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Pretty sure choosing pre-med was due to my EGO. Considering dentistry.

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    Those evolving interests are what scare me the most!
    I've worked in the insurance industry, applied to business school at one time, went back to school determined to do medicine, and here I am now considering dentistry. :eek:
     
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      So for the last 3-4 months, I've been listening (audiobooks) to a lot of Echkart Tolle and other authors who talk about EGO.

      I absolutely love this stuff, and it's changed my life like crazy. This stuff is freakin' AWESOME.

      The way I look at the world had TOTALLY changed. WOW!

      Before coming across this stuff I wanted to have SO MUCH MONEY. I wanted a mansion in beverly hills, a ferrari, etc etc. I wanted to go to the absolute top--being a neuro or heart surgeon. I was wiling to spend extra years in residency (like do multiple post docs, or internal med residiences first) if I couldn't immediatly qualifly for those residencies. I was in this mindset for like 2 yrs.

      Anyway, the last 3 months I realized how much of a joke that was, and how I was basing my happiness and mood on external things.

      So now I'm like why do I want to put my body through so much stress just to be crowned by everyone as "the ****"?

      I don't.

      And I thikn that the route of being a doctor is gonna be so "tooling"--from my new perspective, would feel like a tool --like I'm gonna work my *** off just for some little validation from people.

      Sure You can help people by being a doctor, but ultamately I think most of helping people comes from subtilities in your energy levels that you project out to the world--in other words your vibe(you probably won't understand whta I'm talking about unless you have done massive reading in self-development)

      I've already spent 5 yrs in engineering, and it was hell, and I actually enjoyed it, or at least thought I did for most of the time, and learned alot from it...and I don't regret it at all cuz I wouldn't be the same person now.

      But I don't think I would enjoy doing it again, and I'm glad I went through it because I delevoped alot of insight about myself and how the people work.

      I realized by working my *** off and wanting my partners in group projects to work their *** off when they were over worked and not down to so, I was actually radiating negative energy (egoic) in the world. (this is just a random example it's not like I'm mournign over this)

      I've really questioned whether I want to be a doctor, because I am pretty sure that I just wanted to be a doctor for validation--meaning to prove to the world that i am worthy and important and to derive confidence from it. Like I couldn't feel good about myself or AS GOOD about myself without being a doctor. It was like "I'm a doctor and I'm accomplished for like and nobody can talk **** to me!" ...I really thought this way to the heart.

      Well for like the last 2 months I've gotten so far away from that way of thinking and everyday tend to even go more for away from that way of thinking.

      Now, I just pretty much want to be financially stable
      , and do something that I can live it or at least decently enjoy. I think my interests will always be evolving, so I can't like choose a common profession that I'll always be interested in.

      So I'm considering just applying to dental school, cuz I view it as being much more chill, plus it will give me time to actually have a life aside from work.

      I'm curious to hear what you guys have to say.

      Do masters in engineering.....just 2 more years will make you financially stable. You still have that ego of being a Dr. in you and is why you are thinking of dentistry.......
       

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        I was in the same position as you, was so keen on medicine for the prestige and the money. But recently, have been looking towards dental and its pretty cool. Its interesting, and it gives you decent salary and work hours.

        I have a question though is the DAT is harder than the MCAT?

        Also, do dental schools accept international students?
         

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          Anyone that listens to an audio book for a few months and has their world totally change, is a ripe candidate for a cult brainwashing. You should stay away from mystical persons that preach about aliens riding a comet to Earth or anything similar, lest you get sucked in and castrate yourself.
           

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            Anyone that listens to an audio book for a few months and has their world totally change, is a ripe candidate for a cult brainwashing. You should stay away from mystical persons that preach about aliens riding a comet to Earth or anything similar, lest you get sucked in and castrate yourself.

            And stay away from the punch.
             

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              I was in the same position as you, was so keen on medicine for the prestige and the money. But recently, have been looking towards dental and its pretty cool. Its interesting, and it gives you decent salary and work hours.

