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Rejected by 25 schools... What do I need to do differently when I reapply?

Discussion in 'Pre-Medical - MD' started by Honorguard65, Aug 10, 2017.

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Do you think I should hire an application consultant?

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  1. Med Ed

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    I don't agree with this. Being vague or seeming incomplete in the explanation of what happened does not diffuse anything. It engenders suspicion.

    Owning the mistake, in dry, thorough detail, can arouse sympathy. Being hard on yourself isn't easy, but if done right it can disarm your would-be critics.
     
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  3. Med Ed

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    Now you're getting somewhere.
     
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  4. premeds_r_dumb_123

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    Yes
     
  5. PreMedMissteps

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    The first part is fine. Volunteer.

    It's always best to put more time between bad events and another app cycle. The further away you are from those IA's the more it will look like youthful immaturity and recklessness....and now you've grown up.

    However, @hellobigcat to state that he'll "do well next time," as if it's a foregone conclusion helps no one. In fact, it's possibly misleading. None of us know what will happen next cycle no matter how much he polishes.

    I hope things work out for the OP.
     
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  6. premeds_r_dumb_123

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    That's what SDN is all about. Miserable premeds making people feel bad to make themselves feel better.
     
  7. premeds_r_dumb_123

    premeds_r_dumb_123 Banned Banned Account on Hold

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    What use is this comment? What benefit does it serve anyone?

    You're not pre-med, you're not an admissions officer, why are you even here? It would be one thing if you contributed well thought out and intelligent posts, but you don't do that either.

    Can we get a ban on this guy?
     
  8. RealityDream

    RealityDream 7+ Year Member

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    I see your point, but too many explanations can be interpreted as an excuse. What more can he say when telling the situation the time it happened? Doesn't it just involve what happened, why it happened, and consequence after? It could be explained thoroughly in like 1 paragraph, but not too many details. It just needs to be enough to paint a picture. The incident occurred over 2 years ago and since then his behavior has been controlled. There was no other incident for the past 2 years.

    The part that can arouse sympathy is him owning up the mistakes and explaining what he has done differently to correct his behavior. It also depends on OP's luck to see who is reading his file and if they're willing to give him a chance. Talking more about what he did to control his behavior to prevent it from happening again in the future will give him a higher chance of getting an interview than if he were to focus more on the details of his past mistakes.
     
  9. raiderette

    raiderette 2+ Year Member

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    Would you prefer we lie to him to make him feel happy, yet offer no advice to improve his application? I think that is called Reddit.
     
  10. Med Ed

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    The problem is that not everyone willingly explains the situation as it happened. At the risk of beating a dead horse, pretend you are an adcom reading the following explanation of the OPs first IA: "As a sophomore, I accidentally broke a glass pane in a door when I was opening it with my foot..."

    That language is copied directly from the first post. So, as an adcom, you will probably read this and think "Who the Hell gets an IA for accidentally breaking a door while opening it with ones' foot?" Perhaps it was an overzealous RA, or perhaps some salient details are being left out. If it were the former there would likely be some additional explanation, but since there isn't... hmmm.... what could have possibly happened to earn an IA for incorrectly opening a door....?

    Now, if someone were to say they had just had a fight with their significant other, and were trying to get from the dorm parlor to the hallway with two armloads of cheap beer and porn, and the friggin' door wouldn't open so they just lost it for a moment and kicked it, and it shattered in front of the RA, who was compelled to write the incident up, that satisfies. To that I think we can all relate.

    I actually think excessive emphasis on the corrective actions is a cheap misdirection.

    If I may ask, do you have any direct experience in medical school admissions?
     
  11. RealityDream

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    @Med Ed

    I think you misunderstood my previous post and I might have misunderstood yours too.
    I'm thinking OP's explanation can go something like this:

    First Paragraph: OP explaining his IA. If he uses descriptive languages to paint the reader a picture as if we're there witnessing the story, it can save alot of word counts.
    The only reason why I thought not to make it too long is to prevent the explanation from coming across as an excuse or boring. Just like you said, not everyone is willing to explain the situation like how it has happened. Adcoms probably knows this too. If that's the case, then wouldn't it be better to be short, direct, but mention only the necessary information? The other paragraphs can be about his reflection.

    Second paragraph can be something like he mentioned:
    Taken directly from one of OP's post. "... On a few occasions, I made really bad decisions that damaged things and hurt people. I 100% recognize that I screwed up and acted deplorably. I talked to the store owner after getting caught, and he told me how badly shoplifting hurts his business, and the gravity of what I'd done hit me like a truck. I can't take my actions back, and I am so full of regret because of them. I regret not only that I hamstrung my attempts to get into medical school but also, and more importantly, that I hurt the institutions and people around me. They didn't deserve that." This can be the first paragraph of his reflection.

    I like this response. It shows he regretted his actions after his incident so he is aware of what he has done, but only after he was caught. There was another post where someone pointed out they had a friend who kept stealing food at a grocery store and because she wasn't caught, she continued doing it. Now, if we were to apply this to OP's situation and say, if OP wasn't caught, would he continued doing this the second time? We don't know.

    Third Paragraph: Then, now what? Not knowing who OP is, how can I know his behavior has been under control? OP mentioned that he had no other offense for the past 2 years and his behavior was under control. Now, I'm curious. I wanted to know what did he do to control his behavior? This can be the second paragraph of his reflection.

    With any life situations, the past is the past. We're humans. Humans have emotions and they make mistakes. The most important thing is to look back at that past and reflect. Reflection is a key aspect of everyone's lives. It shows maturity and growth.

    This is what I meant by talking more about what he did differently to control his behavior. There are 2 paragraphs of his reflections vs 1 paragraph of him explaining his IA.

    To answer your question, I do. I think you do too, but like everyone else here on this forum, we're here to offer our opinions.
     
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  12. Lawper

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    Lmao I love the irony here. Also awesome to see two trolls getting smacked with the banhammer in a single thread. To paraphrase @Goro, the sound of the banhammer nailing trolls is music to my ears!
     
  13. sb247

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    The ego of not properly assessing the damage a theft on their record can do might have just cost the OP $200k. It's still risky to assume only "top mid tier" are needed
     
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  14. Med Ed

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    As I see it, the central issue is that when applicants err in writing these, they tend to err on the side of leaving out salient details in order to make the situation sound not as bad as it was. When that occurs and the infraction is serious it has a habit of backfiring. Also, it absolutely does not take three paragraphs to handle this explanation.

    I believe I have contributed everything I can to this thread, and probably a bit more.
     
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  15. cossackdoc

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    Does it really? Seems like the door-breaking and shoplifting are strongly correlated to the negative med school responses.
     
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  16. Lardy Boy

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    Skimmed it and did not read the post entirely. Mistake on my part. I agree that shoplifting is a big no-no on applicant's character
     
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  17. IlDestriero

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    I would bet it's your 3rd year theft. That's poor judgement after you've had some time to mature and presumably after you decided to become a physician. That's 2 strikes in one.
    Volunteer with the poor and underserved somewhere and aim lower.


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