Rejected from Case Western - then invited for an interview??

[firebird69guy]

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I received a rejection from CRWU about a week ago (via both email and snail mail). I figured this was due to my several community college pre-req credits before transferring to a university, and I know they frown upon that..


Then today, I receive an interview invitation from the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of CWRU.. The following is a description of the program:


The Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of CWRU (the College Program) is one of two educational programs leading to the MD degree at Case School of Medicine. The College Program builds on the strengths of two leading academic institutions in Cleveland - the Cleveland Clinic, one of the top five hospitals in the US with a history of excellence in clinical care of patients, medical education, and research, and Case Western Reserve University, ranked in the top tier among US medical schools for NIH funding and its educational programs.

In 2002, the Cleveland Clinic and Case formed an historic partnership to collaborate in education and research and create the College Program - with the specific goal of designing a distinct new program within the Case School of Medicine to educate physician investigators. Every aspect of the College Program - from admissions criteria and financial aid to curriculum, student assessment, student advising, curricular evaluation, the learning environment, and faculty development programs - has been specifically designed to accomplish its unique mission.

Students in the College Program have access to all the resources available to other Case medical students, and are awarded their medical degrees by Case Western Reserve University. Most of the College's teaching faculty are Cleveland Clinic staff physicians and researchers. Almost all teaching in the first two years occurs at the Cleveland Clinic, where the classrooms, student lockers and lounge, library facilities, and the medical education offices are in the Education Wing of the Lerner Research Institute, near research labs, clinical space, and offices of many of the faculty.

The Cleveland Clinic is just a mile from the Case School of Medicine, and class schedules for the first two years coincide, so that students from the College and Case's University-based Program can easily participate in activities on either campus. During the last 3 years of the College Program, students can elect their clerkships at any of the teaching hospitals in Cleveland that are affiliated with Case.


* Small class of 32 students a year with close faculty mentoring.
* Clinical experiences starting in year 1 integrated with basic science curriculum.
* Five year program with master's level research thesis requirement.
* Extensive research curriculum throughout the 5 years with hands-on research experience.
* Access to graduate courses during substantial time allotted for independent study.
* Students graduate with "MD with Special Qualification in Biomedical Research" from Case.


So.. why would i be rejected from the regular program, yet interview for this more intensive program? Can anyone share their opinion on this program and maybe whether you have heard of this happening before? I'm a little confused and had written off Case Western as a potential school to attend..

Thanks!!

 

[Nikki2002]

I received a rejection from CRWU about a week ago (via both email and snail mail). I figured this was due to my several community college pre-req credits before transferring to a university, and I know they frown upon that..


Then today, I receive an interview invitation from the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of CWRU.. The following is a description of the program:


The Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of CWRU (the College Program) is one of two educational programs leading to the MD degree at Case School of Medicine. The College Program builds on the strengths of two leading academic institutions in Cleveland - the Cleveland Clinic, one of the top five hospitals in the US with a history of excellence in clinical care of patients, medical education, and research, and Case Western Reserve University, ranked in the top tier among US medical schools for NIH funding and its educational programs.

In 2002, the Cleveland Clinic and Case formed an historic partnership to collaborate in education and research and create the College Program - with the specific goal of designing a distinct new program within the Case School of Medicine to educate physician investigators. Every aspect of the College Program - from admissions criteria and financial aid to curriculum, student assessment, student advising, curricular evaluation, the learning environment, and faculty development programs - has been specifically designed to accomplish its unique mission.

Students in the College Program have access to all the resources available to other Case medical students, and are awarded their medical degrees by Case Western Reserve University. Most of the College's teaching faculty are Cleveland Clinic staff physicians and researchers. Almost all teaching in the first two years occurs at the Cleveland Clinic, where the classrooms, student lockers and lounge, library facilities, and the medical education offices are in the Education Wing of the Lerner Research Institute, near research labs, clinical space, and offices of many of the faculty.

The Cleveland Clinic is just a mile from the Case School of Medicine, and class schedules for the first two years coincide, so that students from the College and Case's University-based Program can easily participate in activities on either campus. During the last 3 years of the College Program, students can elect their clerkships at any of the teaching hospitals in Cleveland that are affiliated with Case. Click here for a map including Case, the Clinic, and affiliated hospitals.