              I have a question though is the DAT is harder than the MCAT?

              Also, do dental schools accept international students?
              DAT has sections the MCAT doesn't have, and vice versa. They are both difficult in their own rite.


              as for accepting int'l students, you need to check the individual schools for that information.
               

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                The only thing I got out of your post was...

                blah, blah, blah... medicine will require too many hours and not enough compensation. My EGO is in check, and I'm now willing to sacrifice some prestige to work fewer hours and earn more money... blah, blah, blah.

                On a more serious note, although I wasn't being sarcastic, how come the only new threads to appear on the "pre-dental" and "dental" forums are medical, law and whoever else wanting advice about switching careers? If you want to switch, SWITCH. Why the h*ll does it matter what any of us think. The only thing we're going to do is abuse you for being a tool.

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                  uhh.. that was interesting.
                  I'd say, if you like dentistry, go for dentistry because people who dont like to stare in people's mouths and see blood, and drill away enamal, and see people clench their fists and mumble that they need more anesthetic arent going to enjoy it. Dont do it because it is "easier". If you wanna be a doctor do that, but dont get a job to impress people because if it doesnt than you will be very disapointed and if you fail you will be even more disapointed because u will get opposite of what u were looking for.
                  Especially something that takes 8-13 years of your life, like seriously think about what u are saying.

                  And yeah i dont think dentistry will be that much easier, i think it will be less stressful, and more rewarding in the end if you like that kind of lifestyle over the work work work more work that the doctor has to do, but a doctor isnt necessarily "better" than the dentist. I think if someone gets to be a dentist and buys their own practice and has their own patients and works 4-5 days a week they are doing pretty darn good and thats seems equally respectable as a heart surgeon.
                  Least to me.
                  Im not gonna be in awe of you if you cut people open.
                  plus, if you are a specialized heart surgeon guy u dont get the opportunity to see your patients as they grow up like a dentist does. dno, I like my dentist more than my doctor. In fact, i kind of dont like my doctor at all and thats why im doing dentistry...
                  Something to think about..


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                    So I'm considering just applying to dental school, cuz I view it as being much more chill, plus it will give me time to actually have a life aside from work.

                    Wait, so thats your main motive? Because it's "more chill"?.

                    I'm just curious, have you ever seen what a dentist does? Do you even LIKE the field itself, money aside?? Because I'll tell you right now, if you want money become an investment banker. For the amount of time you have to put in, it's not easy at ALL. I think you should do some more research before you consider applying. You don't want to go into school for 2 years only to realize you don't want to do this for the rest of your life.

                    And oh yeah, I'm glad you realized that a doctor isn't infalliable, because you know, no matter what degree you come out with, you're still human. Just as much as the patients you serve or the mailman for that matter.
                     

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                      I never understand these people that think dentistry is the easy answer to financial security. There are easier ways. Dentistry is a ton of school, headaches and debt, for a profession that is at risk of becoming socialized. If you want to do OK, do dentistry. If you want to make REAL money, go into finance, geology, or petroleum engineering. It seems that right now the sky is the limit in those fields.
                       

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                        and the fire burns:laugh: seriously OP, being any type of doctor is not easy. if you enjoyed engineering so much, go back to it, it was obviously something you imagined doing for 5 years. with dentistry, you have to deal with patients who will not always like you or those who think they know more than you, sometimes work through the day in grueling positions, deal with the staff around you, etc. It's not easy, but true doctors manage to keep their patients, staff, and themselves happy.

                        and of course, as mentioned before, D-school is no joke or breeze through. It's just as demanding as med, pharm, optometry, pod, or whatever doctorate you pursue. So if you have the dedication, go for it, as mentioned before, it doesn;t matter what we think. Just be ready for the challenge.
                         
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                          thats bull****. mcat is a zillion times harder. if you havent taken both, you shouldnt speak.

                          I took both.... 34 on MCAT and 20 on DAT (first time). My percentile, clearly, was higher for the MCAT.

