics that they've presented a bill that prioritizes illegal aliens over the US's interested in almost every conceivable way. And the fact that this number will only grow is beside the point.

It's pretty obvious far left to you is essentially "anything I disagree with"

Or, you know, agendas that - without any hope of pretense - prioritize illegal aliens over US citizens.

When a bill seeks to make it extraordinarily difficult for ICE officers to enforce immigration law, limit criminal grounds for deportation to the most severe of offenses (hey illegals, you can commit crimes and not be deported, but just make sure they're not too egregious, ok?), repeal criminal grounds of illegal entry and reentry into the US (yep, decriminalizing illegal entry into the US), and introduce a host of other country-wrecking measures, yes, it's far-left.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

As for Beto being "in charge of gun policy" whatever that means, shrug, all Democrats hate guns, all Democrats work to ban and confiscate them, and all Democrats will appoint judges with the requisite cognitive dissonance required to uphold their bans and buy "back" plans.

What gets old is the incessant whining from the right-wing nut jobs who want to own tanks, bazookas and AK-47's. You know the god-fearin' bible thumpin' crowd. The ones who think every Democrat is out to get them and every single one of their guns.

 

[Southpaw]

What gets old is the incessant whining from the right-wing nut jobs who want to own tanks, bazookas and AK-47's. You know the god-fearin' bible thumpin' crowd. The ones who think every Democrat is out to get them and every single one of their guns.

Well anyone and everyone fully understands all of those are needed both for basic home defense and to defend against a tyrannical government with Bernie’s hand on the nuc button.

 

[vector2]

Seeing as you graduated from medical school and residency, there's no way you're as dumb as this argument is. 44 members of the US House of Representatives are so committed to overhauling the electorate's demographics that they've presented a bill that prioritizes illegal aliens over the US's interested in almost every conceivable way. And the fact that this number will only grow is beside the point.



Or, you know, agendas that - without any hope of pretense - prioritize illegal aliens over US citizens.

When a bill seeks to make it extraordinarily difficult for ICE officers to enforce immigration law, limit criminal grounds for deportation to the most severe of offenses (hey illegals, you can commit crimes and not be deported, but just make sure they're not too egregious, ok?), repeal criminal grounds of illegal entry and reentry into the US (yep, decriminalizing illegal entry into the US), and introduce a host of other country-wrecking measures, yes, it's far-left.

From my perspective, it’s hard to tell whether it’s sheer stupidity or just obstinacy that makes you think your argument about 44 reps is so compelling. Let’s ignore for a fact that you’re probably unaware of where the center is in regard to immigration or that that bill is mostly prohibiting a bunch of human rights abuses like kids in cages......but are you simply unaware that political parties have various factions, or is it that you just don’t care and are plowing right on ahead with the propaganda? The cosponsors of that bill make up fewer than 1/5 of the democratic members of the house, and that is very much ‘not’ beside the point. For instance, Steve King is a bonafide fascist white supremacist but he is a sitting Republican member of the House. Stephen Miller is a white supremacist and is still working in the West Wing. By your logic should I just go ahead and assume that all of you are white supremacists? No, cause that would be stupid, just like your assertion that the entire dem party is solely made of far left Bernie bros.

 

[vector2]

not to mention, can’t even get a simple majority of 51% to say a border crossing should be a criminal as opposed to civil offense

 

[radsisrad]

From my perspective, it’s hard to tell whether it’s sheer stupidity or just obstinacy that makes you think your argument about 44 reps is so compelling. Let’s ignore for a fact that you’re probably unaware of where the center is in regard to immigration or that that bill is mostly prohibiting a bunch of human rights abuses like kids in cages......but are you simply unaware that political parties have various factions, or is it that you just don’t care and are plowing right on ahead with the propaganda? The cosponsors of that bill make up fewer than 1/5 of the democratic members of the house, and that is very much ‘not’ beside the point. For instance, Steve King is a bonafide fascist white supremacist but he is a sitting Republican member of the House. Stephen Miller is a white supremacist and is still working in the West Wing. By your logic should I just go ahead and assume that all of you are white supremacists? No, cause that would be stupid, just like your assertion that the entire dem party is solely made of far left Bernie bros.

It seems that you have a particular challenge with maintaining the flow of an argument. I never wrote that the entire Democrat Party is made of far-left Bernie bros. The party is, however, far-left.

Regarding the 44 Reps... I just went through the first 10 names on the list, and 6 of them are freshman Reps. I'm not going to go through the entire list, but it's clear where the newest energy in the Democrat Party is directed. The tactics are explained right in the NYTimes link I included in my comment above.