* Small class of 32 students a year with close faculty mentoring.
* Clinical experiences starting in year 1 integrated with basic science curriculum.
* Five year program with master's level research thesis requirement.
* Extensive research curriculum throughout the 5 years with hands-on research experience.
* Access to graduate courses during substantial time allotted for independent study.
* Students graduate with "MD with Special Qualification in Biomedical Research" from Case.[/SIZE][/B]


So.. why would i be rejected from the regular program, yet interview for this more intensive program? Can anyone share their opinion on this program and maybe whether you have heard of this happening before? I'm a little confused and had written off Case Western as a potential school to go to..

Thanks!!

damn--you go!! I'm from ohio and from what I've heard they are two different colleges, so yeah i guess you can be accepted to one and rejected from another. i heard that your tuition is completely covered in that program--VERY VERY prestigious program--it's the cleveland clinic for crying out loud! I would jump at this opportunity!

 

[theunderdog]

I received a rejection from CRWU about a week ago (via both email and snail mail). I figured this was due to my several community college pre-req credits before transferring to a university, and I know they frown upon that..


Then today, I receive an interview invitation from the Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of CWRU.. The following is a description of the program:


The Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine of CWRU (the College Program) is one of two educational programs leading to the MD degree at Case School of Medicine. The College Program builds on the strengths of two leading academic institutions in Cleveland - the Cleveland Clinic, one of the top five hospitals in the US with a history of excellence in clinical care of patients, medical education, and research, and Case Western Reserve University, ranked in the top tier among US medical schools for NIH funding and its educational programs.

In 2002, the Cleveland Clinic and Case formed an historic partnership to collaborate in education and research and create the College Program - with the specific goal of designing a distinct new program within the Case School of Medicine to educate physician investigators. Every aspect of the College Program - from admissions criteria and financial aid to curriculum, student assessment, student advising, curricular evaluation, the learning environment, and faculty development programs - has been specifically designed to accomplish its unique mission.

Students in the College Program have access to all the resources available to other Case medical students, and are awarded their medical degrees by Case Western Reserve University. Most of the College's teaching faculty are Cleveland Clinic staff physicians and researchers. Almost all teaching in the first two years occurs at the Cleveland Clinic, where the classrooms, student lockers and lounge, library facilities, and the medical education offices are in the Education Wing of the Lerner Research Institute, near research labs, clinical space, and offices of many of the faculty.

The Cleveland Clinic is just a mile from the Case School of Medicine, and class schedules for the first two years coincide, so that students from the College and Case's University-based Program can easily participate in activities on either campus. During the last 3 years of the College Program, students can elect their clerkships at any of the teaching hospitals in Cleveland that are affiliated with Case.


* Small class of 32 students a year with close faculty mentoring.
* Clinical experiences starting in year 1 integrated with basic science curriculum.
* Five year program with master's level research thesis requirement.
* Extensive research curriculum throughout the 5 years with hands-on research experience.
* Access to graduate courses during substantial time allotted for independent study.
* Students graduate with "MD with Special Qualification in Biomedical Research" from Case.


So.. why would i be rejected from the regular program, yet interview for this more intensive program? Can anyone share their opinion on this program and maybe whether you have heard of this happening before? I'm a little confused and had written off Case Western as a potential school to attend..

Thanks!!

i got my rejection the same time too.

did u apply to cleveland clinic lerner?

 

[firebird69guy]

damn--you go!! I'm from ohio and from what I've heard they are two different colleges, so yeah i guess you can be accepted to one and rejected from another. i heard that your tuition is completely covered in that program--VERY VERY prestigious program--it's the cleveland clinic for crying out loud! I would jump at this opportunity!

wow.. how did you hear this? I am doing all I can to research this, but since the program is relatively new, not much is available on their website from what I have found so far. The cleveland clinic is pretty well-known I presume? I am wondering if anyone else has recieved this interview invite, and approximately how many people they interview.. maybe I will call them tomorrow! Has anyone else recieved this email?

i got my rejection the same time too.

did u apply to cleveland clinic lerner?

I just selected just about every program in the secondary application since I figured it was worth a shot!

 

[firebird69guy]

my interview email discusses financial aid.. I doubt tuition is paid for!! =)


Would be nice though...


EDIT: Students pay 4 years of tuition and receive a research stipend for the 5th year.

 

[Nikki2002]

The cleveland clinic is one of the top hospitals in the nation--number one for heart surgery, if I'm not mistaken. Take my word for it--this program is a big deal--if you can get one of those 32 spots i would take it!

http://cms.clevelandclinic.org/body.cfm?id=465

 

[theunderdog]

hey firebird,

did u apply to both programs??

