Regarding the DO vs. MD degree debate

Discussion in 'Medical Students - DO' started by DOPhD student, Nov 11, 1999.

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  1. DOPhD student

    DOPhD student Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    With regards to the on-going debate of which degree can best serve the interest of future US osteopaths, I invite you to vote with a simple "yes" or "no" without further explanation to clutter the board. Also, to keep this poll honest and representative of the opinions held by the osteopathic community, I ask that only DO students or DO physicians cast their votes.
    Question 1: Will you want DO schools to issue the MD degree to their graduates?
    Question 2: Will you want DO schools to issue the MD/DO degree to their graduates?
    Question 3: Do you think that further media campaign will do any good to improve DO's visibility in the future?

    Allow me to cast my first votes.

    1. No
    2. Yes
    3. No
     
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  3. rhillstr

    rhillstr Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    1. NO (Because we're not)

    2. NO (Because it's not noticed)

    3. YES (We've seen many things take off thanks to great marketing)

    Rob
    AZCOM 2004
     
  4. drusso

    drusso Moderator Emeritus Lifetime Donor 10+ Year Member

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    1. No.

    2. No--But I would open up GME for MD's who wanted to learn OMM and let them get board certified by the AOA. The MD's will certify us, but we won't certify them. That's not fair...

    3. Yes--but only marginally. I think quality research and quality graduates will do more for our profession than will billboards and slogans.

    Sorry, couldn't resist further clarification!

    --dave
     
  5. 2003

    2003 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    1. No, not instead of the DO
    2. Yes, I wish they issued both degrees for easier international acceptance
    3. No, not unless they hire Michael Jordan (for $$$) to do a piece
     
  6. prefontaine

    prefontaine Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    No, yes, no.

    Interestingly, the only DO school to 'jump ship' from AOA to LCME, is once again receiving media attention with another scandal.

    Here we are at the end of 1999 and the most famous DO continues to be Sam Shepherd (sp?), of "The Fugitive" fame.

    IMO, the unity campaign should be aimed at developing a dual DO/MD program. The CA podiatry school has developed a five year DPM/MD for the recently entered class. Of course, I do not see a DO/MD program being developed within the confines of the AOA. They continue to struggle to develop enough intern spots to match the # of graduates ea year. Raising the AOA schools to LCME standards is not within their (current) capabilities.
     
  7. Karl

    Karl Junior Member

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    See cliff's post below.

    [This message has been edited by Karl (edited 11-29-1999).]
     
  8. UHS2002

    UHS2002 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    1. NO
    2. YES
    3. YES
     
  9. Michael

    Michael Member 10+ Year Member

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    1. NO
    2. NO
    3. YES, but only in a movie or television type setting where the main character is a DO.

    [This message has been edited by Michael (edited 11-14-1999).]
     
  10. Matthew T Perry

    Matthew T Perry Junior Member 10+ Year Member

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    1) yes
    2) yes
    3) yes
     
  11. Paul's Boutique

    Paul's Boutique B====D 10+ Year Member

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    1. No
    2. Yes (likewise, an MD who's had the training should also qualify for the MD/DO or DO/MD thang)
    3. Yes
     
  12. mmaher

    mmaher Junior Member 10+ Year Member

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    No, yes, no -- We are Doctors of Medicine, and we are also Doctors of Osteopathic Medicine.
     
  13. richross

    richross Member 10+ Year Member

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    No.
    Yes. I like the idea of an OMD
    Yes. There is an awakening interest to allopathic alternatives.
     
  14. Karl

    Karl Junior Member

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    I've just recently learned that OMD is already taken. OMD = Oriental Medical Doctor
    I don't think I like it anyway! Sorry Rich.

    [This message has been edited by Karl (edited 11-29-1999).]
     
  15. cliff

    cliff Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    no
    no
    no......no, no,no

    This whining is stupid. It was acceptible before starting school and being clueless but it is not anymore. It makes you look unconfident about your carreer choice and selves. If you want an MD, go get one. If you aren't going to get the social recognition and do not want to continually be asked what you are - don't do it- walk away. Go to med school outside the US if you need to and then come back. You are going to be taught the same material. Love it or leave it.

    It pains me to witness this conversation. If you think the grass may be greener on the other side walk over. No is forcing you to become a doctor , hopefully. This med school thing takes way too much time and energy not to love it. Go and find out foryoursleves just how much greener the grass is, and grow up. Helping people is helping people. A long thoracic nerve innervates the serr. ant. m according to both MDs and DOs.