As for your idiotic accusations against King and Miller, there's no use in even engaging.

 

[vector2]

It seems that you have a particular challenge with maintaining the flow of an argument. I never wrote that the entire Democrat Party is made of far-left Bernie bros. The party is, however, far-left.

Regarding the 44 Reps... I just went through the first 10 names on the list, and 6 of them are freshman Reps. I'm not going to go through the entire list, but it's clear where the newest energy in the Democrat Party is directed. The tactics are explained right in the NYTimes link I included in my comment above.

As for your idiotic accusations against King and Miller, there's no use in even engaging.

Are you even reading the nonsense you’re writing? Your memory is apparently woefully short, so to refresh you, I wrote that the result of Super Tuesday (aka a ridiculously good Biden result) shows the idiocy of the people who claim that “the squad runs a democratic party comprised entirely of progressive socialists” and you called that gaslighting, which is a really, really stupid statement on your part. So no, while you didn’t say “far left Bernie bro,” you’re being 200% disingenuous if you’re gonna try to say now that’s not what you were implying. Then, after that, you bring up one not-even-passed bill (sponsored by a tiny sliver of the house (44 reps), and sponsored by an even smaller number of freshman (7), as proof that the dems are all far left.

I mean, it’s clearly obvious you don’t know a ton about politics and even less about the dem party, so it’s no surprise you have no idea that moderate dems were just as much if not more responsible for flipping the house in 2018 as were progressives. Maybe educate yourself a bit and lay off the Hannity takes and you’ll appear less a fool.

 

[deleted941485]

The fact that this race is even close shows just how far left the Democrats have moved in 4 years. 1/3 of the party or more are voting for extreme left of center positions.

I am breathing a sigh of relief knowing Bernie now has less than a 50/50 chance of getting The nomination. Wall Street is also relieved that Crazy Bernie won’t ever be President.

Beware Biden Fever Heating Up Health-Care Stocks

The former vice president is no Bernie Sanders, but he's not the industry's best friend either.

www.bloomberg.com

We in healthcare have a low standard.

 

[radsisrad]

Are you even reading the nonsense you’re writing? Your memory is apparently woefully short, so to refresh you, I wrote that the result of Super Tuesday (aka a ridiculously good Biden result) shows the idiocy of the people who claim that “the squad runs a democratic party comprised entirely of progressive socialists” and you called that gaslighting, which is a really, really stupid statement on your part. So no, while you didn’t say “far left Bernie bro,” you’re being 200% disingenuous if you’re gonna try to say now that’s not what you were implying. Then, after that, you bring up one not-even-passed bill (sponsored by a tiny sliver of the house (44 reps), and sponsored by an even smaller number of freshman (7), as proof that the dems are all far left.

I mean, it’s clearly obvious you don’t know a ton about politics and even less about the dem party, so it’s no surprise you have no idea that moderate dems were just as much if not more responsible for flipping the house in 2018 as were progressives. Maybe educate yourself a bit and lay off the Hannity takes and you’ll appear less a fool.

When you derided people who had ostensibly claimed that the Democrat Party is now composed entirely of far-left Bernie bros, you were attacking a strawman, implying that the apparent impending nomination of Biden suggests that the Democrats are not, broadly speaking, far-left.

I challenged that, and will continue to challenge it for as long as Democrats pursue an Americans-last agenda.

You also have dreadful reading comprehension. I wrote that of the first 10 names in the cosponsor list, 6 were freshmen.

I get that you have an agenda. But I also remember very well that you argue in bad faith, and that's when you're not hallucinating things such as people complaining about Nazis being censored on Twitter.

 

[vector2]

When you derided people who had ostensibly claimed that the Democrat Party is now composed entirely of far-left Bernie bros, you were attacking a strawman, implying that the apparent impending nomination of Biden suggests that the Democrats are not, broadly speaking, far-left.

I challenged that, and will continue to challenge it for as long as Democrats pursue an Americans-last agenda.

You also have dreadful reading comprehension. I wrote that of the first 10 names in the cosponsor list, 6 were freshmen.

I get that you have an agenda. But I also remember very well that you argue in bad faith, and that's when you're not hallucinating things such as people complaining about Nazis being censored on Twitter.