 

[firebird69guy]

The cleveland clinic is one of the top hospitals in the nation--number one for heart surgery, if I'm not mistaken. Take my word for it--this program is a big deal--if you can get one of those 32 spots i would take it!

Flying cross-country to interview for 1 of 32 spots? The chances seem slim.. I wonder how many people they interview? I'd be foolish to not interview though..

 

[Nikki2002]

Flying cross-country to interview for 1 of 32 spots? The chances seem slim.. I wonder how many people they interview? I'd be foolish to not interview though..

listen--they know you live cross-country--they like you. i would buy that plane ticket right now

 

[firebird69guy]

hey firebird,

did u apply to both programs??

I just checked my application. I used the iapply program to apply to both programs..

 

[firebird69guy]

Students pay 4 years of tuition and receive a research stipend for the 5th year.

 

[medstylee]

cleveland clinic (the "college program") is affiliated with case school of medicine, but the programs are completely different and their admissions are different. i interviewed at the college program last year but was rejected pre-interview from the university program. it's a really sweet program, but it's definitely not for everyone.

 

[firebird69guy]

cleveland clinic (the "college program") is affiliated with case school of medicine, but the programs are completely different and their admissions are different. i interviewed at the college program last year but was rejected pre-interview from the university program. it's a really sweet program, but it's definitely not for everyone.

what'd you think about the program, its competitiveness, and do you have any interview advice?

 

[medstylee]

the program is really awesome, if you're the type who would succeed in pbl and wants to do research in the future. i think, in terms of choosing who to interview, cclcm is looking more at the research profile and less at the numbers than case western.

anyway, my advice would be as follows:

- know ALL about your research. you're going to be talking about it a lot.
- ask the students you meet a lot of questions - it's a brand new program, and they're still tweaking things, so i'm assuming you're going to want to know how things are going
- you're going to walk a TON, wear shoes that won't kill you
- you talk for two hours straight (two back to back hour-long interviews), so try and drink some water in between. my voice was starting to go towards the middle of the second interview.

good luck.

 

[Seona]

One of my friends who got into CWRU last year (deferred a year for Fulbright though--so class of 2010) told me that their research program is definitely not as strong as their MD program. I am applying MD/PhD to a lot of places, so his comment was basically that if I will consider researching at CWRU (which to get my PhD, of course I will) , they will look more favorably upon my application (as in, it's almost easier to get in through any other route than straight MD). Has anyone else heard this?

 

[firebird69guy]

One of my friends who got into CWRU last year (deferred a year for Fulbright though--so class of 2010) told me that their research program is definitely not as strong as their MD program. I am applying MD/PhD to a lot of places, so his comment was basically that if I will consider researching at CWRU (which to get my PhD, of course I will) , they will look more favorably upon my application (as in, it's almost easier to get in through any other route than straight MD). Has anyone else heard this?

I haven't heard this, but from what I have been reading about the program, it is for people who want to have research skills as an MD, but not go the full MD/PhD. This actually sounds perfect for me, I'd like to see a match list or something but since the program is so new (2002), not much is known. I'm wondering if I would even take the same classes as the CWRU regular MD students; they make it sound very flexible at least.

 

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[Nikki2002]

Just curious... How does having the "top" hospital for heart surgery (is this another silly US News ranking??) have much to do with being a med student? I could understand if you were going for an interventional cardiology fellowship or something along those lines, but otherwise what would be the advantage?

Plus, you have to spend an extra year. It seems to me, someone who is that sure they want to do medical research would already have done a fair amount (otherwise how else would they know?) and would not necessarily need an extra year of intensive research. And if you weren't sure, you'd probably be pretty hesitant to go through such a program. Wouldn't a year or two doing a research fellowship after med school/residency allow for more substantial accomplishments and opportunities? It would seem like more bang for your time by going that route instead of spending a year in a master's program. There seem to be plenty of accomplished physician researchers out there without a masters. Am I way off base here?

I definitely see what you are saying. In my opinion, if you are into research (which they wouldn't pick you for an interview if your weren't) then this program is excellent--going to a med school affliated with a top hospital would probably help you a lot down the road, in terms of making contacts and getting competitive residencies. Plus, the small class size would be an advantage as well, in my opinion.

 

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