                          I'm not saying the DAT is harder than the MCAT. They are both challenging in their own respects.

                          jb!:)

                          ps- don't want to get thread off real topic. just wanted to point out that your post is "bull****"
                           

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                            I took both.... 34 on MCAT and 20 on DAT (first time). My percentile, clearly, was higher for the MCAT.

                            I'm not saying the DAT is harder than the MCAT. They are both challenging in their own respects.

                            jb!:)

                            ps- don't want to get thread off real topic. just wanted to point out that your post is "bull****"

                            what was the breakdown by sections? also i take it you took it a 2nd time and then percentages were reversed? p.s. i'll post my mcat and dat scores when i receive them. i dont talk smack.
                             

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                              the point is that the tests are different enough that you can't really compare them. Apples and Oranges. Both are difficult in their own way. Maybe the DAT catered better to your abilities than the MCAT.
                              they both contain gen chem, ochem, verbal, bio. you may also compare physics to math. true, PAT is unique and i am not comparing it.
                               

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                                1. (as the others have said) Someone who is as "smart" as you "might" be should think about how much stock you put in self help books. It is fine to be driven and want to be successful.

                                2. Last I checked dentists are DOCTORS. Just had to squeeze that one in.

                                3. Chances of you making more money as a dentist is higher than you driving a ferrari as Dr. 90210

                                4. A dentist with a keen eye can catch preliminary signs of many life threatening systemic diseases (think cancer being the big one). For you kids out there with a hard on for saving lives. In a case presentation a couple of days a ago the guys here found a woman who had signs of TMD and was diagnosed as such, upon referral to a TMD specialist (a dentist) and MRI they found a brain tumor.

                                5. Should you ever decide you need you ego, there is are a TON of routes you can take in the OMFS path. Those guys do it all: tumor removal, reconstructive surgery, microvascular, ect

                                Hope this helps,
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                                  I never understand these people that think dentistry is the easy answer to financial security. There are easier ways. Dentistry is a ton of school, headaches and debt, for a profession that is at risk of becoming socialized. If you want to do OK, do dentistry. If you want to make REAL money, go into finance, geology, or petroleum engineering. It seems that right now the sky is the limit in those fields.
                                  lol, have you ever worked in geology?? you'll be lucky if u break 100k after 10yrs. and finance?? work 80hrs/wk and maybe you'll be promoted after 5yrs to the kind of job where you make 500k/yr and still work 80hrs/wk. there is really nothing better than dentistry/medicine in terms of financial security right now. only enterpreneurs, professional athletes, actors can beat them.
                                   
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                                    1. (as the others have said) Someone who is as "smart" as you "might" be should think about how much stock you put in self help books. It is fine to be driven and want to be successful.

                                    2. Last I checked dentists are DOCTORS. Just had to squeeze that one in.

                                    3. Chances of you making more money as a dentist is higher than you driving a ferrari as Dr. 90210

                                    4. A dentist with a keen eye can catch preliminary signs of many life threatening systemic diseases (think cancer being the big one). For you kids out there with a hard on for saving lives. In a case presentation a couple of days a ago the guys here found a woman who had signs of TMD and was diagnosed as such, upon referral to a TMD specialist (a dentist) and MRI they found a brain tumor.

                                    5. Should you ever decide you need you ego, there is are a TON of routes you can take in the OMFS path. Those guys do it all: tumor removal, reconstructive surgery, microvascular, ect

                                    Hope this helps,
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                                    as for points 4&5:
                                    4) i dont have a hardon. i just think it would be cool to operate. but i see nothing cool about seeing sick people.
                                    5) OMFS is bull****. the training you must go through is not a bit easier than to become a general surgeon. but the difference is that you commit to this from day 1 of dental school. while most people who want to become general surgeons may still opt for radiology or anesthesiology.
                                     

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                                      The only thing I got out of your post was...

                                      blah, blah, blah... medicine will require too many hours and not enough compensation. My EGO is in check, and I'm now willing to sacrifice some prestige to work fewer hours and earn more money... blah, blah, blah.

