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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by BUmiken12, Jun 20, 2002.

  1. BUmiken12

    BUmiken12 Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Okay, well I just talked to one of my friends, and she had the great news that she's been accepted to SLU WITH SCHOLARSHIP. It doesn't matter that her GPA is sub-par or that she didn't even get above a 25 on her MCAT, all that matters is that her boyfriend's dad is on the freaking admissions board there. She's doing research with the guy this summer and he told her not to worry about getting in and don't even stress about the AMCAS...he told her to get it in just whenever she can. Just a nice story to get everyone's day going....
     
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  3. imtiaz

    imtiaz i cant translate stupid Moderator Emeritus 10+ Year Member

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    yeah, it happens. welcome to the real world :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
  4. none

    none 1K Member 10+ Year Member

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    I think it's pretty rare.
     
  5. MSTP boy

    MSTP boy Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Yup, I've a friend who applied to 19 schools, didn't even get secondaries back from all of them. But he got one interview, from the place his dad graduated from...and they accepted him! coincidence? :)

    But I don't think connections will you carry through the MCAT very easily, nor will they overcome your glaring faults at adcom review sessions.
     
  6. Spidey

    Spidey Leorl's official stalker 7+ Year Member

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    Hmmm maybe I should start sleeping with the daughter of someone on the admissions board :0

    Actually most fathers hate the guy their daughter is dating... damn it!
     
  7. Hero

    Hero Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    *sigh* i hope they focus hard to become a good physician. I pitty the patients. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
     
  8. Sweet Tea

    Sweet Tea Girl Next Door Physician 10+ Year Member

    :mad: :mad: :mad: stories like this piss me off. i'm so glad to know that some adcoms are looking out for their future patients (sarcasm).

    on a completely unrelated note... MSTP boy you stole my Patch Adams quote!!!! :p
     
  9. Angeliqua

    Angeliqua Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BUmiken12:
    <strong>Okay, well I just talked to one of my friends, and she had the great news that she's been accepted to SLU WITH SCHOLARSHIP. It doesn't matter that her GPA is sub-par or that she didn't even get above a 25 on her MCAT, all that matters is that her boyfriend's dad is on the freaking admissions board there. She's doing research with the guy this summer and he told her not to worry about getting in and don't even stress about the AMCAS...he told her to get it in just whenever she can. Just a nice story to get everyone's day going....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">do I understand this correctly? They have accepted her and she hasn't even submitted the AMCAS?!?! Unbelievable. It is amazing that one person on an admissions committee has that much say.
    <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
     
  10. Pneumo

    Pneumo Member 7+ Year Member

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    Take everything with a grain of salt (or two).
     
  11. Nuclearrabbit

    Nuclearrabbit Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    sleeping with your interviewer may help you gain admission as well. try it you'll see.
     
  12. trouta

    trouta Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    CONNECTIONS DO NOT MEAN EVERYTHING...

    I know someone who had the governor of their state call the adcom in their favor and they still didnt get in (they had decent stats that got them in elsewhere).
     
  13. jasjaz

    jasjaz Member 7+ Year Member

    I agree with Trouta... connections certainly do not mean everything. It may help, but in the end you will still be at the mercy of the adcom who can easily do whatever they want. It's certainly understandly to do whatever you can though to get that foot in the door for the hope that maybe it just might help. So for those people who do have connections out there, best of luck to you and I sincerely hope that it helps.
     
  14. rainmkre

    rainmkre Junior Member 7+ Year Member

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    yeah...that's fu**ed up..
     
  15. vixen

    vixen I like members 10+ Year Member

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    um, of course the senator thing doesn't matter...its not directly related to the people who make the decision...I'm sure they were impressed, but it still means jack. To actually have direction connections to an adcom, I think makes a big difference, unfortunately <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />
     
  16. Jadeite

    Jadeite Thought Puddle 7+ Year Member

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    My mum is an alumni of my state med school and she sends in her membership dues every year, but all I got was the bottom third of the waitlist!

    Ah well, It's ok, admissions *SHOULD* be fair. Just *knowing* someone does not a good doctor make.