Your revisionism is just getting embarrassing now. Again, since you won’t face the words you just wrote, I’ll explain it to you like you’re an 8 year old. You called my post-super Tuesday statement about the idiocy of the people who claim that “the squad runs a democratic party comprised entirely of progressive socialists” *gaslighting*. That’s quite the charge, and assuming you understand the meaning of gaslighting (which is certainly not a guarantee given your track record), you are disagreeing with my statement and therefore taking the position that the dem party actually is now comprised of entirely of progressive socialists, aka far left Bernie bros. But good try pretending your plainly stated disagreement is a strawman.

 

[radsisrad]

Your revisionism is just getting embarrassing now. Again, since you won’t face the words you just wrote, I’ll explain it to you like you’re an 8 year old. You called my post-super Tuesday statement about the idiocy of the people who claim that “the squad runs a democratic party comprised entirely of progressive socialists” *gaslighting*. That’s quite the charge, and assuming you understand the meaning of gaslighting (which is certainly not a guarantee given your track record), you are disagreeing with my statement and therefore taking the position that the dem party actually is now comprised of entirely of progressive socialists, aka far left Bernie bros. But good try pretending your plainly stated disagreement is a strawman.

Nobody on here ever, to my knowledge, claimed that the entirety of the Democrat Party is composed of progressive socialists. That was hyperbole on your part. Not clever hyperbole, but acceptable in political discourse.

Where gaslighting comes in is when you simultaneously create that strawman and then "knock it down" (air quotes) by pointing to Biden's successful day as proof that the Democrat Party isn't undergoing that dynamic. As I've written time and again, the party is moving in that direction, even if the establishment is able to wrangle a couple more "moderate" [chuckle] candidates like Biden.

Speaking of not knowing what "gaslighting" means, were you the one who, in the now-locked thread, had no idea what TDS is? Who thought that it referred to Trump supporters?

 

[vector2]

were you the one who, in the now-locked thread, had no idea what TDS is?

No.

Nobody on here ever, to my knowledge, claimed that the entirety of the Democrat Party is composed of progressive socialists. That was hyperbole on your part. Not clever hyperbole, but acceptable in political discourse.

Where gaslighting comes in is when you simultaneously create that strawman and then "knock it down" (air quotes) by pointing to Biden's successful day as proof that the Democrat Party isn't undergoing that dynamic. As I've written time and again, the party is moving in that direction, even if the establishment is able to wrangle a couple more "moderate" [chuckle] candidates like Biden.

Lol, do you think your obtuseness is convincing at all? We both know I was being hyperbolic, which is irrelevant to the point that you unsuccessfully tried to call me out for gaslighting. For the third time (and hopefully the last), it doesn’t matter whether my word choice was “entirely” and you understood that to mean “a huge, huge number” or “a great majority” of the Democratic Party is shifting far left. In either case, you’re miserably wrong.

I get it, I really do- the lynchpin of your favorite clown of a president’s strategy this year was to paint every single D challenger no matter who as a far left socialist. Granted, it will actually be a factual strategy if the nominee is Bernie, but if it’s not him, it would be an effective strategy with moderates and independents to gaslight and claim Biden is far left even though people actually on the far left despise Biden and hate his record/positions on busing, SS, crime bill, iraq war vote, m4a, and marijuana legalization. Ultimately, you’re better off sowing your misinformation among whatever other trump cultists you hang with because no one is buying your bs here.

 

[vector2]

 

[radsisrad]

No.



Lol, do you think your obtuseness is convincing at all? We both know I was being hyperbolic, which is irrelevant to the point that you unsuccessfully tried to call me out for gaslighting. For the third time (and hopefully the last), it doesn’t matter whether my word choice was “entirely” and you understood that to mean “a huge, huge number” or “a great majority” of the Democratic Party is shifting far left. In either case, you’re miserably wrong.

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I get it, I really do- the lynchpin of your favorite clown of a president’s strategy this year was to paint every single D challenger no matter who as a far left socialist. Granted, it will actually be a factual strategy if the nominee is Bernie, but if it’s not him, it would be an effective strategy with moderates and independents to gaslight and claim Biden is far left even though people actually on the far left despise Biden and hate his record/positions on busing, SS, crime bill, iraq war vote, m4a, and marijuana legalization. Ultimately, you’re better off sowing your misinformation among whatever other trump cultists you hang with because no one is buying your bs here.

Most adults like to think that they're "moderates", mostly because they've been told that mature, levelheaded people are politically "moderate." That is irrelevant. I look at specific policies and determine how left- or right-wing the electorate is. Unfortunately, the "Right" in America has been swept leftward over the past several decades, and the rate of this shifting of the Overton Window only increases.