                                      On a more serious note, although I wasn't being sarcastic, how come the only new threads to appear on the "pre-dental" and "dental" forums are medical, law and whoever else wanting advice about switching careers? If you want to switch, SWITCH. Why the h*ll does it matter what any of us think. The only thing we're going to do is abuse you for being a tool.

                                      :barf:

                                      :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
                                       

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                                        So I'm considering just applying to dental school, cuz I view it as being much more chill, plus it will give me time to actually have a life aside from work.

                                        I'm curious to hear what you guys have to say.

                                        Yeah, I would reevaluate that. If you're talking about the actual career, I can see what you're talking about. If you're talking about dental school itself being "chill"....


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                                        jackbauer!

                                          what was the breakdown by sections? also i take it you took it a 2nd time and then percentages were reversed? p.s. i'll post my mcat and dat scores when i receive them. i dont talk smack.

                                          20 first time, 22 second. I think the MCAT and DAT percentiles were roughly equal the second time around. Look, I'm not trying to say the DAT is harder... I don't think it is. The tests cater to different types of test takers.

                                          The MCAT is more analytical. Know concepts and basic science, then apply them to passages. DAT is more memorization and knowing obscure science facts--and I hate memorization.

                                          That was my experience.

                                          But that isn't the point of this thread. To the OP: get some serious experience in the field before diving in. Talk to as many dentists as possible and feel out how happy they are. Make sure you enjoy the setting of a dental office. You will likely be spending the next 30 years of your life in one.

                                          jb!:)
                                           

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                                            as for points 4&5:
                                            4) i dont have a hardon. i just think it would be cool to operate. but i see nothing cool about seeing sick people.
                                            5) OMFS is bull****. the training you must go through is not a bit easier than to become a general surgeon. but the difference is that you commit to this from day 1 of dental school. while most people who want to become general surgeons may still opt for radiology or anesthesiology.
                                            I hear that oral surgeons get all the chicks. Based on your post history, you're looking for a career that attracts women, right?
                                             

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                                              Finally, I see my interests forever evolving (another poster showed fear of this) and think this will always happen. I don't think you can escape it if you are being real with yourself. So that's another reason why I want to pursue dentistry so that I can have another life on the side or do other things on the side whereas being a doctor would seem to take up all my tiem and life.

                                              I've noticed that doctors complain a lot about what they should've gone into when they reach middle age.

                                              I've also noticed that those in finance can change paths when their passions change, which happens quite often and will happen to you, "if you are being real with yourself."
                                               

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                                                Um.... What? I'll have what this guy's smoking ;)

                                                So for the last 3-4 months, I've been listening (audiobooks) to a lot of Echkart Tolle and other authors who talk about EGO.

                                                I absolutely love this stuff, and it's changed my life like crazy. This stuff is freakin' AWESOME.

                                                The way I look at the world had TOTALLY changed. WOW!

                                                Before coming across this stuff I wanted to have SO MUCH MONEY. I wanted a mansion in beverly hills, a ferrari, etc etc. I wanted to go to the absolute top--being a neuro or heart surgeon. I was wiling to spend extra years in residency (like do multiple post docs, or internal med residiences first) if I couldn't immediatly qualifly for those residencies. I was in this mindset for like 2 yrs.

                                                Anyway, the last 3 months I realized how much of a joke that was, and how I was basing my happiness and mood on external things.

                                                So now I'm like why do I want to put my body through so much stress just to be crowned by everyone as "the ****"?

                                                I don't.

                                                And I thikn that the route of being a doctor is gonna be so "tooling"--from my new perspective, would feel like a tool --like I'm gonna work my *** off just for some little validation from people.

                                                Sure You can help people by being a doctor, but ultamately I think most of helping people comes from subtilities in your energy levels that you project out to the world--in other words your vibe(you probably won't understand whta I'm talking about unless you have done massive reading in self-development)

                                                I've already spent 5 yrs in engineering, and it was hell, and I actually enjoyed it, or at least thought I did for most of the time, and learned alot from it...and I don't regret it at all cuz I wouldn't be the same person now.