    Jade~
     
  17. Doctora Foxy

    Doctora Foxy Meow 7+ Year Member

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    1) Connections don't always work, and this type of thing is pretty rare

    2) If a person enters med school who is not qualified or incapable of handling it, he/she won't pass anyway. They will still have to go through everything like everyone else.

    3) Additionally, I don't feel like I'm competing against people who have connections, so it doesn't really bother me. In the real world, things like this happen all the time. :rolleyes:
     
  18. jmejia1

    jmejia1 Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by trouta:
    <strong>CONNECTIONS DO NOT MEAN EVERYTHING...

    I know someone who had the governor of their state call the adcom in their favor and they still didnt get in (they had decent stats that got them in elsewhere).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I don't consider that "connections". Connections are from the inside. Connections aren't everything, but THEY DO WEIGHT. I know this one guy. I overheard him talking about he knew someone on Stanfords comittee and was hoping to pull some strings. Of course, I was laughing inside, thinking he was full of ****. Well, turns out he got accepted to Stanford. Wierd thing is he didn't land a single interview at any of the UCs. If he got into Stanford on his own merit, I would've assumed he was good enough to land at least one UC interview.
     
  19. Ryo-Ohki

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    This makes me sick.

    Putting personal issues above what he was paid to do....This guy should be fired from his job.
     
  20. futrfysician

    futrfysician Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryo-Ohki:
    <strong>This makes me sick.

    Putting personal issues above what he was paid to do....This guy should be fired from his job.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Grow up dude.

    Your altruistic understanding, or maybe lack thereof, of the world shows. People get ahead by connections and people they know secondhand all the time. Someone will get a job over you at XCV Hospital as chief of surgery or whatever because they knew the interviewer long ago in kindergarten. Nothing you can do about it.

    Life is not fair. Welcome to adulthood.

    Cheers.
    :p
     
  21. wgu

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    Do people get away with these unfair practices? Yes, I think so. But I'd also agree with Doctora Foxy: "2) If a person enters med school who is not qualified or incapable of handling it, he/she won't pass anyway. They will still have to go through everything like everyone else. " I think that applies to life in general though. If they must depend on others to make it big, they'll be hindered in their character development.
     
  22. trout

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    I have to admit this is just part of the process, and I know this happens all the time. Some schools even have a seperate category called "special interest" who may be minorities, legacies, someone from inside the school wrote a LOR for them, the did a grad program there etc...I had multiple people offer to get call so and so on the committee...I turned them down personally because i didn't want to end up at a school I wouldn't fit in...if you guys think this is bad wait until residency when your chairman, if they like you, can pick up the phone and make a phone call...it becomes an even smaller and more political world ever step we come...
    As much as I agree with Dra. Foxy you will quickly learn that it is harder to fail out of med school than to get in...and a couple of others G or P =MD....what do you call someone who graduates last in the medical school class?....Doctor.
    It is a remarkable process that only 10% fail step one of the boards (and that includes all foreign graduates) once you get into the system you are almost guarenteed to get out....
     
  23. SilverAngel1110

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    Over the river...
    Connections are connections... Some people have them, some people don't. That's just life.
     
  24. Alli Cat

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    I have a funny story about connections...

    There's a woman in my lab whose husband is on the admissions committee for an osteopathic school that I wasn't particularly interested in. I talked to him ONCE about med school in general, and now he keeps bugging me about going to "his" school, and telling me I'm exactly what they're looking for, etc. He has basically told me that he can assure my acceptance. I don't want to insult him, but I don't want to go to his school at all!

    Plus, he volunteered to read my PS and totally missed the point of my essay.

    Basically, I am saying that this would-be "connection" is just a big pain in my butt.

    <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> a useful connection... now that I could use. <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />

    ~Alison
     
  25. Bikini Princess

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by futrfysician:
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    Life is not fair.

    Cheers.
    :p </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This is true - life is not fair; but that doesn't mean there aren't things we can do to make it more fair.. :) ie civil rights, etc. :)
     
  26. Ryo-Ohki

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    futrfysician, Do you live in the US? Do you enjoy our system that allows us to have the world's best standard of living?

