Rank on MSPE letter?

[AnonymousDo]

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Hey guys,

So my MSPE letter has my clinical rank on there (top quartile) but not my preclinical rank. My preclinical rank wasn't great, like 53% and I was wondering if it's ok that it's not on there or if I should ask my school to include it. I'm applying internal medicine, if that matters

 

[funtertaining15]

Hey guys,

So my MSPE letter has my clinical rank on there (top quartile) but not my preclinical rank. My preclinical rank wasn't great, like 53% and I was wondering if it's ok that it's not on there or if I should ask my school to include it. I'm applying internal medicine, if that matters

Hmm. My understanding is that your final rank should be your overall rank, which would include your preclinical and clinical scores... At least that's what my school did. We had a rank after preclinicals and then the final one factored in the clinical grade, so we moved up or down.

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[AnonymousDo]

Hmm. My understanding is that your final rank should be your overall rank, which would include your preclinical and clinical scores... At least that's what my school did. We had a rank after preclinicals and then the final one factored in the clinical grade, so we moved up or down.

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Yeah I don't know why my school splits it up like that

 

[MSTPlease]

Sinai doesn’t have any ranking on the MSPE. Let alone the fact that I don’t see why your school would do something outside their policy, this works in your favor so I can’t think of any reason why you would ask them to do it anyway.

 

[Lnsean]

Hey guys,

So my MSPE letter has my clinical rank on there (top quartile) but not my preclinical rank. My preclinical rank wasn't great, like 53% and I was wondering if it's ok that it's not on there or if I should ask my school to include it. I'm applying internal medicine, if that matters

What are you going to do about it then...ask them to put the 53% in there? I say leave it the way it is.

 

[Raryn]

Some schools (not many, but some) include no ranks at all on it. Let your school do what it does. Chances are there's an addendum that you don't see that explains a hidden (to you) ranking system anyway.

 

[WiseOne]

I've noticed high-ranking schools tend not to have ranks or even AOA chapters. Lower tier schools more often purposely stratify their students it seems.

 

[MSTPlease]

I've noticed high-ranking schools tend not to have ranks or even AOA chapters. Lower tier schools more often purposely stratify their students it seems.

I think this is definitely the case. From the admin's perspective at top schools, ranking and AOA don't really add much to their top students but do great harm to the others. So by getting rid of them, yo do little to no harm to your top students and provide a great benefit to the rest. The lower tier schools don't have the luxury of their average student being sought after so they need to prop up their top students.

 

[CherryRedDracul]

Hey guys,

So my MSPE letter has my clinical rank on there (top quartile) but not my preclinical rank. My preclinical rank wasn't great, like 53% and I was wondering if it's ok that it's not on there or if I should ask my school to include it. I'm applying internal medicine, if that matters

It's up to you if you wanna tell the programs you want to match into that you weren't as good of a student during your preclinical years.

But why? This whole Match process is about everyone putting their best foot forward and trying to hide the mangled one behind it, applicants and programs alike.

 

[DrSnips]

I have not seen any MSPEs include ranks for preclinical years, most include an overall rank (though often through thinly-veiled code words rather than quartiles, e.g. outstanding, excellent, very good, etc.). A few schools do not include any ranks at all. Even without an overall rank, they do include the transcript grades and what percentage of your class got each grade (for clinical rotations anyway, I don't recall seeing this for preclinical).

Also, for what it's worth, I have never heard our residency admissions committee discuss a candidate's preclinical grades unless there was a red flag in them (e.g. had to repeat a course). That said, having spectacular preclinical grades can lead to being AOA, which certainly IS something we care about. Bottom line, I would not be worried that the overall preclinical ranking was not included.

I've noticed high-ranking schools tend not to have ranks or even AOA chapters.

When everyone's super, no one will be.