                                                But I don't think I would enjoy doing it again, and I'm glad I went through it because I delevoped alot of insight about myself and how the people work.

                                                I realized by working my *** off and wanting my partners in group projects to work their *** off when they were over worked and not down to so, I was actually radiating negative energy (egoic) in the world. (this is just a random example it's not like I'm mournign over this)

                                                I've really questioned whether I want to be a doctor, because I am pretty sure that I just wanted to be a doctor for validation--meaning to prove to the world that i am worthy and important and to derive confidence from it. Like I couldn't feel good about myself or AS GOOD about myself without being a doctor. It was like "I'm a doctor and I'm accomplished for like and nobody can talk **** to me!" ...I really thought this way to the heart.

                                                Well for like the last 2 months I've gotten so far away from that way of thinking and everyday tend to even go more for away from that way of thinking.

                                                Now, I just pretty much want to be financially stable, and do something that I can live it or at least decently enjoy. I think my interests will always be evolving, so I can't like choose a common profession that I'll always be interested in.

                                                So I'm considering just applying to dental school, cuz I view it as being much more chill, plus it will give me time to actually have a life aside from work.

                                                I'm curious to hear what you guys have to say.
                                                 

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                                                  I'm glad you see dentistry as "chill" ...so many people wrongly stereotype dentists as anal-retentive perfectionists. It's just not true. If it were, then why would we have chosen the easy path? Duh!

                                                  And good luck with that introspection, man. I got a feeling you're gonna figure it all out. You're so deep! ;)

                                                  So, are you a freshman, or sophomore?
                                                   
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                                                    I was originally planning to be a dentist, but then I became more and more "wanting"--I wanted to be the "best" in terms of socities (superficial) standards. That's what ultimately led me to want to be a doctor.

                                                    First of all being a dentist is the BEST! thank you very much. :p Secondly, if you are too lazy to do the work required to succeed in medical school then I don't see how you will do well in dental school. Dental school is NOT easier then medical school...some dental students take their first two years with med students like Columbia for example!!! so STOP saying dental school is easy or chill! :thumbdown:
                                                     

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                                                      So for the last 3-4 months, I've been listening (audiobooks) to a lot of Echkart Tolle and other authors who talk about EGO.

                                                      I absolutely love this stuff, and it's changed my life like crazy. This stuff is freakin' AWESOME.

                                                      The way I look at the world had TOTALLY changed. WOW!

                                                      Before coming across this stuff I wanted to have SO MUCH MONEY. I wanted a mansion in beverly hills, a ferrari, etc etc. I wanted to go to the absolute top--being a neuro or heart surgeon. I was wiling to spend extra years in residency (like do multiple post docs, or internal med residiences first) if I couldn't immediatly qualifly for those residencies. I was in this mindset for like 2 yrs.

                                                      Anyway, the last 3 months I realized how much of a joke that was, and how I was basing my happiness and mood on external things.

                                                      So now I'm like why do I want to put my body through so much stress just to be crowned by everyone as "the ****"?

                                                      I don't.

                                                      And I thikn that the route of being a doctor is gonna be so "tooling"--from my new perspective, would feel like a tool --like I'm gonna work my *** off just for some little validation from people.

                                                      Sure You can help people by being a doctor, but ultamately I think most of helping people comes from subtilities in your energy levels that you project out to the world--in other words your vibe(you probably won't understand whta I'm talking about unless you have done massive reading in self-development)

                                                      I've already spent 5 yrs in engineering, and it was hell, and I actually enjoyed it, or at least thought I did for most of the time, and learned alot from it...and I don't regret it at all cuz I wouldn't be the same person now.

                                                      But I don't think I would enjoy doing it again, and I'm glad I went through it because I delevoped alot of insight about myself and how the people work.