Examining opinions on immigration policy, 88% of Democrats and 76% of Republicans support citizenship for illegal aliens. These are astounding numbers, and this attitude is so profoundly left-wing that people in most countries around the world think the US is insane for adopting this attitude. Only 55% of Democrats support increasing border security, at a time in history when there are often >100,000 (attempted) illegal crossings into the US every month. Only 54% of Democrats support the imposition of new fines on businesses that hire illegal aliens (hurting American workers in the process, by the way).

Far, far left.

 

[nimbus]

Most adults like to think that they're "moderates", mostly because they've been told that mature, levelheaded people are politically "moderate." That is irrelevant. I look at specific policies and determine how left- or right-wing the electorate is. Unfortunately, the "Right" in America has been swept leftward over the past several decades, and the rate of this shifting of the Overton Window only increases.

Examining opinions on immigration policy, 88% of Democrats and 76% of Republicans support citizenship for illegal aliens. These are astounding numbers, and this attitude is so profoundly left-wing that people in most countries around the world think the US is insane for adopting this attitude. Only 55% of Democrats support increasing border security, at a time in history when there are often >100,000 (attempted) illegal crossings into the US every month. Only 54% of Democrats support the imposition of new fines on businesses that hire illegal aliens (hurting American workers in the process, by the way).

Far, far left.

Did an illegal immigrant steal your ice cream when you were in 3rd grade? Why the fixation?

 

[pgg]

What gets old is the incessant whining from the right-wing nut jobs who want to own tanks, bazookas and AK-47's. You know the god-fearin' bible thumpin' crowd. The ones who think every Democrat is out to get them and every single one of their guns.

I don't own an AK-47 and I don't want one, but there's nothing special about them. Tanks and bazookas are destructive devices, regulated by the ATF. People can buy them if they want in most states. And yet, except for that guy who stole an Army tank in San Diego and drove it down a freeway a couple of decades ago, I'm not aware of any tank-related crimes. Not exactly sure what you're worried about.

It's been a whole couple of weeks since the Virginia state legislature tried to ban and confiscate every semi-automatic rifle in the state and close almost every outdoor shooting range in the state. Efforts that failed (rather - "shelved" for next year) by a couple votes. This wasn't just lip service to the base, these were actual bills that made it out of committee, to floor votes. With an enthusiastic governor on the other side waiting to sign them. The Democrats who crossed party lines to vote against these bills weren't actually opposed to gun control, mind you - they just have vulnerable seats to defend and argued for a smaller bite.

What gets old is having to constantly defend a civil right enumerated in the Constitution. What gets old is when I, as a rifle owner, get blamed and shamed for every handgun murder associated with an Appalachian meth deal, urban drive by, or suicide. What gets old is the constant pleading for me to "be reasonable" and "compromise" away my rights. Every single Democratic presidential candidate has made more gun control a core plank of their platforms. This reality is essentially indistinguishable from all of them being out to take every single gun in the country. Beto was just dumb enough to voice it out loud.

Maybe if they completely fracture at a brokered convention this year, and split into a far left party and a moderate liberal party, I'll reconsider. But I doubt it. Gun control isn't a fringe Democrat value. It's a centerpiece.


In the same vein, anyone who strongly supports abortion rights, yet votes for any Republican, is also whistling past the graveyard.

 

[vector2]

Most adults like to think that they're "moderates", mostly because they've been told that mature, levelheaded people are politically "moderate." That is irrelevant. I look at specific policies and determine how left- or right-wing the electorate is. Unfortunately, the "Right" in America has been swept leftward over the past several decades, and the rate of this shifting of the Overton Window only increases.

Examining opinions on immigration policy, 88% of Democrats and 76% of Republicans support citizenship for illegal aliens. These are astounding numbers, and this attitude is so profoundly left-wing that people in most countries around the world think the US is insane for adopting this attitude. Only 55% of Democrats support increasing border security, at a time in history when there are often >100,000 (attempted) illegal crossings into the US every month. Only 54% of Democrats support the imposition of new fines on businesses that hire illegal aliens (hurting American workers in the process, by the way).

Far, far left.

You have your one pet issue that you're weirdly obsessed with and are using that as evidence that the entire "Right in America" has been swept leftward? And I know you don't parse very carefully but did you even see the fox news poll on immigration I posted earlier? The number was who wanted a path to citizenship for undocumented people was still sizable in 2014.

Have you considered that maybe Americans' views on illegal immigration havent changed as rapidly as you think they have?

