Questions to ask potential employers

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Sorry to open a thread about this but I vaguely remember seeing a thread sometime ago about good questions to ask employers while interviewing for an anesthesia job.

It's that time of the year again where hundreds of future grads are looking for jobs. I have a few questions in my mind but would really like to hear what the guys on the other side of the table think are good questions. I guess better put, some of you who have been practicing for X amount of years, if you were to move somewhere else and interview, what would you ask since you know what goes on "behind the scenes" and have experience with practice management?

Thanks guys for your help.

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Sorry to open a thread about this but I vaguely remember seeing a thread sometime ago about good questions to ask employers while interviewing for an anesthesia job.

It's that time of the year again where hundreds of future grads are looking for jobs. I have a few questions in my mind but would really like to hear what the guys on the other side of the table think are good questions. I guess better put, some of you who have been practicing for X amount of years, if you were to move somewhere else and interview, what would you ask since you know what goes on "behind the scenes" and have experience with practice management?

Thanks guys for your help.

Anesthesia groups have no assets, so why would anyone sign up for a smaller salary and more work? That might be understandable if the practice had assets like an office or equipment, but the only asset the Anesthesia group might possess is the contract with the hospital, which can be taken away in an instant by the hospital administrators.

The best situation is where you do your own cases and get to bill for them if you have to join a partnership you are very likely propping up someone else salary. You are getting paid less for doing more or the same amount of work as someone else for the empty promise of “making partner and finally getting paid “fairly and equally”

Unfortunately there are many bad partnerships out there. Places that will pay you little work you hard for three or more years without offering partnership then fire you and find a new graduate. Places where even when you make partner you find out there are two levels of partners and you are only eligible to do the crappy cases and get paid less.

You need to learn as much as you can about the group that you are joining, You need to go into that job knowing whether you will be offered partnership or be cast off like the last new grad they hired who worked for very little for three years and then got the boot.

Chesterfield lists some ways to look into groups to see how they plan to treat you.

You also need to look at the new section of gaswork.con. The “request for proposals” then “Search - Anesthesia Groups” which will show a list of most of the AMC you want to avoid. A number of the worst AMC’s are playing games with their names and trying to pretend to be a partnership group and to trying to hide their past from their new employees. So you need to figure out if you are about to join a real partnership group or an AMC posing as one.

The UPIN number info is getting old soon there should be a NPI look up site that hopefully will show some good information. This site gives some NPI info and other good directory info.

http://www.hmedata.com/npi.asp

If anyone know of other good physician directory information web sites please post them to help the rest of us.


You know the routine, Dress the part, be nice, don’t say anything controversial or negative. Pretend to be interested no matter how boring their endless discussion of their golfing skills is; don’t order a dish more expensive than the boss. Avoid messy dishes.

Keep a copy of every communication you have with the group. Record or immediately write a summary of all oral conversation with any group members.

Use this opportunity to investigate the practice. Before you go check out the hospital web site for the names of the Anesthesia doctor who work there. Your goal is to find the names of all the doctors who have left the practice in the last few years. Google all of those names along with the names of the corporation. Asking for this information from the group will get you labeled as a malcontent but to take a job with out an investigation the backgrounds of your employers is a recipe for disaster.

When you get there try to get as many months of the call schedule as possible. Old call schedules often have phone number of recently departed members of the group, plus they tell you how fair the call schedule is.

While you are in town go to the county court house and look up the names of all of the members of the group looking for lawsuits.

If your interview goes well and you are seriously considering the group you need to contact the people who have left to get the real information about how he group treats its employees.

How to find old employees of a group;

Look up all the anesthesiologist in that town with the state licence database,
http://www.docboard.org/docfinder.html

Look up all the anesthesiologist in that town with the AMA directory, ASA Directories for the last three or four years.

Look up all the anesthesiologist in that town with UPIN number search, great for towns with more than one hospital since it lists the billing address with the name separating out different practice locations.
http://upin.ecare.com/
or
http://www.upinregistry.com/provider_form.asp

Another good database dr-411 since it gives some info not seen elsewhere,
http://www.dr-411.com/default.asp


With all the names you have found you should be able to find a few former employees to contact about the group since this is your best source of unbiased information.

These databases will help you get current names and addresses of former employees.

Google is often helpful.

Searching for current phone number and addresses
http://www.zabasearch.com/

or your favorite directory search database.

Doc board is good for finding some one who has moved;
http://www.docboard.org/docfinder.html
which may give a current address.

If you have no luck you might want to invest a few buck and ask your local detective to search for people you can’t locate. They also can search for lawsuits more broadly than the court house.

Now call your names and politely ask them to tell you about there experience at your potential employer.

While this is just the basics, your hospital credential application probably will be ten to twenty pages of invasive questions, many of which will be verified. Why shouldn’t you know as much about your potential employer?

If you do not find any skeletons in the closet or areas of concern you need to find a competent lawyer and some trusted friends to look at your contract. Finding a lawyer who knows anything about anesthesia contacts is very difficult many attorneys will claim to be able to review a contact. So just because your buddy and fellow resident used that attorney does not say much about his competence in reviewing anesthesia contacts and providing relevant feedback.

Lastly don't ever buy a house until you have been there at least a year or made partner.
But don’t say that to the realtor they force you to take a “tour of the town” with, you can be sure that everything you say to her will funnel back the anesthesia group.
 
1. are there different levels of "partnership"? if yes, don't go , run.
2. are there senior or "founding "partners ? if yes , don't go , run .
3.can i speak to people who left recently ? if no , don't go , run.
4. did all the partners show up at the interview/ dinner ? if not , don't go , run
be very careful to commit yourself to a remote location where the group is the only gig in town , should things not work out you have no alternative but leave , and the group knows that...

do not , i repeat do not buy a house until you know things will work out !!!!
even then , things might change as your "partners" realize that you have committed yourself

you are truly a partner in the moment you disagree with your senior colleagues and they are willing to give in or at least meet you halfways.

these are the mistakes i made so take heed and good luck
fasto
 
Excellent post omegaman, thank you
 
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