Programs that have nurses/PAs supervising or training residents

[MacGyver]

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Its well known that there are a few programs out there who have PAs or NPs supervising/training residents. I've heard of one place where the evaluations for the residents are WRITTEN BY PAs.

I want to know where these places are so I can cross them off my list for residency match. Let the FMGs deal with that crap.

 

[dry dre]

Its well known that there are a few programs out there who have PAs or NPs supervising/training residents. I've heard of one place where the evaluations for the residents are WRITTEN BY PAs.

I want to know where these places are so I can cross them off my list for residency match. Let the FMGs deal with that crap.

Some maturity is in order here.

With the relatively new mandated 360 evaluations, every evaluates everyone. If you have a problem with this, your Axis II line probably isn't blank.

Regarding anyone "training" me, if they have knowledge that's useful, I'm all ears. I've personally learned a lot from wound care non-docs, and a lot of vent management nuances from RTs (as a couple examples).

If you find a program where staff MDs do all the wound care and sit next to the vent all day, let me know so I never accept a job offer from there.

Regarding FMGs, grow up dude. In my personal experience, I've never met a stellar student who gets off on berating FMGs. I'd rather work next to a dedicated and smart FMG than a sub-stellar lazy American grad with a sense of entitlement who, more often than not, has a relatively poor fund of knowledge and lazy work ethic. For reference, I'm an ortho resident who graduated near the top of my class.

 

[SoCuteMD]

Its well known that there are a few programs out there who have PAs or NPs supervising/training residents. I've heard of one place where the evaluations for the residents are WRITTEN BY PAs.

I want to know where these places are so I can cross them off my list for residency match. Let the FMGs deal with that crap.

SERIOUSLY...grow up! Just because you will EVENTUALLY outrank NP/PAs doesn't mean that you know more than them the day you start intern year (what was the quote on another thread: "Interns are just medical students with long coats and drug licenses").

 

[usnavdoc]

SERIOUSLY...grow up! Just because you will EVENTUALLY outrank NP/PAs doesn't mean that you know more than them the day you start intern year (what was the quote on another thread: "Interns are just medical students with long coats and drug licenses").

Thats complete Bull Sh... I dont know why people keep quoting that stupid phrase which was started by a non-physician for self gratification. The long coat and liscense comes with graduation as does alot of responsibility that you simply do not have as a med student. You are not looked on by attendings or patients as a med student and should never think of yourself as one or let others do that either. When in your opinion Socute are physicians physicians? After residency? Fellowship? That is complete crap.

I agree learn from whoever you can because plenty of people that are not MDs have something to teach you out of pure experience alone. But I would never go to a place that my primary supervisors are non-physicians. This is not out of spite or a superiority complex, But a place that the attendings and other senior residents dont have the time or desire to teach is not where you should want to be.

Ill be a CA1 this july. I would love to learn all I can from a CRNA. I have no issues admitting that at my current level they know more than I do. But I should not accept that the CRNA is my only source of knowledge or experience to draw upon for my education either.

A Non-physician has no business being the primary supervisor of a physician.

 

[SoCuteMD]

Thats complete Bull Sh... I dont know why people keep quoting that stupid phrase which was started by a non-physician for self gratification. The long coat and liscense comes with graduation as does alot of responsibility that you simply do not have as a med student. You are not looked on by attendings or patients as a med student and should never think of yourself as one or let others do that either. When in your opinion Socute are physicians physicians? After residency? Fellowship? That is complete crap.

I agree learn from whoever you can because plenty of people that are not MDs have something to teach you out of pure experience alone. But I would never go to a place that my primary supervisors are non-physicians. This is not out of spite or a superiority complex, But a place that the attendings and other senior residents dont have the time or desire to teach is not where you should want to be.

Ill be a CA1 this july. I would love to learn all I can from a CRNA. I have no issues admitting that at my current level they know more than I do. But I should not accept that the CRNA is my only source of knowledge or experience to draw upon for my education either.

A Non-physician has no business being the primary supervisor of a physician.

I never said they weren't physicians. I think it's a good reminder that just because there's an extra piece of paper on your wall and a few more in your filing cabinet that you are the same person (with the same knowledge) on "July 1" as you were on June 30. I think having non-MDs as the primary supervisor is probably NOT a great idea (and notice that I never said anything about it, I only said that I felt NP/PA would have a lot to teach me early in my career). As an example, one of my best friends has been in EMS for 10 years and just started PA school in August. He will be out and practicing long before I am. If he were teaching me during my intern, PGY-1, PGY-2, or PGY-3 year (assuming I end up in a 3 year EM program) you can bet I'd listen and soak up every ounce of wisdom he had to offer as well as any evaluation of my performance.