But rather your favorite blusterer-in-chief has been wildly successful at whipping you all (the base) up into a xenophobic frenzy fully supported by Fox News chyrons implying the invading southern hordes are at your doorstep

 

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You have your one pet issue that you're weirdly obsessed with and are using that as evidence that the entire "Right in America" has been swept leftward? And I know you don't parse very carefully but did you even see the fox news poll on immigration I posted earlier? The number was who wanted a path to citizenship for undocumented people was still sizable in 2014.

Have you considered that maybe Americans' views on illegal immigration havent changed as rapidly as you think they have?

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But rather your favorite blusterer-in-chief has been wildly successful at whipping you all (the base) up into a xenophobic frenzy fully supported by Fox News chyrons implying the invading southern hordes are at your doorstep

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TO be fair here, the numbers did increase and there literally was a few mass marches planned for the border (those caravans)

 

[deleted171991]

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The unlikely is not impossible. Biden is 77 yo. There is a nonzero chance that over the next few months that something bad medically could happen to him. Things like that are why candidates “suspend their campaign” as opposed to withdraw completely from the race. You never know.


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That applies to all of the septuagenarians. Let's not forget our "healthy" president's at least one TIA (aka episode of uninteligible speech).

I would condition all of their candidacies on making public the results of their brain MRI. It's ridiculous that every ***** worries about their cardiac health, which is not what will destroy the country (just a sign of their WIDESPREAD ATHEROSCLEROSIS).

I think our next Constitutional amendment should be about limiting the age of a candidate to 65-70. Old people are wise, until they become senile.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

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That applies to all of the septuagenarians. Let's not forget our "healthy" president's at least one TIA (aka episode of uninteligible speech).

I would condition all of their candidacies on making public the results of their brain MRI. It's ridiculous that every ***** worries about their cardiac health, which is not what will destroy the country (just a sign of their WIDESPREAD ATHEROSCLEROSIS).

I think our next Constitutional amendment should be about limiting the age of a candidate to 65-70. Old people are wise, until they become senile.

This is a change from the last 2.5 decades. Warren is the youngest and she'd be 71 at inauguration. Hillary and Trump are basically the same age, but prior to that we had a good run on young Presidents:

Obama was 48 when he got the job, W was 55, Clinton was 47, HW was 65. Reagan would've fit in with this lot as he was 70 and looking back we now know his mind was not in good shape the last part of his Presidency.

 

[vector2]

The alarmism is even more overblown when you consider the 2019 spike was from central american refugees fleeing crisis conditions

 

[radsisrad]

Did an illegal immigrant steal your ice cream when you were in 3rd grade? Why the fixation?

Mostly because I care about free speech and the Second Amendment.

 

[radsisrad]

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The alarmism is even more overblown when you consider the 2019 spike was from central american refugees fleeing crisis conditions

Gauging the severity of illegal alien numbers by the number of apprehensions is absurd. Might as well gauge the prevalence of pancreatic cancer by the number of patients found with abdominal masses on physical exam.

 

[vector2]

Gauging the severity of illegal alien numbers by the number of apprehensions is absurd. Might as well gauge the prevalence of pancreatic cancer by the number of patients found with abdominal masses on physical exam.

The number or CBP agents has steadily gone up since 2000 so if you don't think apprehensions correlates with crossings then feel free to provide the data.

 

[vector2]

Up is down, black is white.


No big deal, though, just keep those sweet, sweet marginal income tax rates nice and low.

 

[deleted480308]

Up is down, black is white.


No big deal, though, just keep those sweet, sweet marginal income tax rates nice and low.

A stupid tweet with bad advice is far less forcefully impactful than actually taking someone’s money from them, I’m with you on the tweet being wrong

 

[Aether2000]

Bernie is tenacious. If he loses, he will probably run again in 2024, 2028, and 2032

 

[BLADEMDA]

Bernie is tenacious. If he loses, he will probably run again in 2024, 2028, and 2032

Ages 82, 86 and 90 respectively with at least one Coronary stent placed at age 78

 

[periopdoc]

Bernie is tenacious. If he loses, he will probably run again in 2024, 2028, and 2032

Of course he will. No sense getting off the gravy train until the last possible second. His grift has made him a very rich man.

 

[nimbus]

Of course he will. No sense getting off the gravy train until the last possible second. His grift has made him a very rich man.

How else do you get very rich?

 

[deleted941485]

Of course he will. No sense getting off the gravy train until the last possible second. His grift has made him a very rich man.

Even if Bernie doesn’t run again, the dem party has a new young crop of true believers eager to take up the cause and run on the same platform.