                                                      I realized by working my *** off and wanting my partners in group projects to work their *** off when they were over worked and not down to so, I was actually radiating negative energy (egoic) in the world. (this is just a random example it's not like I'm mournign over this)

                                                      I've really questioned whether I want to be a doctor, because I am pretty sure that I just wanted to be a doctor for validation--meaning to prove to the world that i am worthy and important and to derive confidence from it. Like I couldn't feel good about myself or AS GOOD about myself without being a doctor. It was like "I'm a doctor and I'm accomplished for like and nobody can talk **** to me!" ...I really thought this way to the heart.

                                                      Well for like the last 2 months I've gotten so far away from that way of thinking and everyday tend to even go more for away from that way of thinking.

                                                      Now, I just pretty much want to be financially stable, and do something that I can live it or at least decently enjoy. I think my interests will always be evolving, so I can't like choose a common profession that I'll always be interested in.

                                                      So I'm considering just applying to dental school, cuz I view it as being much more chill, plus it will give me time to actually have a life aside from work.

                                                      I'm curious to hear what you guys have to say.

                                                      I think you should take a 20 minute walk everyday to think this over. Always helps me...Because negative forum comments are really help with this. You need positive affirmation (something from my speech class).
                                                       

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                                                        20 first time, 22 second. I think the MCAT and DAT percentiles were roughly equal the second time around. Look, I'm not trying to say the DAT is harder... I don't think it is. The tests cater to different types of test takers.

                                                        The MCAT is more analytical. Know concepts and basic science, then apply them to passages. DAT is more memorization and knowing obscure science facts--and I hate memorization.

                                                        That was my experience.

                                                        But that isn't the point of this thread. To the OP: get some serious experience in the field before diving in. Talk to as many dentists as possible and feel out how happy they are. Make sure you enjoy the setting of a dental office. You will likely be spending the next 30 years of your life in one.

                                                        jb!:)

                                                        hey thanks for the info. i'll get back to this topic after june13.
                                                         

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                                                          Thanks for the responses.

                                                          1)I HATE engineering--have shadowed a decent amount of engineers, and could not take doing not even one of what those people do, also don't want to do grad school in engineering cuz could not take what they do either, just massively boring to me.

                                                          I choose engineering to challenege myself and keep my options open. SO that if I didn't want to be a doctor or dentist I'd have somethign to fall back on.

                                                          2) I've been into this self-development thing HEAVILY since Dec. 2006, I just mentioned Tolle because he is well-known, so that i would detract people with authors they have never heard of or side track the thread.

                                                          It's just that in the last 3 months I've really hit a point of much very high, deep deep understanding and internalization.

                                                          Of course I was even in it before that too, but not getting anywhere. Lets just say I bumped into the right person in Dec. 2006 and that changed my life.

                                                          3)I have shadowed a dentists and it seemed really chill, and I liked it--look at my old post from 3-4 years ago...I only have like 12-13 posts total so it shouldn't be hard to find.

                                                          I also have been to 6-7 dentists over the last 5 years. And I indirectly learned about there lifestyle from talking to them (of course I filtered out the bull**** and bragging) and just feeling the vibe of the atmosphere.

                                                          I have never shadowed a doctor, found it very hard to do , called like 100-150 at one point and got mostly no answers back, some big bull**** responses, some responses that tried to kill my self esteem, etc etc.

                                                          Have been doing research for 3-4 years now though, and gotten to know a decent amount of academic doctors. I don't like what any of them do, it seems ridicouslous over stressful. The majority of them (not all of them) are very egotistical and there whole conversation at lunch or whatever revolves around their accomplishments and comparing themselves to others, etc. etc. whether directly or indirectly...I'm sure dentists do this to. and I'm sure you can be a doctor who doesn't do this..I know doctors like that (but this is the minority based on my expeirenc) but one thing they all share is being overworked like crazy.

                                                          Some of the established non academic doctors seem to have jobs that are OK in terms of workload, but the path to getting there is not something I really care to go thorugh anymore.


                                                          I like it much much much more than engineering.