    How do you think we arrived at this point? Just sitting back and allowing injustices to happen? No, we are great because we strive AGAINST injustices. At least some of us do. Is this your attitude towards everything? How about the Enron issue? Those middle class employees that got screwed? Too bad for them, right? Life isn't fair. Executives will always have golden parachutes.

    How about the 60's civil rights movement? It isn't fair that blacks have to drink out of different water foundations? Too bad. Blacks will never be equal with whites.

    I suggest YOU grow up and stop taking things for granted. Apathetic people like you should be thankful that there are people who care enough about this country to try to make it better.
     
  27. Spiderman [RNA Ladder 2003]

    Spiderman [RNA Ladder 2003] Platinum Member 7+ Year Member

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    Injustices... I am sure that most of people on this board would go to John Hopkins if you got in, based on a so called "connections." And you would not call it an injustice then though.

    Here is a real story. One time I went to talk to asistant dean of admissions at a school I do not want to name. I had really nice converstation. I noticed that there was an MD waiting outside (door was open). When the dean noticed him, he went out ot talk outside the room to talk to him. They started talking and by intonation I understood that they knew each other pretty well. Here is what an MD said "This is ... &lt;name&gt; and she works with me. She is an undergrad student from ... University and needs to get into med school. What do you need to do get her in?" The dean said that he wanted to talk to the girl and he had someone he was talking to (me). There was another person waiting in the hallway. I noticed that the dean was kind of wanting to finish up with me (we were talking for about 20 min and he was talking for about 40 mins with the person before me). When we walked out into the hallway, he started looking for the girl but she was gone. It was stupid enough for her to do that since the MD introduced her specifically told the dean that she was going to wait outside.

    I am sure that there are some people who get because of the "connections," however the number are small in comparison to the total number of seats available. I do not have this kind of connections but I would've used them if I had it. I am sure that most of people this board would do the same.
     
  28. Mutterkuchen

    Mutterkuchen Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Welcome to the real world. You will find this at every stage of physician life. When you apply for residency, people with connections will have an advantage. Also, when you are looking for real jobs or pursuing fellowships. Don't worry though, it is not exclusive to medicine. It is true for every job and every profession. I'm not saying that everyone has connections, but having them helps in every industry. It's a fact of life.
     
  29. Blazed

    Blazed Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    Lets be real... in the real world it is not what you know, but who you know. Connections definitely mean a lot. I don't like it, but I know it is the truth.
     
  30. UCLA2000

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    Connections definately help out in life. The way I see it, you have to learn how to play the game. Some of you really need to learn how to network.

    The way I see it, getting into med school is like playing chess. If you plan out what you're going to do before you do it, then you usually have a better outcome in the end.

    For example, at UCLA it is not hard to find out who is on the adcom. You can also find out who teaches at the med school.

    Rather than volunteer in some random lab, why not volunteer in the lab of someone with some pull! Rather than shadow any random physician, why not shadow a physician who teaches at the med school.

    Another interesting little tidbit of info is that people who are on the adcom generally know the other people on it....and if they like you...they'll introduce you to them. Chances are that after you interview they'll even go and put in a good word to your interviewer about you.

    By the time I applied to med school I knew ALOT of the people on the adcom at UCLA. Why? Because I took the time and effort to MAKE the CONNECTIONS.

    Work smarter...not harder!
     
  31. BushBaby

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    Case #1:

    My friends and I just came back spain last week paying $800 for plane tickets. One of the my friend's close family friend has a very nice position at british airways and guess what.....after she told him about our trip (we bought the tickets already) he gave us 50% on our $800 tickets (woohoo money back!!!)and upgraded us to first class(we had beds and were invited to first class lounge) round trip.....!!!!!

    Case #2:
    Two summers ago I needed a job (after graduating from College) and my friend's brother worked with this newspaper press in NYC....well one phone call and I got me a J-O-B. No interview needed....woohoo.

    Case #3:

    I was about to graduate from college when I received a letter that I needed to take another advance bio class in order to "graduate". I knew I was missing a 3 credit bio class but I thought I could fool the system. Well I guessed wrong. Anyway I called the head of the bio department ( a buddy buddy and old professor of mine) and boom....he just entered some class in there, gave me a grade and told me to have a great summer.