    No more of this please--- just look at our history - CA in the 60's.

    [This message has been edited by cliff (edited 11-25-1999).]
     
  16. grev

    grev Junior Member 10+ Year Member

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    1.no
    2.? I think something has to be done about the initials, it's insane that there is no 'M' for medicine considering that's what we do, we practice medicine, and go to MEDICAL school, there should always be a difference in the initials to account for our extra training, however.
    3.yes
     
  17. siulrc

    siulrc Member 10+ Year Member

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    1.no
    2.no
    3.yesssssss!

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    siul
     
  18. DOC-2004

    DOC-2004 Junior Member 10+ Year Member

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    1. No
    2. Yes
    3. Yes

     
  19. Gregory Gulick

    Gregory Gulick Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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  20. (1) No
    (2) Yes
    (3) Yes
     
  21. peiyueng

    peiyueng Member 10+ Year Member

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    1. No
    2. NO
    3. Yes
     
  22. UHS03

    UHS03 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    No
    Yes
    No
     
  23. amyb

    amyb SDN Moderator 10+ Year Member

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    No
    Yes - echo mmaher
    Yes - echo the part about if it is on television or movie etc.
     
  24. DoWannaBe

    DoWannaBe Junior Member 10+ Year Member

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    1. No
    2. Yes
    3. Yes

    I personally don't like the idea of DO/MD but for our people in the US (it's the quickest and financially cost-effective way to let our general public who we are!) and for those of you who are interested in international medicine, I think it's time to do so.

     
  25. sa1

    sa1 Junior Member 10+ Year Member

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    no...yes...yes
     
  26. Pikevillemedstudent

    Pikevillemedstudent Bengals Fan 10+ Year Member

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    no!...yes...maybe
     
  27. reed0104

    reed0104 Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    no
    yes
    yes
     
  28. Ronny

    Ronny Member 7+ Year Member

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    Interesting.
     
  29. dim sum

    dim sum Member 7+ Year Member

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    1. Yes, until we solve the problem that almost 70% of graduating D.O.s have to go to M.D. residencies (D.O. residencies could anly accomodate 30% of the graduates annually)and trained allopathically and thus would most likely to practice no different than M.D.
    2. Yes, same reason as above
    3. Yes, can't hurt to get your name out and make it a familiar to the public
     
  30. DOtobe

    DOtobe 10+ Year Member

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    1. No
    2. No
    3. Yes

    Why are people so hung up on initials???? :confused:
     
  31. San_Juan_Sun

    San_Juan_Sun Professor of Life 7+ Year Member

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    I'm hung up on initials because I crave respect from the lay person. There's nothing like the thrill of superiority that one feels when a commoner looks up in awe at the initials behind my name (nevermind that most have no idea what those initials mean).

    Just kidding. In the end, if you don't have the skills, the initials aren't going to help you.

    1. no- DOs are not MDs
    2. yes- especially for those DOs that do MD residencies
    3. yes- to an extent it will be helpful, although i don't want to see a campaign that is derogatory or divisive with our MD brethren
     
  32. DOnut

    DOnut Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    Wow, I never thought that there were so many people on the fence.

    1. Definitely NO

    2. NO (unless you are a foreign trained MD wishing to become a DO)

    3. Most certainly YES!!
     
  33. DOtobe

    DOtobe 10+ Year Member

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    :laugh: :laugh:
     
  34. roughgod

    roughgod Member 10+ Year Member

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    1. No

    2. Yes

    3. Yes

    :clap:
     
  35. DOnut

    DOnut Senior Member 10+ Year Member

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    For those who say yes to question #2 why?????
     
  36. djjj08

    djjj08 Senior Member 7+ Year Member

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    agree 100%
     
  37. Dr JPH

    Dr JPH Banned Banned 10+ Year Member

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    The grass may look greener on the other side, but it's still just grass.
     
  38. apgar7

    apgar7 Member 7+ Year Member

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    1.) No (the DO letters imply a specific approach to practicing medicine that is not necessarily implied in the MD letters)
    2.) No (we go to DO school to be DO's. And rarely do patients not know that DO's are a kind of medical doctor; after all, DO's prescribe medicines, do surgeries and walk around wearing white coats and stethoscopes, all the while calling themselves "Doctor". In the end, degree initials become invisible, so what would the MD title be doing for DO's?)
    3.) No (So far the majority of people have no idea what DO's are despite advertising campaigns--but hey, I'd more than gladly like to be wroing on this one)
     

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