                                                          I want a job that involves working with people that's why I like dentistry and medicine

                                                          But medicine seems to be too much work in terms of getting there, and even when you are there, enjoying life.

                                                          I would like to travel a lot and I don't see how a doctor could do that...well aside from the academic ones who do the conferences, but I don't want to be involved in writing papers and ****, I hate that.

                                                          I thought I wanted but I realized that was just becaues I wanted to be the most hard to get to positions (such as academic medicine)

                                                          I was originally planning to be a dentist, but then I became more and more "wanting"--I wanted to be the "best" in terms of socities (superficial) standards. That's what ultimately led me to want to be a doctor.

                                                          Finally, I see my interests forever evolving (another poster showed fear of this) and think this will always happen. I don't think you can escape it if you are being real with yourself. So that's another reason why I want to pursue dentistry so that I can have another life on the side or do other things on the side whereas being a doctor would seem to take up all my tiem and life.


                                                          Hi! I'm actually impressed by your genuine words.... and thanks for sharing with us your true thoughts. I've been thinking and going through the same things and didn't know we are all deeply connected (you know what I mean if you read those spiritual books).

                                                          Yea, I've gone through some emotional breakdown for the past two years and came cross some spiritual books like the ones from Eckhart Tolle. I'm very surprised and at the same time excited to hear your interest too! Do you mind list the other books that have influenced you? I must admit that these books have transformed my perspectives about life and made me a more positive, loving, and mature person.

                                                          Could you share more of how those ideas have changed your life?
                                                           

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                                                            lol, have you ever worked in geology?? you'll be lucky if u break 100k after 10yrs. and finance?? work 80hrs/wk and maybe you'll be promoted after 5yrs to the kind of job where you make 500k/yr and still work 80hrs/wk. there is really nothing better than dentistry/medicine in terms of financial security right now. only enterpreneurs, professional athletes, actors can beat them.

                                                            Finally! Yes, you are completely correct. Many people make more money, but almost nobody is certain to make that much.

                                                            Which explains why it is so competitive.
                                                             

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                                                              If you want easy, go to med school...they go to class for 4 hours a day. Meds at my school laugh at us because we are always in class and have to work so hard...not that medical school is easy by any means, but just wait till you try to be competitive in dental school. Its not just books anymore
                                                               

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                                                                Finally! Yes, you are completely correct. Many people make more money, but almost nobody is certain to make that much.

                                                                Which explains why it is so competitive.

                                                                Even dentists are NOT certain to make X amount...thats why some dentists make waaaaay more then other dentists b/c nothing is certain...
                                                                 

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                                                                  full, basically if you go to med school and end up in radiology or dermatology it will be better than dentistry. but if you dont, then it will be much worse.

                                                                  It would be more logical to compare OMFS and Ortho to derm and Rads, for life style, income, etc... But in the end you have to what you enjoy. Do you like medicine or dentistry. If you are not very skilled with your hands don't be a dentist, be a doctor. If you like medicine that is cool, just don't come on the dental forum running you mouth like you know it all, you start to sound ignorant. Sorry in advance you got me a little upset.:mad:
                                                                   

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                                                                    If you want easy, go to med school...they go to class for 4 hours a day. Meds at my school laugh at us because we are always in class and have to work so hard...not that medical school is easy by any means, but just wait till you try to be competitive in dental school. Its not just books anymore

                                                                    Well played sir! lol
                                                                     

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                                                                      I seriously cannot stand when people just rotate between all the "doctor-type" money-making jobs, and then when the going goes tough, usually go to dentistry thinking that it'll be the easiest way of them becoming a doctor. Or it's their alternative when they want to be a doctor, but don't want to work a lot. I'm not saying this is you personally, I'm just talking in general here!

                                                                      Yes the better lifestyle/better money is a plus, but I want to do dentistry because I love it for it! If being a physician paid more and the hours decreased, I still would never switch to med school! But a lot of ppl would!!