    Connections DO MEAN EVERYTHING, it can make your life easier trust me. It's not fair but sometimes it's "who" you know NOT "what" you know.
     
  32. scootad.

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    Connections help bigtime. I know lots of people who benefitted from it. A friend of mine with a low GPA (3.1) and low MCAT (~26) got accepted to the school at which her father teaches but got no other acceptances.

    Another friend was on a waitlist at a top 25 known to have many people on the list and found out that his girlfriends' aunt knew someone with pull and asked her to put in a good word for him.
    The next week he got his acceptance letter. (and he never sent in one letter of intent).

    Connections help.
     
  33. relatively prime

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by BushBaby:
    <strong>Case #3:

    I was about to graduate from college when I received a letter that I needed to take another advance bio class in order to "graduate". I knew I was missing a 3 credit bio class but I thought I could fool the system. Well I guessed wrong. Anyway I called the head of the bio department ( a buddy buddy and old professor of mine) and boom....he just entered some class in there, gave me a grade and told me to have a great summer.

    </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok, case one and two are ok, but this is just disgusting. This is just so unethical and corrupt it makes me want to puke. It's a shame that people like you and your buddy-professor have be a part of any academic institution. And the thought that you might enter medical school just makes me sick.

    I don't mind if someone on the borderline gets pushed to the acceptance side by a connection... but getting accepted JUST because of a connection is just wrong. I don't think that happens that often anyway. Not many premeds have parents that teach at medical schools... so I don't think strong connections even exist that often.

    I've known just as many cases of people with connections who got rejected.

    One of the things that makes this country so great is that there's ~relatively~ little corruption. I don't think that we as a society should embrace this "connection" phenomenon. I personally wouldn't want to be accepted to a school just because of a connection and I don't think any of you should want to either.
     
  34. scootad.

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    well, i don't find case #3 so horrible since it was only one 3 credit course. you've obviously demonstrated you can handle the rest college has to offer. but i agree its a slippery slope. if it was somthing like missing 2 or 3 classes then yes, I'd find it very corrupt.
     
  35. relatively prime

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by scootad.:
    <strong>well, i don't find case #3 so horrible since it was only one 3 credit course. you've obviously demonstrated you can handle the rest college has to offer. but i agree its a slippery slope. if it was somthing like missing 2 or 3 classes then yes, I'd find it very corrupt.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">It doesn't matter... it's the principle of it. Don't forget the professor actually gave her a fake grade too. These things just shouldn't happen. Any way you look at it, it's cheating. It's wrong and it's corrupt. Chances are that this isn't the only time this professor has done this. Such things threaten the integrity of the entire department and the university. If I were the president of that school I'd fire that professor in a heart beat... senior-ed or not.
     
  36. 2badr

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    lola Bovine Member 7+ Year Member

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    since you knew you were missing the bio course, why didn't you take it? did you just find out right before you were graduating? you were very lucky that someone did you a favor. i doubt this happens very often.
     
  38. SicVic

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryo-Ohki:
    <strong>futrfysician, Do you live in the US? Do you enjoy our system that allows us to have the world's best standard of living?
    </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The U.S. does not have the best standard of living - Sweden does.
    According to the (The World Conservation Union)- the U.S. is actually the 27th. <a href="http://www.iucn.org/info_and_news/press/wbon.html" target="_blank">here</a>
    Okay done with that part.

    But I agree we should not always let things slide and believe nothing can be done about blatant injustices.
    But, we as humans run and point out injustices of others but we dont start with looking at our actions.

    Remember the Golden Rule - Do unto others , as you would like others to do unto you.

    Anyway - this topic was about connections - in getting to med. school not civil right movements.
    HEy as the saying goes - sometimes "its who you know." and life is never going to be fair. Peace :cool:
     
  39. BushBaby

    BushBaby Nipplelina 10+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by scootad.:
    <strong>well, i don't find case #3 so horrible since it was only one 3 credit course. you've obviously demonstrated you can handle the rest college has to offer. but i agree its a slippery slope. if it was somthing like missing 2 or 3 classes then yes, I'd find it very corrupt.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you Scootad... <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" />

    Chill out relatively Prime.
    It's only one lousy 3 credit class and an ELECTIVE at that! It's not like I was missing Anatomy or physics or Orgo and trying to get away with it. I could have completed the bio elective if they hadn't signed me up for stupid dance class (another elective/excuse to get my money). Anyway I didn't lose sleep on this, and I am glad the prof did it for me because I had full scholarship which was only valid if I was a full time student(12 credits). For me to take this class during the summer(3 credit doesn't qualify as full-time) would mean I would have to pay almost $1900 (yes that's $600 a credit at my school plus other fees). Now $1900 might not be much to you but it's a back breaker for a recent graduate with no job.
     
