publication?

[robocop1998]

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Hey,
Does if anyone know if an abstract received by an international conference count as a publication on AMCAS experience description? I also have two papers pending for publication. Do those count as publications as well? Thank you.

 

[robocop1998]

bump!

 

[Handy388]

I used them for publication and let them know it's just an abstract that's accepted.

 

[JLC]

no, a presentation is not a publication, even if the abstract is put into the symposium's program, I mean I guess technically it can be, but who are you trying to fool, these are PhD's and MD's who are looking at your application.

How far is the progress of the two papers you speak of? If they've been submitted then go ahead and list them as publications, just be sure to say that at the end of the citation (say its submitted and give a date or if its under review give a date when the editor sent you an update etc)

technically even something that's been submitted isn't really a publication, as its not 100% that its going to get published but adcoms will be more sympathetic (cus its alot of work to prepare a manuscript) and will prob review your app more closely. I believe Lizzy says not to list them but really its up to you, but again people who have been doing research their entire life will know the truth.

BTW are you primary author on these papers or abstract? if not speak with a softer tone, else whoever's first author on those papers would feel pretty offended

 

[robocop1998]

no, a presentation is not a publication, even if the abstract is put into the symposium's program, I mean I guess technically it can be, but who are you trying to fool, these are PhD's and MD's who are looking at your application.

How far is the progress of the two papers you speak of? If they've been submitted then go ahead and list them as publications, just be sure to say that at the end of the citation (say its submitted and give a date or if its under review give a date when the editor sent you an update etc)

technically even something that's been submitted isn't really a publication, as its not 100% that its going to get published but adcoms will be more sympathetic (cus its alot of work to prepare a manuscript) and will prob review your app more closely. I believe Lizzy says not to list them but really its up to you, but again people who have been doing research their entire life will know the truth.

BTW are you primary author on these papers or abstract? if not speak with a softer tone, else whoever's first author on those papers would feel pretty offended

thank you for your suggestion. The two papers are being prepared to be submitted for publication. Since I also receieved an undergraduate research grant, should I lump the grant, abstract,and the two papers pending for publication together and call it as "award"?

 

[blueskyline]

Your abstract is absolutely a publication, just not as highly regarded as papers in peer-reviewed journals. In academic CVs, people usually have a section for abstracts, a section for peer-reviewed articles, along with sections for book chapters and the like.

I would lump them only if you're pushing the 15-slot limit. I think it's a lot more impressive than people on here would lead you to believe. 🙂

 

[gopher22]

i'll agree with robocop and say, yes, it counts

 

[BluePhoenix]

No. Abstracts are NOT the same as a publication. If it hasn't been peer reviewed and published in a journal, it doesn't count. No, the "reviewing" for a conference is nothing like what they go through for an actual journal article. You can list it under posters and presentations if you want but it's not a "real" publication.

As for journal articles, they don't count unless they've been accepted. If you've only submitted it, you can always say that you've submitted the paper but that doesn't really mean anything...anyone can submit a paper and depending on the journal, your odds of being published can be as low as 10%...so you might want to hold off, it's always something to use in an update letter when they are accepted.

 

[GreenShirt]

Posters or presentations at conferences are accomplishments that could be include in the "activities" section. They're certainly worth mentioning but they don't qualify as "publications". The other thing you can do is send a CV with your secondary application and including a section for abstracts/conferences. It's a good idea overall to do this just to reinforce your ECs to adcoms.

 

[physic]

As long as you are very clear that this is an abstract from a conference then you should put it in as part of your research experience.
Many abstracts from major international meetings (American Transplant Congress) are published in journals as supplements (Transplantation). Papers in prep may stay unpublished for years...

Publications are not as impressive as you might think. Most of us on Adcoms are physician-investigators or physician-educators and understand the luck involved with an undergrad becoming published. A publication does not make your research experience better than another applicant. You may have been in the right lab at the right time. It takes two years of 24/7 lab time to develop an independent productive research program. The applicant with a Nature publication submitted three months after their summer internship is very lucky but not better than an applicant without pubs who has solid experience in research methods and critical thinking.