Quote from Serenade ---- Let me rephrase and inject some sanity into this post. Do you want to get measles and actually have a risk for inflammation of the brain or do you want to get 3 doses of a shot that has no utterly no risk of damage?
Congratulations, you found one statement I made that had one point that could be perceived as wrong if taken in the wrong context. Well done. Do you want me to post everything you've said that has been shot down as bs? Because I could probably fill an entire page with it.
Anyway, here's an excerpt from the CDC. Notice the bold, underlined, italicized part at the end.
MMR vaccine side-effects
(Measles, Mumps, and Rubella)
What are the risks from MMR vaccine?
A vaccine, like any medicine, is capable of causing serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions.
The risk of MMR vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely small.
Getting MMR vaccine is much safer than getting measles, mumps or rubella.
Most people who get MMR vaccine do not have any serious problems with it.
Mild Problems
- Fever (up to 1 person out of 6)
- Mild rash (about 1 person out of 20)
- Swelling of glands in the cheeks or neck (about 1 person out of 75)
If these problems occur, it is usually within 7-12 days after the shot. They occur less often after the second dose.
Moderate Problems
- Seizure (jerking or staring) caused by fever (about 1 out of 3,000 doses)
- Temporary pain and stiffness in the joints, mostly in teenage or adult women (up to 1 out of 4)
- Temporary low platelet count, which can cause a bleeding disorder (about 1 out of 30,000 doses)
Severe Problems (Very Rare)
- Serious allergic reaction (less than 1 out of a million doses)
- Several other severe problems have been reported after a child gets MMR vaccine, including:
- Deafness
- Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness
- Permanent brain damage
These are so rare that it is hard to tell whether they are caused by the vaccine.
Before you chime in with the "well it's still possible!!" argument, I'll just say of course it is. That's why phase 4 trials continue to document adverse affects after any drug or vaccine is put on the market. So we can have a better understanding of the extent of the effectiveness and its safetly profile. And FYI, these trials are ongoing for every FDA approved drug on the market, so your potential argument of "well they should do those studies for vaccines" are also invalid.
And if somebody wants to stay inside to avoid a meteorite that's their prerogative. Likewise, if somebody does not want to get vaccinated it is also their right.
That is the only argument I am posing. When the situation is not risk free you you cannot fault someone for choosing the other option.
LOL, are you delusional or do you just have a 5 second memory? You've made numerous claims other than that including that OPV is causing more cases of polio than it's curing in India and that Wakefield never proposed that vaccines caused autism (I'll include a little excerpt from his retracted paper which shows he inferred exactly that). And yes, you absolutely fault someone for choosing an option that is not risk free if the other option carries far more significant risks, especially if those risks extend beyond themselves.
I'll say this, I'm not bashing you because of what you proposed. I'm not bashing you because you were wrong. I'm slamming you because you continually choose to defend a viewpoint that has been shown through overwhelming amounts of evidence to be blatantly wrong. In spite of countless attempts to show you legitimate data and studies, you still refuse to admit you're wrong about anything! You just find some point that you can take out of context and try to twist the argument to make yourself right, which you almost never have been here. This is not the thought process of a scientist. This is the thought process of millions of self-righteously driven individuals who support cause X because it's just what they believe. This thought process is not only a dangerous one for a physician to have, it's flat out unacceptable.
FINDINGS:
Onset of behavioural symptoms was associated, by the parents, with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination in eight of the 12 children, with measles infection in one child, and otitis media in another. All 12 children had intestinal abnormalities, ranging from lymphoid nodular hyperplasia to aphthoid ulceration. Histology showed patchy chronic inflammation in the colon in 11 children and reactive ileal lymphoid hyperplasia in seven, but no granulomas. Behavioural disorders included autism (nine), disintegrative psychosis (one), and possible postviral or vaccinal encephalitis (two). There were no focal neurological abnormalities and MRI and EEG tests were normal. Abnormal laboratory results were significantly raised urinary methylmalonic acid compared with age-matched controls (p=0.003), low haemoglobin in four children, and a low serum IgA in four children.
And the actual article:
http://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lancet/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0.pdf
Read the final paragraph on page 640 where he explicitly states "the combined measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine (rather than monovalent measles vaccine) has been implicated." in reference to a cause of autistic disorders.