  40. BushBaby

    BushBaby Nipplelina 10+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by lola:
    <strong>since you knew you were missing the bio course, why didn't you take it? did you just find out right before you were graduating? you were very lucky that someone did you a favor. i doubt this happens very often.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I knew I was missing the elective but NOBODY brought it up, not even my advisor and he made my graduation arrangement while checking that my class requirements were in check. So he said "okay" and I said "okay". Then I graduated, got an award and came back to pic up my diploma and the office lady is like "uh uh honey you ain't done". Imagine my surprise. I explained this to the bio professor and he understood and he "hooked" me up after the school tried "f'ing" me up.
     
  41. relatively prime

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    It's not your advisor's responsibility to make sure you take all the classes you need to take to graduate. This isn't high school, it's college. It was your responsibility to take all the courses you needed to take. What you and your professor did was wrong and corrupt. You can argue over HOW wrong or corrupt it was... but to any degree, it wasn't right, and certainly not something to be proud of.
     
  42. BushBaby

    BushBaby Nipplelina 10+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by relatively prime:
    <strong>My Lord... and this helped you keep a scholarship you should have lost?! This story just keeps getting worse... I don't even want to hear anymore... it's too disturbing. Maybe you should try taking an ethics class if you can squeeze it in.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">NO NO NO you aren't getting this. I graduated in MAY so my scholarship was up anyway. I signed the money/papers away the day I attended the graduation ceremony. Then I learnt that I had to go back to summer school for one more class. I called the scholarship office and they explained that they don't cover summer school expense for a number of reasons (not enough funds, it's not full time, blah blah). So I had to pay for this out of pocket! Yeah RIGHT!
    I am not Bill Gate's daughter ya know! And I can't ask my mom for money, she works two jobs and goes to school...I am not trying to stress her out with my bills.
    And I didn't call the prof to ask him to "hook" me up. I explained it to him because the only summer I&II bio class were closed and I wasn't about to wait until fall uh uh. I knew him and I called to see if he can squeeze me into his class or I will do independent study, but after hearing my delimma with the bills he just decided to give me a graduation present. Don't hate...!
     
  43. BushBaby

    BushBaby Nipplelina 10+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by relatively prime:
    <strong>It's not your advisor's responsibility to make sure you take all the classes you need to take to graduate. This isn't high school, it's college. It was your responsibility to take all the courses you needed to take. What you and your professor did was wrong and corrupt. You can argue over HOW wrong or corrupt it was... but to any degree, it wasn't right, and certainly not something to be proud of.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">N E WAY....I am happy because I didn't have to take the class during the fall and I saved money.
    Sticking to the topic of the thread..... I am telling this story not to be PROUD but to demonstrate how "WHO" you know can help and does matter.
     
  44. scootad.

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    Sheesh. Everyone needs to take some valium. This isn't that big of a deal.

    Relatively Prime, maybe you can help her weave this experience into her personal statement. :D
     
  45. BushBaby

    BushBaby Nipplelina 10+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by scootad.:
    <strong>

    Relatively Prime, maybe you can help her weave this experience into her personal statement. :D </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">LOL <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[Laughy]" title="" src="graemlins/laughy.gif" />
     
  46. relatively prime

    relatively prime post happy member 7+ Year Member

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    Yeah I caught that after I posted... that's why I deleted the post.

    I'm not hating... I just can't believe that you don't think this was wrong. I can't honestly say that if I was in your position I wouldn't have done the same thing... but at least I would have been ashamed and most likely lost a lot of sleep over it. Probably most people would have done the say thing... but I think most people would have FELT BAD ABOUT IT! My point is that you shouldn't be convincing yourself that this was OK!