                                                                      True, some people do actually make the switch for real, and find their passion in dentistry (even if they THOUGHT they wanted med school) and I respect that, but others just seem to switch bc all they care about is becoming a doctor the easy way!

                                                                      care to explain why you love it?
                                                                       

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                                                                        Today. I saw on the medical boards that the OP is now finishing medical school and is wondering what residency to do. He ended up either finishing or dropping out of dental to go to medical school.

                                                                        Think about that:

                                                                        PreMedicine (08) --> PreDental (08) ---> Dental school---> Medical School ---> Who knows!:eek:

                                                                        Sometimes our first instinct is the most correct. Dont get sucked into self help stuff like the OP did.

                                                                        So for the last 3-4 months, I've been listening (audiobooks) to a lot of Echkart Tolle and other authors who talk about EGO.

                                                                        I absolutely love this stuff, and it's changed my life like crazy. This stuff is freakin' AWESOME.

                                                                        The way I look at the world had TOTALLY changed. WOW!

                                                                        Before coming across this stuff I wanted to have SO MUCH MONEY. I wanted a mansion in beverly hills, a ferrari, etc etc. I wanted to go to the absolute top--being a neuro or heart surgeon. I was wiling to spend extra years in residency (like do multiple post docs, or internal med residiences first) if I couldn't immediatly qualifly for those residencies. I was in this mindset for like 2 yrs.

                                                                        Anyway, the last 3 months I realized how much of a joke that was, and how I was basing my happiness and mood on external things.

                                                                        So now I'm like why do I want to put my body through so much stress just to be crowned by everyone as "the ****"?

                                                                        I don't.

                                                                        And I thikn that the route of being a doctor is gonna be so "tooling"--from my new perspective, would feel like a tool --like I'm gonna work my *** off just for some little validation from people.

                                                                        Sure You can help people by being a doctor, but ultamately I think most of helping people comes from subtilities in your energy levels that you project out to the world--in other words your vibe(you probably won't understand whta I'm talking about unless you have done massive reading in self-development)

                                                                        I've already spent 5 yrs in engineering, and it was hell, and I actually enjoyed it, or at least thought I did for most of the time, and learned alot from it...and I don't regret it at all cuz I wouldn't be the same person now.

                                                                        But I don't think I would enjoy doing it again, and I'm glad I went through it because I delevoped alot of insight about myself and how the people work.

                                                                        I realized by working my *** off and wanting my partners in group projects to work their *** off when they were over worked and not down to so, I was actually radiating negative energy (egoic) in the world. (this is just a random example it's not like I'm mournign over this)

                                                                        I've really questioned whether I want to be a doctor, because I am pretty sure that I just wanted to be a doctor for validation--meaning to prove to the world that i am worthy and important and to derive confidence from it. Like I couldn't feel good about myself or AS GOOD about myself without being a doctor. It was like "I'm a doctor and I'm accomplished for like and nobody can talk **** to me!" ...I really thought this way to the heart.

                                                                        Well for like the last 2 months I've gotten so far away from that way of thinking and everyday tend to even go more for away from that way of thinking.

                                                                        Now, I just pretty much want to be financially stable, and do something that I can live it or at least decently enjoy. I think my interests will always be evolving, so I can't like choose a common profession that I'll always be interested in.

                                                                        So I'm considering just applying to dental school, cuz I view it as being much more chill, plus it will give me time to actually have a life aside from work.

                                                                        I'm curious to hear what you guys have to say.
                                                                         
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                                                                          Today. I saw on the medical boards that the OP is now finishing medical school and is wondering what residency to do. He ended up either finishing or dropping out of dental to go to medical school.

                                                                          Think about that:

                                                                          PreMedicine (08) --> PreDental (08) ---> Dental school---> Medical School ---> Who knows!:eek:

                                                                          Sometimes our first instinct is the most correct. Dont get sucked into self help stuff like the OP did.


                                                                          LOL @ getting career advice from a guy who dropped out of school and just sat on a park bench for a decade
                                                                           
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