    You have no regrets, you don't even think it was wrong... that's the part that disturbs me.

    It's not what you did that I think was so terrible... it's the fact that you don't seem to find ~anything~ wrong with it. You felt more than comfortable sharing it with God and everybody. Like you said... you didn't even loose any sleep over it.
     
  47. DrBlueDevil

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    My take on the whole thing is that if you cheat your way through the system (i.e. use connections to get in somewhere you can't otherwise), you're going to end up competing with people far more capable than you are, and you'll be miserable trying to keep up. Further, you can't cheat your way through treating patients, so if you're SERIOUSLY incompetent, then your career will end quickly. In any case, I believe that if you sneak your way into a school or career you don't deserve, you're just gonna end up paying one way or another.

    And MAN! Bushbaby..that's ridiculous. Unless your prof just gave you a C, chances are the grade pushed you ahead of another student at your school in overall rank. Not fair at all. It's interesting to see you try to diminish the magnitude of the situation by calling the advanced bio class an "elective." As if that's supposed to make it any less corrupt or unfair.

    What made me write this post is seeing you explain how the school tried to f*** you up. What the hell kind of attitude is that??? Hypothetical situation: What happens when a patient presents with symptoms that seem to indicate one disease, you prescribe what you think is the right treatment, and it ends up hurting the patient because you didn't notice some nuance that would have made you realize a different course of action should have been taken. Your being handed a diploma doesn't bother me nearly as much as your unwillingness to take responsibility for your situation.
     
  48. relatively prime

    relatively prime post happy member 7+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by DrBlueDevil:
    <strong>Your being handed a diploma doesn't bother me nearly as much as your unwillingness to take responsibility for your situation.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thank you! That is my problem too. Everyone screws up now and then. But I believe what's most important is to recognize where we went wrong and to take responsibility... and if possible trying to right those wrongs.
     
  49. BushBaby

    BushBaby Nipplelina 10+ Year Member

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    </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by relatively prime:
    <strong>Yeah I caught that after I posted... that's why I deleted the post.

    I'm not hating... I just can't believe that you don't think this was wrong. I can't honestly say that if I was in your position I wouldn't have done the same thing... but at least I would have been ashamed and most likely lost a lot of sleep over it. Probably most people would have done the say thing... but I think most people would have FELT BAD ABOUT IT! My point is that you shouldn't be convincing yourself that this was OK!

    You have no regrets, you don't even think it was wrong... that's the part that disturbs me.

    It's not what you did that I think was so terrible... it's the fact that you don't seem to find ~anything~ wrong with it. You felt more than comfortable sharing it with God and everybody. Like you said... you didn't even loose any sleep over it.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">As far as losing sleep, I have other far more important things in my life and in life in general (9/11 events/terrorism, trouble in the middle east, poverty/death in my native country, sick relatives, getting into medical school, etc etc) to lose sleep over.

    Well I am sorry but I don't feel bad about not taking the class. Should I have stopped the professor and insisted on coming back in the fall to take the class? and pay for it (adding to my credit card debt)? I am not sure what to do here.
    Was what I did wrong? Maybe...but this little crime committed here is minute compared to the millions of other "wrongs" out there.
    Are you going to blame the poor man for stealing bread to feed his family? Damned if you and damned if you don't.
     
  50. slydawgg

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    You guys couldn't have said it better...I just got into Vanderbuilt and to be honest it wasn't b/c of my stellar achievements...My GPA was okay -about a 3.4 from a state school, my MCAT was a little below average - 27, and I'm not a URM. Not to gloat but I also spent my summers playing baseball on the Cape and hanging out on the beach while everyone else was doing research or helping the indigent...The one thing I had going for me was that a couple buildings were named after my Grandfather <img border="0" alt="[Clappy]" title="" src="graemlins/clappy.gif" />
     
  51. relatively prime

    relatively prime post happy member 7+ Year Member

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    Hmm... yes, I suppose comparing our wrongs to killing thousands of people in a terrorist attack would make us all feel a little better. :rolleyes:

    I can see we're not getting anywhere with this so lets just drop it... good luck in the rest of your academic pursuits.
     

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